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I'm not butt hurt at all.. I've explained it by editing my last post.. and that's it. I can't help you understand it anymore from there. But you do seem to be missing context, and you were a bit presumptuous and continue to be by telling me I need to express myself further when I've gone out of my way just to make sure we're crystal clear on what was meant. Then WITH that very quote i'm asking for permission for, I'm still waiting for you to show me where you plug the sata cable into an m2 2280 sata III solid state drive. I admit.. that I was comparing ssd's in my initial post and that your comprehension level struggled with it. I'm sorry man. Just ask me next time.. no need to take me to grade school on a topic I'm already experienced with and tell me where I am what I know who i am and anything else you might have derrived based on a forum post that really isn't all that confusing taken in context of the thread, but I'd be happy to break it down to you like I would a 5 year old without much complaint if you ask nicely. But you're going to tell me what I meant rather than ask what I meant? You're going to then change the argument once answered to m2 and sata III are different when both can be found in the same device, that smells to me of someone who doesn't like to admit when they're wrong. Like pc building knowledge is some kind of competition. But you can stand corrected, and not have the expectation that I'm to cater to your idea that I need to respond to a post any differently just because you don't get it. Frankly, this is embarrassing, not because you've "proven me wrong", because I wasn't wrong. But because I'm still trying to get us on the same page when it seems to me like you're more concerned with having hit a homerun and winning an argument than checking your facts. The overall answer to your initial response to my post is "YES, i was talking about ssd's, and the topic was NVME VS sata III ssd speeds and the worth of the added cost for NVME in gaming" Read the thread..not just the responses imo. The conversation I was responding to was discussing the benefit of NVME vs SATA III solid state drives, and I think you got stuck somewhere. Form factor had nothing to do with it, and I don't recommend an HDD personally for anything other than cheap terabytes for storage these days. I'll confess you have no reason to know that about me, and I'm obviously more than happy to clarify, if mayhaps I wasn't all that pleased with accusatory statements, and a rant about the m2 form factor, when the terms I used were "sata III and NVME", being two different types of solid state drive that both run on the m2 form factor. Nitpicking a bit methinks. How is it my problem again that your take from my talk of NVME and SATA III, turned into m2?

*Edit* My last thought on the topic between myself and Der Hirte - Man, seriously, I'll be over this in about 30 seconds. I don't wish hard feelings. At the same time the misunderstanding seems to be on your part. Your inability to understand the context of my post in regards of what I was responding to and what was being compared does not equate to inability on my part. You could have simply asked me to clarify myself to you, and I'd have been a lot nicer about doing so. "You seem stuck in the past", to you maybe. The next post was from someone who seemed to understand what I meant. "he doesn't know the difference between an HDD or SSD" WHo me? Are you sure you don't have a little issue expressing yourself there? You focused on the term m2 throughout the rest of your response, a term I did not use once in what I typed. I specified NVME and Sata III. I'm not sure if m2 came from the youtube thumbnail or what, but m2 is simply a form factor, a connection type size and shape. I don't think it's that hard to see, based on the post I was responding to, and based on the post he was responding to, and based on the content of the youtube video that I was talking about the difference between NVME and Sata III drives, both of which are available in m2 form factor, both of which I have at least one. I have expressed that in multiple ways for you, and you seem to be demanding more communication that is totally unnecessary while continuing to tell me what I meant, rather than accept that YOU misunderstood what I meant. You proceeded to then to give me the quote above, which further indicates a problem of distinguishing M2 from NVME for you, because both NVME and SATA III are available in m2 form factor. Now if the mods feel the need to ban me, or delete my posts for what I've said to you today, I accept that. But your inability to understand that I was referring to solid state drive types is not my problem, and prior to your post, where you made presumptuous statements about myself, and others tried to clarify it for you already. "M2 are the cards which get installed directly on your board while a SATA3 drive you connect with a SATA3 cable and is not installed on the motherboard directly through a PCIe slot." <-- this quote from you seems to show a misunderstanding of the fact that NVME and Sata III ssd's are available in m2 form factor. In the past, and still in use today widely, 2.5" was the standard for sata III SSDs, required connection to your PSU, and had a "sata connection." NVME drives didn't have dedicated slots on the board either at one point, you had to use an expansion card and use a pci-e slot. Now, Both are available in m2 form factor. and when it comes to sata III SSD's m2 or 2.5" they will likely produce about the same results in stress testing. Both are sufficient for DCS World. NVME scores SO much higher in stress testing, for added cost, and not much practical sense in gaming. If that isn't enough for it to make sense to you, I'm sorry I can't help you.

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You misunderstood something, taken out of context because apparently tying multiple posts from different people on a subject is difficult for you, I have more than clarified what I meant and you are STILL FRICKING arguing. Let me tell you how much I care whether or not you understand me at this point. Doesn't seem like anybody else struggled with it. What's that say about you? And you want to continue to insult my comprehension? You have a complex sir. Please show me where you plug in the sata cable for that sata III m2 drive i've both linked and provided a screen snip of, with your superior understanding of human expression and technical knowledge. Have a good day. I'm done with this.

GO click the links at the bottom of my previous post, and look at the m2 form factor SATA III drive, and proceed to remove foot from mouth please. You are confused. Nobody's talking about HDD's but you, and the price discussion was related to NVME vs Sata III SSD's. Advice is still the same whether the sata III drive is m2 form factor or 2.5" either is good enough for dcs and you don't really need an NVME drive. While you'd like me to be wrong, I'm not. And before you call me arrogant again, if you're going to tell me I'm wrong in the future, please make sure you're right. Context helps..like try reading the posts prior, which my response was directed at where the discussion was SSD.. and aluminum donkey was talking about NVME drives vs sata III solid state drives, in a thread where it was already recommended to the OP he wants at least an SSD by bitmaster, which has been a general consensus of this community for well over a year now and in the recommended hardware for DCS 2.5. With ALL of that information the guys who responded to your response to myself, knew what I was talking about. Not a big deal, minor hang up on your part. Sorry if I didn't take too well to having to explain myself to you, being told what I meant, and also where I seem to be stuck, or what I do or don't know. But I know what I'm talking about in this instance. And I didn't just randomly come in and start talking about storage without context from the previous pages of the thread. Sata III NVME Both m2 2280 formfactor. They fit into the same slot. No extra connections necessary. NVME, m2, and 2.5" drives are all forms of solid state drive. Yep. I was comparing ssd's. I even own some. Personally, if I WAS going to use an m2 slot on my board though? It'd be an NVME drive. $127 for 500GB isn't all that bad vs the $70 i'd pay for a 500GB sata IIII ssd. Others might be more conservative. I've seen a hewlett packard 2.5" 500GB sata III ssd get as low as $50 USD. It's a good deal. Regarding SSD's, frankly it's hard to go wrong, but you can save a few bucks here and there if you look for sales and watch prices, which over all have lowered recently.

1.)The topic was SSD's.. because nobody's recommending an HDD for DCS. Context helps. Along with the youtube video linked comparing loading times between an NVME drive, and a sata III SSD. 2.) I never referred to anything as an "m2 drive". I was more specific. The youtube video linked the thumbnail shows "M.2 vs SSD" but if you actually look at the title it says M.2 NVME drive vs SSD Loading times. If you look up the devices used, one is NVME and the other is a sata III SSD. There is a price difference between NVME and Sata III SSD's, albeit it's less so than it was due to decreasing prices on the latest NVME drives. M2 can be nvme or sata III. Sorry that you seem to be confused. You will note I specified NVME vs sata III. I felt pretty clear about what I was referring to. There is no advantage for an m2 sata III ssd over a 2.5" sata III ssd performance wise they will be limited to the same speed even for file transfers, the only function is saving space and cable management. And there is pretty much no real advantage to using NVME over sata III for gaming, though it'll transfer large files with a trail of dust behind it provided, you're transferring to another NVME drive. But now I'm just repeating myself. I hope I've satisfied your misunderstanding of my post. Kind of feels like you were nitpicking at straws that weren't even there. Like bitmaster said..m2 refers to a form factor i.e. size and shape and connection type, not whether it's NVME or Sata III. Doesn't matter if the sata III ssd is m2 or 2.5", as they're different versions of the same thing 6.0Gb/s is still 6.0Gb/s and yes..likely priced similarly. NVME on the other hand does come with a higher price. Not one that really bothers me though however.. although someone on a strict budget may be more concerned about it. "Do I *NEED* an NVME drive for DCS World?" "No, but you probably want at least a sata III SSD." I'm sorry? Who doesn't know what here? Please tell me again how stuck in the past I am when the system in my sig contains an NVME drive, sata III SSD's and a sata III HDD. I think you're stuck on a misunderstanding of the m2 form factor. Sata III https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820250090&Description=m2%20sata%20III&cm_re=m2_sata_III-_-20-250-090-_-Product NVME drive https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147741&Description=970%20evo%20plus&cm_re=970_evo_plus-_-20-147-741-_-Product Man..look at that near $40 price difference for the same amount of space at the smallest capacity, because one shares a pci-e lane with other sata devices, where the other can use up to 4 pci-e lanes for redonkulous transfer rates, that unfortunately don't seem to really help with loading times in gaming.. and they both fit into the same slot!

Just looking at the population of people I personally fly with... it used to be 2 or 3 people had VR headsets... now it's we have 2 or 3 people who haven't yet gotten VR headsets but most of us are rocking it. VR for simming is pretty awesome. I fly with Aussies, lenovo explorer without controllers is likely least expensive headset brand new.. friend got a good deal on a used samsung odyssey he's waiting for. Another just pre-ordered a pimax but said it cost him a pretty penny in AUD. He's upgrading from a rift. Rift still a solid choice too. He said that pimax has sold like 8000 units so far. Doesn't sound like death at all to me.

0.o I mean.. wouldn't the answer be somewhere along the lines of, the same thing that happened to dual cores, or, pentium/celeron or..486, or 386.. commodore 64/tandy color computer? People will upgrade, buy a console, or find a new hobby. ;) https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3729544&postcount=1 I think I've seen it mentioned within that thread that the development team has some lower-end systems around as well, so I doubt they'll be completely phasing out quad cores with vulkan if it were released this year. No telling on that timeframe however. Converting DCS to dx11 was a 4 year ordeal if I remember correctly. 8th and 9th gen purchases for DCS alone should be based on clock frequency, 4.9ghz or above used to be a best case scenario, with newer hardware it's easier to achieve and best case is 5.1-5.2ghz. If you're playing dx12 games the extra cores are nice.

See now that you have me paying attention to it.. I'm putting my ear up against the computer, just on the desktop. There is a bit of a mid to high pitched whine sitting 3-5 feet away. It could very well be my EVGA PSU but for the life of me I can't tell as I try to put my ear closer to specific fans, as near each fan I just hear the lower rumble of air being pushed or perhaps the vibrations of the fans in the case. PSU is within an enclosure inside the case and I can't get my ear to the fan, but don't hear the whine when I put my ear at the back of the psu. Or any one fan lol. But its definitely related to airflow. Changing my h100 fan speeds and gpu fan speeds doesn't effect it. Fans for h100 radiator are pretty loud at balanced or extreme settings, but temps are fine at "quiet". GPU isn't that loud below 70% fan rpm. 70% or above, like I said.. airbase alarm, the slow speed when you first start cranking the handle lol. Default fan speeds you might never hear them. My custom curves are just aggressive. Leaving my pc running and my bedroom being across the hall, I can hear the airflow but it's white noise to me. Sitting here next to it, I hear the mid-pitched whine. I'm used to the sound of computer fans however and I didn't build for the least amount of decibels. If you plan to use headphones it might not be as big a deal. So maybe return policies are a good thing to check into if noise levels are of concern. In my case it's nothing that makes me unhappy with my hardware. Personally - I'm calling a slim chance you'll be buying a 2nd $1300 gpu lol. 750W should be fine with single gpu. EVGA psu i linked is a good deal for the remaining hours of that sale price but newegg has a restocking fee and you probably have to cover shipping to return within the 30 day return period after opening. Used to be easy to convince a rep to waive the restocking fee back in the day over the phone, but I'm not so sure about that these days as policies seem to have changed. So if the seasonic is known for being less noisy, and that's a big deal to you stick to your guns. EVGA customer service wins me over at the pricepoint of the sale though. Also noting that the EVGA psu has "eco" mode via a switch on the back, the fan won't spin unless the psu needs it with it on.

I'm pretty sure my case and radiator fans make more noise than my EVGA PSU. And while nowhere near as loud as previous generations, especially blower designs.. just wait til you spin those 2080Ti fans up to 100%. I mean.. no where near as annoying as a hair drier but I can hear it through my headphones when things get quiet in game. That being said.. my gpu hardly hits 50C, and I'm running at 100% fan speed by 45C with my custom curves. You can probably get away with lower RPM. In another sim I fly.. there have been times I thought it was an alarm going off at an airfield. *Edit* Forgive my editing lol. I can get carried away on the topic of hardware.

9600K for all practical use and purposes in gaming is probably the best bang for the buck from intel right now. 9700K is more up my personal alley, Sillicon Lottery stating as of Feb 6th 35% of their samples hit 5.1ghz or higher, might still require an AVX offset of 4.9ghz or lower however according to tom's guide, and even if you don't win the the lotto the company is named after, it's pretty much guaranteed to be able to handle 4.9ghz on all 8 cores. And in some dx12 benchmarks I'm seeing it has a bigger performance gap with the 9600K (not a huge amount) than I'm seeing between 9700K/9900K. 9900K, purely bragging rights. But it isn't up to me how other people spend their dough. With ryzen 3000 around the corner, I'm not sure I would go this route even if I shopped for bragging rights as opposed to clock frequency and core count. Although the thought has occured just because it's compatible with my z370 board. >.< Ultimately not worth it for me. I mean I made a 2500K last me until 2018 and paired with the 980Ti i was using with it, it's still a capable gamer in most cases below a certain resolution. my 8th gen is going to be with me for awhile. On that note, however - if 9th gen had been available at the end of 2017 when I was building, I'd be rocking a 9700K and z390 board right now, just because newer hardware is likely to receive driver support further into the future. Also personally, the 850W Gold rated EVGA psu for $20 more than the 750W seasonic choice is worth it in the US. EVGA has solid customer service. I'm not saying seasonic doesn't. But I know from personal experience EVGA USA tends to be on the ball should you encounter problems with their hardware within a warranty period, as well as the choice of purchasing optional extended warranties that also adds the option of having replacement hardware cross-shipped. I've never purchased the additional coverage, I've only had to have a video card replaced once, I used an older card for about a week and a half maybe two and I live on the other side of the country from EVGA. Pre-paid shipping labels provided. 24/7 phone service. In the US we're lucky to get a return policy from a retailer, though most offer a "protection plan" at additional cost. Barring that we deal directly with the manufacturer. Best Buy's protection plan is pretty awesome if you have a store near by. Other than that I stick to manufacturer's warranties.

OP could save $270 with a 9600K, or at least $110 with a 9700k. OP has shown interest in games outside of DCS World and there are quite a few titles out there that DO utilize DX12. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817438018 ^^ this 850w Gold rated power supply is $120 for the next 19 hours, fully modular and backed by a 10 year EVGA warranty. Just price point alone is a winner in my book. Jump on that before the sale ends imo. That and backing off to maybe a 9700k is like $175 saved vs 9900k and his current choice of PSU and should be more than enough to keep him more than happy with dx12 performance as well as DCS now and whenever vulkan comes. Then there's this "future proofing" concept... any of the three CPU's plus his other hardware selections can potentially last him 3-5 years maybe longer. At least that's been my experience in PC building when choosing the most recently released parts. If the OP is shooting for the best hardware he can buy and can afford to do so I'm not sure what people's criticism of that comes from as long as he's happy with it. 9600K, 9700K, 9900K, he's liable to be giddy like a school girl when he gets this thing put together. Or maybe that was just me when I finally finished the rig in my specs ;)

I could be wrong here but a game "loading" involves many files that might not be all that large in size, which limits the speed a drive can access the files. Now if you were say, transfering a 50-100GB file from one NVME to another NVME, it would smoke the speed of transferring to or fro sata III. I've had video projects that can get this big. If I was doing it for a profession and had to back up my work alot, NVME speed could be a time saver. I can't speak for DCS but looking at most games, 1 sec difference isn't that much to be excited about. Still.. I agree on the price point.. 970 Evo Plus can be had for $127USD for 500GB. Can't say I feel bad about that, even if I can get a 500GB sata III for like $70 or sometimes even less. I paid current NVME prices for each of my sata III drives years ago when they were new. They were on sale lol. We can thank Western Digital for driving samsung to lower costs and increased write speeds with the new WD Black drives.

Sound's like you've got a plan. :) Hope you love it when you get it all put together.

Being an avid gamer myself with admittedly too much free time on my hands.. highly introverted and swore off cable television years ago, my PC is my home entertainment system. 257 games on steam, EA/Origin Premier access and a couple titles I enjoy playing through battle.net DCS with all the maps, and in my case most of the modules can take up to 130GB (not per module, DCS as a whole) DCS + 1 modern title can easily eat half of a 500GB drive. My two 480GB sata III pny ssd's are quite easy to fill up and most modern titles come with a 20-80GB download these days. Personally, I'd rather have higher capacity sata III ssd's than a lower capacity NVME drive. In most practical use you aren't going to see the benefit of NVME over sata III, with NVME offering almost no benefit to gaming over sata III. In that regard, if you're concerned about saving $$$ a 500GB sata III drive would help there too. But it's hard to go wrong here. Cost of even NVME drives aren't that bad. The beauty of a desktop being that things like video cards and storage are easily replaced/upgradable, and you might be able to sell whatever you upgrade from to help with the cost factor. You can always just add another drive up to the limit of sata connections on your motherboard later if you feel you need more storage. I'd say your build looks good. And by the time you recover from the expenses you'll probably have had quite a bit of time to enjoy the new rig.. and I'd wager it'll last you long enough to have gotten your money's worth from it. P.S. I'm loving my XC Ultra, but that black edition is still a 2080Ti for a few hundred bucks less. Most people probably wouldn't even notice the difference between the two performance wise. XC Ultra gets a bit more headroom for overclocking with a 130% power target, but that's if you win the silicon lottery.. and the difference is still negligible. Just food for thought, as you seem content with shooting for somewhat higher end hardware.

I can't answer your question, but an experience comes to mind on my last rig in upgrading from 8gb to 16GB of ram, and my 4.5ghz OC on an i5 2500k became unstable. WIthout much thought I bumped the cpu vcore somewhere between .05 and .15 and system became stable. Completely different scenario, but I'd try it with ram set to xmp and see what happens. Shouldn't hurt. Ruling out of course any seating issues with the reseat. It's a long shot, given this isn't a change of hardware but idk. Just came to mind when i read it for some reason. Sorry if it does nothing, as to damaged components, would be beyond my knowledge to know how to determine, beyond testing each stick individually, which could take a long time with 8 sticks >.< The only time I know for sure I had component damage was with an i7 920's memory controller being fried in a lightning storm/power surge/outtage and that sucker just failed to boot period. Would turn on and right back off.

Thankfully the DCS: F/A-18C hornet manual even states in most cases whether 3 position or 2 position switch. And I count 40 inputs as well including both rotary encoders. UFC alone would have need of 33 buttons including rotary encoders + push (or pull if pull exists, but that detail won't bother me too much) and 3 axes, with the Hud control panel taking another 7 buttons and another 4 axes. with the hatswitch being in addtion to 32 input signals, I can probably get away with using one BU0836X for the UFC, and a second for the Hud control panel, which leaves room for more buttons/axes to play with. Sounds like more than I actually need at the moment but I think it's going to work. Now I just have to go about figuring out my enclosures, and start ordering switches button and knobs, connectors, wires and all the fun stuff. With that not only do i get jhmcs but I can add universal knobs for lights and such, and either a button/switch box. I'm liking it.

Brun your UFC is magnificant. Unfortunately a bit more than I'd like to pay for the parts @ shapeways though. I think what I'd really like to do is hopefully a simpler enclosure with the dimensions of the UFC height and width, as I'm going to mount mine to my obutto revolution steering wheel plate set vertically, likelly with a layer of wood to mount my MFD's too as well. I'm tempted to put the buddy fox a-10C UFC above as well. I'm kind of hoping for "one usb controller" to rule them all in regards to the UFC, as it stands I have a boatload of usb peripherals plugged in via powered usb hub, and continuing to add to it just seems like a cluster**** waiting to happen. But it'd be nice to enclude a pot for the JHMCS. Gear lever, master modes and what not are easily handled by my g13. The ufc however I'd like represent what I'm looking at in VR. Thanks for confirming how rotary encoders will function. So each channel selector basically takes up 3 buttons. I wanted to make an F/A-18C/F-16 hybrid UFC but ultimately think the bug's UFC covers my needs for both, as well as gives me some extra axes for the only other combat sim I fly from time to time. By the time I finish this thing, I should never need to grab my mouse while in the air lol. ^^ is this something that is "easily" achieved so to speak? Sounds like the best option for a single input device. Honestly 64 buttons sounds like plenty, given I can have 8 axes. 32 might be pushing it close, as I want to include the switches at the bottom of the UFC as well. I have to sit down and count everything on the UFC again. I've never made an input device so this is definitely going to be a learning experience for me. In searching for which usb controller to buy, looking at teensy, arduino, and bodner I'm having trouble finding a simply put answer as to how many supported buttons and analog axes. At least I get that I'm limited to 8 axes and can work with that. My knowledge of this stuff is limited but I think if I can determine which specific board is best suited to my purpose, determining which wires need to go where is something I should be able to figure out, as well as programming the inputs. Deriving the limitations of each board through the technical data specs has me stumped, however, and I think that's probably my first step in tackling this. But if two usb connections are a must I will go that route. I guess that would allow for a little more creativity and the addition of more of the front panels if I chose to. I'd probably be better off making my own account on forums related to the boards, but was kind of just hoping someone could offer a nudge off the top of their head lol.

Thanks sokol. This is purely going to be a DCS gadet, although I guess it could be useful in other sims for extra axes/buttons. Just looking at the hornet ufc it has 9 total knobs.. so I might have to forgo one but it sounds like I should be able to fit all the toggle switches and buttons on to one. I guess I just need to figure out if rotary encoders send button signals when turned, and purchase an adequate MCU.

So, I've had the TM cougar mfd's sitting around awhile.. and in deciding how I'm going to mount them to my obutto I also want to take on the project of making my own F/A-18C ufc. So I'm hoping someone with more knowledge than me can help me out here. I do not need digital displays or anything as I fly in VR. I just want buttons in front of me to push instead of reaching for my mouse, But I'd like to include all dials knobs and switches. So I'm having trouble figuring out a few facts I'm probably going to need to make this work, out of all the usb controller board options out there, what is the maximum number of axes and buttons I can have for one input device? I'm sure that's limited by directx but could anyone point me to a board with the most? and clarify what my maximums are there? Also.. is there a certain range of potentiometer I should be looking to use? for say the brightness and volume knobs? And is a rotary encoder with a push button going to work for the COMM select knobs? AFAIK in-game and irl they turn continuously with no end in either direction right? If there's a no solder method.. I'm interested in it. If anybody can point me to switches, pots, and rotary encoders, and buttons that allow for screwing down connections, if they exist, that'd be a great help. I'm in the US if anybody can point me to the best places for parts.

Ryzen supposedly cares more about ram speed than Intel would. Some sticks of ram are purportedly designed to work better with amd over intel and vice versa. For the least concern of stumbling into issues with compatibility make sure your ram is on the memory compatibility list at this link. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC#support-mem-14 And you want to make sure to click the "Memory by Rx-2x00" Pinnacle Ridge compatibility category. Faster should be better, how much I'd have to do some research to get an idea of.. but I'm seeing a difference of about $20-$30 between the lowest cost of either speed. CAS Latency might be another factor in cost.. lower = faster in regards to CAS latency. Can't say it will make the biggest difference but you can probably find threads from ryzen users on the subject if you search. *Edit* just double checking myself (i tend to do so) and I"m not sure if there's another pro carbon than the model I listed. If not you might want to double check your model number and find it on that site.

I've commited to keeping my msffb2 plugged into my usb hub at all times, and I break out the warthog stick when I'm flying jets and need more buttons. Otherwise yeah.. I use my msffb2 for prop planes..as well as helicopters for force trim.

I could see it adding to most of the games I play, but yeah, with future hardware. There are definitely a few where it wouldn't matter at all. Maybe 5-10 years from now. But ray-tracing perfromance is pretty much what I expected it to be like after the launch announcement. We're not there yet by any means imo. Still..more titles to adopt the tech to come so, we'll see if anybody else makes it work better.. I think that's going to take more of a ground up approach though, and still, future hardware.

Welp.. I don't need my own thread for DLSS based on my experiences with BFV. lol. It's pretty unimpressive. For some reason they locked it to only work with ray-tracing. And in some instances, lowering my resolution to 83% without DLSS enabled actually looked slightly better, and pretty equal performance if not slightly better. . Both looked worse than my native resolution. But pretty much in line with dude's thoughts from the video i responded to in my previous post. This still leaves the quesiton of DLSS 2x and the effects it might have on traditional performance and image quality. And still no way to test that. But frankly.. so far, even with both ray traycing and dlss, they should not be a reason for buying a 20 series gpu. I do see 2060/2070 as decentmid-range options for now, but not for RTX features. I'll quit bugging you guys and ED with the thought of dlss unless nvidia actually impresses me in this regard. lol. Nvidia's got some work ahead of them .. and while the ray-tracing thing is honestly kind of impressive from the perspective of the fact that it was "impossible" before now, and the reflections and shadows in a not so highly ray-traced game do show potential for something kind of awesome in the future.. it's going to take future hardware and cooperation from the development community to take it to a standard. I've stated in other threads that I see the 20 series as kind of a hybrid, with enough CUDA cores and speed to keep me satisfied with the performance of the 2080Ti for some time to come..and a taste of potential tech. Benchmarks I'm seeing put the Radeon VII quite close to the 2080 and 1080Ti performance wise neck and neck @4k in some titles. 2080Ti is still kind of hold on to the performance lead, but $500-600 more? ehhh subjective. Not for most people. 3440x1440, or 4K? Ehhhhhh well you're obviously not shy about throwing money at hardware. Mayyybe, if you're unsatisfied with your performance with what you're using now and aren't starving anyone. I saw some things watching benchmarks that might indicate the need for driver optimization on AMD's part and they might get more performance over all out of it yet. But the Radeon VII is rivaling the 1080TI and 2080 very closely at the moment. That being said - looking newegg I'm seeing RTX 2080's for $699. It's going to be very interesting to see what AMD does for 2019. Seems nvidia, in trying to prep the world for ray-tracing, has allowed AMD to catch up.. and I'm currently way more impressed with that than RTX features lol. Especially given that they're putting it to intel as well with the upcoming ryzen 3000.

again.. find DDU from guru3d and run it in safe mode. It eradicates anything nvidia from your OS and windows registry. . Reinstall latest drivers. Express install from 417.35 has likely caused issues. There are threads of people experiencing the same in other games. 418.91 was released today as well. Also ensure "Prefer maximum performance" in the power management settings of nvcontrol panel for dcs.exe.