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No worries Kirin. rrohde summed it up nicely. As you've pre-ordered, your BM is secured. I contacted VKB for you and they confirmed the Black Mambas are under production along with the upcoming T-Rudder MkIV. Once it's done, your BM will be shipped. Hang in there! It's well worth the wait! (also: the Gladiators are coming ;) )

I should have missed that F2 TAS (also for the HDD - I forgot that). Thanks a lot. That will ease the tests. Maybe it's supposed to be useful (as a backup) for landing approaches or some similar low speed maneuvers ? Unless it's a mechanical/design precision limitation. Also I'm not sure about the emergency procedures. Maybe it's required to keep the speed below a specific value if the main navigation systems fail. (The Su-27SK flight manual should have some specific info about that) About ED: I asked kindly ;) but more importantly, they were kind enough to answer.

I had a response from ED about the instrument. Apparently, it's a "classic" turn coordinator with a 2-axis gyro showing an angular turn rate. They confirmed it should display the real bank angle at a TAS=500 km/h (sustained turn). Is there a way to display the TAS in the sim (I didn't check the F10/map view)? I'll try to test the instrument @ 500 km/h TAS using reference IAS and Tacview but it would be neat to have access to an ingame TAS.

Very interesting video and tests. Thanks! If it can fuel the thought and hopefully shade some light on this instrument, I found some descriptions about a very similar instrument, also using 45° max value for a reference speed of 500 km/h. The ЭУП-53 could be somewhat different from the one we have in the Flanker though. >>> ЭУП-53 @ Avsim.su (Brootle translate) (it describes it as a bank angle indicator (up to 45°) (угол крена до 45°)) >>> a bit more technical @ studopedia.ru (with a gyroscope diagram) >>> [ame=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emcz-o2Xydg]and a sloppy video demonstration[/ame] (difficult to see how it behaves with roll input) I was confused about the numbers on the instruments and the weird behavior, but a 45° turn rate would be unreachable with a Flanker. (thanks Rich ;) )

LAlt-9 only resets the autopilot, not the trim. The trim acts like a flight stick permanent default input correction. Once you've set the trim, the flightstick (and rudder pedals) will recenter in that corrected position (pitch, roll, yaw, combined) until you reset the it (but iirc the navigation autopilot will reset the roll axis trim - not sure). I don't know how real pilots use the trim during close range combat, but I'd suggest you reset the trim before a dogfight. The reason is your trim setting limits the axes manual range (in the opposite direction). (e.g. trim full pitch down = limited maximum pitch up flight stick (and control surfaces) range - with a flight stick fully trimmed to pitch down, you won't be able to reach the maximum pitch up capability by fully pulling the stick) The best way to get familiar with it is to test it. You can test the trim, the trim lights and the effect on the control surfaces and flight stick motion range, before take-off. Don't take my word for it, just go test it :thumbup:

Thanks ;) I read the same thing, so I guess that's it. I really don't know much about aircraft instruments and I remember I was surprised with that "bank indicator" behavior. Then I searched for some russian sources but I didn't find anything really reliable or easy enough to translate. Указатель поворота (from the russian manual) seems to also describe the turn and not only the roll "movement". And the ADI seems way more consistent with the bank angle (that was confusing). I also found some descriptions like this one: Указатель поворота — это такая стрелка, связанная с электрическим гироскопом, которая отклоняется в сторону в случае, если самолет поворачивает (заметьте, поворачивает, а не просто кренится, находясь в скольжении). А вот указатель скольжения – это слегка изогнутая стеклянная трубка с тем самым «шариком». По-английски этот комбинированный прибор называется Turn and Slip Indicator, что является аналогом русского названия. В разговоре и литературе его часто тоже сокращают до Turn Indicator, хотя указатель скольжения в нем, как правило, всегда есть. >>> Google translate. I assume the apparently inconsistent behavior might be due to the limitations of its gyroscopic nature. Similar intruments (without the VVI) are called: Электрический указатель поворота. I'm still searching for a clear explanation about how it works and what it shows. But bank indicator seems acceptable. Here are a few recent screenshots with specific discrepancies. (but, well, they told us it was an approximation ;) ) But who uses that part of the instrument anyway? :music_whistling:

Thanks, everyone, for revealing the truth ;) I never noticed that one. And thanks Hydrox for providing that excellent texture modification! It looks much better. I just dropped the texture in my custom cockpit textures (\Mods\aircraft\Su-27\Liveries\Cockpit_Su-27\…). That new feature is really neat for that kind of adjustments. You just have to modify the description.lua accordingly. As we are here, could you please help me verify how that turn rate should be read (yellow curved line)? If I'm not mistaken it should report the turn rate in degree(s) per second, from 0° to 45° (left/right) (15/30/45, per tick mark), for a reference speed of 500 km/h, is that right?

Yes, it's closing in ;) And I can already tell that Hav has managed the order beautifully, and he has been really helpful with the questions I had. (Thanks!) Sooner than soon™

For "ОБН", I think you're right it's probably used as a label. I'd go for "обнаружения" (detection/displaying). And I think I was confusing the displayed info with the datalink shared information on the HDD. Thanks for the correction. I should go test the different detection modes.

Thanks Ironhand! As it's going a bit off-topic, I'll try to add these information in the "instruments" thread. Also, remember ESAC_Mirmidon has been kind enough to share his impressive work on the Su-27SK manual translation with us. It's in Spanish but much more comfortable than the transcripted russian version and with many notes and pictures/videos (still available >>> here <<<). Are you thinking about the Б.Бой-Д.Бой switch? (it seems to be a weapons selection switch but I found very little details about it - could it be integrated with the sensors and the range scale?) Also, I don't understand that АЗ-Д-ОБН-АЗ-V switch. If I'm not mistaken the СЕИ-31 is the complete information display system (HUD and HDD mostly) and I'm wondering why there are two positions (azimuth-distance, azimuth speed) whereas we have all the information displayed simultaneously. Well, I'm lost ^^

Yes it's the PRF. (ППС = (HPRF) high frequency (forward hemisphere (hot/closing target)) (стрельбе в переднюю полусферу)) (ЗПС = (MPRF) medium frequency (rear hemisphere (cold/receding target)) (стрельбу в заднюю полусферу)) @Dudikoff: I think the weapons panel switches are detailed in the Su-27SK manual. I can't remember if they're similar to what we have in the Su-27S but it should be in the chapter 5.1.5. (book 1). I'll try to get my hand on the translation if I have the time, but I hope Ironhand will be faster than me ;)

Tricky questions, and, imho, most probably a simplification as our Su-27 avionics are far from realistic compared to the real thing (as intended for a Flaming Cliffs aircraft). Afaik, the scale display can (is?) controlled by the sensor mode (selected from the weapons panel (ОЛС/РЛС)). At least that's what suggests that description but I don't have the time to dig deeper. The knob karambiatos is referring to is right below the "mechanical devices indicator" (gear/flaps/etc.). It's only for the target size (cannon). I can't find any "scale" setting knob or rotary in the cockpit. But if I remember correctly the expected target relative altitude is also reset to its default value if you change modes (?). That one is a knob and should not reset that easily ;) Any reliable info about how it should work (even in the SK version) would be extremely welcome :thumbup:

Thanks for the details Rich! Isn't it weird that both extremities of the curves (0°/North) have different values? Shouldn't they be the same? ------- Nice work on customizing your cockpit with useful info, Hydrox :thumbup:

Based on the leather headtracking system I'd say it's definitely steampunk-y ;)

Thanks for bringing that up ;) КИ-13: АРК stands for Автомати́ческий радиоко́мпас (Automatic radio compass) (not sure but it might be the АРК-22 or anterior versions for the Su-27S (19 or 20?)) How should we interpret the deviation graphic for the instruments (Su-27 cockpit - related to Hydrox' attached picture) ? (deviation in degrees (-10 to +10) based on the heading?) (I know it's just a simple picture rather than a tool in the sim but I'm curious about how it's used by the pilots) [EDIT: I found some clues here (russian)]

By "long press" I mean, it would trigger a command after you've hold a button/key for a specific duration (e.g. 500 ms), and do nothing until then (or trigger another command below that duration if you desire). With the advanced command you can set the duration for a "hold key/keep the button pressed" behavior. The Macro checkbox records the delay between key presses.

Hi Lenux, I only use the X-55 throttle and you try a quick search with the forum tool, there are plenty of opinions about the Rhino. After one year and a half, I'm having some issues with some buttons and hats not responding when my throttle is roughly in the middle position - it's particularly annoying and absolutely not reliable. I'd say the build quality depends on your expectations and criteria. It's made of cheap plastics with a soft and comfortable coating. My throttle handle rotaries always had some ugly play - not enough to make them unusable but it still feels like they want to fall apart. On the bright side: there are many controls and the momentary toggle switches are very useful and still in perfect shape. The main thrust axes have 1024 positions (potentiometer) and the other axes have 256 positions and are not precise as they can oscillate between two values (=parkinsonian zoom view control). No idle and AB detents. Useless mouse nipple (not smooth and precise enough = no slew control with that one). The two hats are too close together and too fragile in my book of ergonomics (=not reliable controls) - even if they're very usable if you're careful. The slider is not a so-called-slider, just a toggle switch on/off (I use it for the speedbrake command - super-satisfied even if it feels fragile (plastic)). The push buttons on the throttle handles start to require some excessive force to trigger an input. It's good for the price range but don't expect too much. Based on my experience with it, I'd say it's not reliable enough for a comfortable simulation experience. Also: contact-less sensors should be the standard ;) The software could be better (lack some useful functions like a long press). (just my two cents, based on the unit I use) (and apparently, the reliability can vary from one unit to another)

Bon, j’en ai finalement commandé deux (pour un pote et pour moi). Je prévois une potentielle chirurgie pour ajouter des commandes (façon Frankenstein), si j’ai le temps. Ça n’arrivera pas avant quelques semaines. Si j’y pense, je passe faire un petit retour express.

If you need some tips for the software, there are some answers in the official english forums. Not everything, but it will probably be fairly helpful. About the ECS: I recently ordered two of them (for a friend and myself) and I didn't bother about the details, but I was wondering if it uses the VKB Device Config software to configure the buttons and modes? And about the throttle axis: is there any play between the two parts (handle and base), or is it steady?

That's an excellent idea! A functional helmet visor would be a fantastic addition. Lately I remembered the MiG-21Bis had such a feature and I started looking at the code but it's a simple color filter (so I didn't bother). Imo, with the new engine a proper visor should tweak the HDR effect, remove or alter the lens flare, reduce the sun glare and, of course, add a color tint (but that's probably the easy part). No idea if that's possible, but if Tacca is up to that task I'd gladly donate/support for that ;)

My H.U.D Test window also fails to differentiate left or right modifier keys but it sends the correct input to the sim (custom Su-27 profile). I never had your issue with the Test window failing to report a ShiftKey input though. I'd say it looks like a bug. Are you using the latest versions? I have the v7.0.41.10 software and v7.0.53.6 driver installed (Windows 10 x64).

Salut, Vérifie que ton Track IR est bien assigné dans les commandes (axes) (normalement il n’y a aucun conflit avec les commandes par défaut). Tu peux aussi double-cliquer sur la molette pour passer du curseur à la vue souris - mais ça ne devrait pas interférer. À tester - je ne me souviens plus trop du comportement par défaut avec le Su-25T mais je l’ai réessayé récemment sans rien toucher aux réglages du Track IR (j’utilise OpenTrack) et zéro souci. Pas de raison que ça ne fonctionne pas chez toi.

Salut et bienvenue ! Home/End = Début/Fin Toutes les commandes de DCS apparaissent pour un clavier QWERTY et se comportent comme si tu avais un clavier QWERTY (peu importe donc les caractères visibles sur tes touches). Tu peux tester la réponse des raccourcis en appuyant sur les touches dans la fenêtre des options/commandes (Controls). Si le raccourci est attribué la pression des touches mettra la ligne de la commande correspondante en surbrillance. Bon entraînement avec le Su-25T ! C’est un excellent appareil, très intéressant à piloter et il dispose d’un modèle de vol avancé très bien foutu. :thumbup:

Thanks for the details Laobi :thumbup: I recently used that trick for the L-39C with the flaps (flight/TO/landing positions) and the lights (off/taxi/landing). Very helpful!

Bump. I've ordered the lighter (wireless) model and I should be able to provide some feedback in a week or two. I'm already using a custom 3-points emitter with a modified PS3Eye, so I expect more comfort (I'm using a wireless headset but my emitter is wired), probably a wider emission angle and a sturdier build. Thanks for the opportunity HAV :thumbsup: