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True. The value is in the conversation we are having and the input of others.

Well the LFDM server has bomber interception missions, convoy attack and anti shipping missions. It's the most popular at the moment. That sounds like using WW2 assets to properly use your planes. You take as much fuel as you need for the mission, just like real life. You are not flying from England to Germany so you are not going to take a lot of fuel. I would argue the storm of war server is better but people don't fly on that one. My guess is because the 109s don't have MW50 making them unable to compete agiants the spitfire 9 without blowing their engine. At the end of the day I think you will find that people don't want to be cannon fodder. Realism is great and can work depending on the period and plane set you choose. Single player/coop is different of course.

I guess it depends on how often you use the module, what kind of flying you do and how long you fly for. Death on gear up landing is a 100% known issue for one(effects the FW190D9 as well). The P51D engine has a tendency to stop without warning, especially after using WEP. I was consistently getting engine failures recently until I started manually operating the oil radiator. I tested the P51D WEP ages ago to find a reliable way to use it. I never found a way to use WEP without the chance of engine failure. It takes to long to test these things. I already have a day job. I want to enjoy my spare time. But I still care so I mention it on the forums. Maybe someone else can figure out what the problem is.

When did I claim I had hard evidence? I have better things to do then to bug test modules in DCS. That's why I have posted here and not under bugs. I am simply talking about what I think is an issue from my experience. Time will tell if I am right or not.

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Nope I simply identified that the FW190D9 can't dogfight and that it seems to be performing worse since the last few updates. Please point out the part where I said the FW190D9 should fly like a spitfire. I just want DCS WW2 to be viable. People are not going to fly DCS WW2 over other Sims if the plane set is not very good.

Yeah because we know the DCS modules are 100% accurate. Like how you have to open the oil radiator on the P51D manually to stop it from overheating. Or how your engine instantly stops without warning when flying on a cruise setting in the P51D. Or how the pilot dies when you do a gear up landing for no apparent reason. DCS is great but it is not perfect nor will it ever be. But maybe it's worth looking into some potential performance issues with this plane. I mean the MW50 in the Dora was broken for like 3 years or something stupid. Was not fixed until the FW190A8 was released. I would not be surprised if something was broken.

I out turn 109K4s quite often but that does not mean the P51D turns better it means the guy flying the 109K4 has a lot to learn about his plane.

Nope just a competative aircraft match up. I really think the Germans only have one good plane, the 109K4. Which is not good because they never made many fighters. They only really have the FW190, 109 and the me262. The rest are large fighters like the ME110. But I believe the FW190D9 used to be better. I just think it really does not fare well after the last few updates. It really can't dogfight the spit 9 or P51D in my opinion. I mean it's kind of sad. I have not seen a FW190D9 do well in a dogfight in so long. Maybe 1 or 2 years ago I had some good fights againts the FW190D9 where I lost. Now days when I see a FW190D9 I am disappointed because it's going to be a boring fight. I either shoot him down or he runs away before I get close.

I make a thread talking about how the FW190D9 is not competative vs the P51D and your conclusion is that I must have trouble fighting againts FW190D9s? That's the complete opposite of what I have said. I am not happy because the FW190D9 is to easy to defeat in the P51D. It is forced to run away! I have done many 2v2 fights of P51s vs Doras. It does not matter who is flying the P51s always win. I have both planes. I don't know where this idea of yanking the P51D has come from. Why would you need to vs the Dora? You want to keep your speed up as high as possible so you can chase and shoot it down when it inevitably runs away. You seem offended.

It can run away from spitfires easily of course but I am talking about the P51D. Also those spitfires looked like they did not know what they were doing. It seems like they are blind. One of them ripped thier own wings off. If a competent P51D showed up the guy in that video would be dead. Sure the FW190D9 can boom and zoom but so can every other plane in DCS. That's nothing special. Other planes can do even better. If a spit dives on a FW190D the Dora is as good as dead. If a Dora dives on a spitfire the spitfire can very easily do a reversal and be on the offensive forcing the Dora to run away. Same with the P51D. It makes for boring and annoying gameplay. It's not fun to dodge a 190Ds attack and then chase them for 5 minutes. Then when you break off, they turn around to try to get a cheap shot on you. You evade them and chase them again, break off.... repeat. Very boring regardless of what plane your in. It's even worse in the D9 because if a P51D gets close to you it takes to long to extend away(if you are able to at all) and you will most likely be shot down(unless you are able to absorb all the P51Ds ammunition and still fly to base). People complain about how good the 109K4 is but honestly if the Germans did not have that plane dog fights would be non existant. It would just be allies hovering over german airfields because the Germans would not have a plane that can dogfight.

The oil did seem to be what increased the most.

I don't have the motivation to bug test this module but I do want to talk about concerns I have with this module based on resent experience. This plane used to be able to gain an altitude advantage and/or extend away from the P51D relatively easily but now it seems to struggle. I know two other people who have noticed a loss in power during flights in the Dora and one of them tried to figure out why. They have told me that the radiators don't seem to be opening fast enough and the engine is overheating. They said this can be avoided by manually controlling the radiators when needed. The P51D has a similar problem. You have to manually open the oil radiator to keep the temperature in the green or your engine will seize. The auto oil radiator does not keep the temp in the green. But maybe this is how its intended to be. Maybe to push the Dora to its limit and pull off aggressive vertical maneuvers you have to manually operate the radiator to keep the engine tempts normal.

I personally find the 109 the easiest after the P51D. For some reason the FW190D9 bounces and flips if I hit the smallest bump. The Dora also stalls really easily. The hardest thing about the 109 is using the wheel brake to keep it strait on take off. You use a lot of rudder and aileron as well but its not so bad if your easy on the trottle. Apart from that it is easy to taxi with the tail wheel locked and has no trouble getting off the ground The spitfire is a pain on the ground but if you can keep it strate it takes off and flys really easy. It is also easy to land with the flaps basically being a big air brake. Don't know about the 190A8 because I don't have it. But I would assume it flys better then the heavier Dora. The I16 is a pain on the ground but easy once it's in the air. I find it a bit tricky to land as well. It's an old plane. The gear has to be raised and lowered by hand and it can't be trimmed. So my order from easy to hard would be: P51D 109K4 Spitfire FW190A(just a guess) FW190D I16

I think what's happening is that the the radiator flaps are opening but are too slow. Therefor the engine is over heating and taking damage unless you open the radiator manually.

The FW190 and spitfire were constantly being improved to compete with each other. We have the spitfire 9 which was the British counter to the FW190A8. So of course the A8 does not do well. But we also have the Dora which was what the Germans did with the FW190 to make it competative again.

Well DCS has a better flight model and looks nicer in my opinion. But the IL2 developers have been making many improvements and have built an entire new theatre(gone from eastern front to western front). In the same time frame we are still waiting for a damage model, for existing bugs to be fixed,WW2 assets and performance improvements so that we can have a viable WW2 experience in DCS.

Sounds good. I still think something is not right with this module. I know a few people who have also noticed a loss in engine power in the Dora. Don't know what is causing it to happen.

It's a good module for sure. Of course it's not going to fare well vs the spit 9(which was developed specifically to counter the FW190A) and the P51D. But with a good wing man I'm sure you can make it work.

I agree that the A8 does not stand much of a chance in a dogfight BUT nothing wrong with trying. It's still a very good aircraft and who cares if you get shot down. Just respawn and try again. I think it would be great if flown with a wing man. If you try to get an overshoot with scissors a good pilot is going to high yo yo above you and you will be stuck with low energy below them. Or they can just lower their throttle, sit behind you and shoot you all day(I do this in the P51D to A8s all the time).

It's going to be used as a fighter as well and there is nothing that can compete againts it. I personally don't want to see meteor jets, Griffin spitfires and 75" P51Ds to compete vs the 262. That would mean the german piston aircraft would have no chance. Those are the aircraft people will be asking for to provide adversaries for the 262.

That's called a 109G14.

Interesting, may I ask how you are able to easily defeat spitfires and P51s in the FW190D9? Because all I see is FW190D9s either being shot down or running away. Of course you cant pull as much as with the spitfire or P51D because those planes both turn better then the FW190D9.

109G6. Yes, cant wait to club some helpless G6 seals in spit 9 and P51D. :D You cant run, cant turn, cant climb or dive away mwahahaha. Easy kills

It certainly feels that way. Since the asset pack was first released in its unfinished form ED have released the F18 and F16. Maybe we will see the Super carrier as well before we see an assets pack update. Fingers crossed that we will see a series of WW2 updates in quick succession. Maybe this year could be a good year for DCS WW2? We could have the damage model, assets pack update and P47D. We could be lucky and see a WW2 Marianas map and F4U corsair as well? We can only dream. :)