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Bumping this up, since it's still broken in the August 11th open beta patch. Iceman can't execute simultaneous heading, altitude, and speed requests. He stops one to do the next, and then stars flying around like he's drunk, unable to hold an altitude or a speed.

It's been a thing since before this patch. Looks very strange, agreed.

You can only do it with sidewinders.

It would make sense if the paddle disabled roll only, but I can't think of any reason to use the paddle with the way it currently works.

It can break them out if you get close enough. See below a video where I'm tracking two Su-27 that are in a combat spread with 1nm separation. TWS breaks them into individual contacts at 25nm. This new RADAR behavior was introduced in the same patch where the F-18 got it's RAID improvements, so I assumed it wasn't a bug but a feature.

Have you tried any of the audio overhauls? I've heard good things about this one, but I don't know if they've reworked the gun. https://official.echo19audio.com/downloads

Exactly. Not sure where the extreme disdain is in this thread is coming from.

That's weird man. The new AP is definitely more specific, but I use it multiple times on the daily.

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A lot of comments in here did not age well.

Lighten up man. Is this a discussion forum or a shut up and fall in line forum? I know maintainers and pilots who've told me they can feel the effects of air/enviro and bypass systems in their airframes, admittedly not F-14s.

Can you link me to any former F-14 crew telling cool stories about canopy pressure bottles or how they out flew their opponent by going on a diet? It's not feature creeping. We have stories of pilots using these zone 6 tricks in training/combat. They are part of the lore and mythology of the Tomcat. One of those tricks, the mid compression CB is one of those tricks already in the sim.

I understand that it's small, but I also know it's not zero. The laws of physics say you can't do work without energy. We may not have numbers but we know it's not zero, which is how it's modeled in the sim. You say you have SMEs that have claimed it's inconsequential, ok. I have no leg to stand on except for the video I posted and other similar stories from Tomcat aircrew. Once again, saying that it's not a good idea to overheat the avionics in combat is missing the point. I don't know why you guys keep bringing that up.

Nobody is suggesting turning off the air source at fence in and leaving it off for an extended period of time. Think more along the lines of disabling it while in the up hill to get every pound of thrust possible before coming over the top of an aggressor F-16 and then turning it back on before trigger down in the down hill. Is that going to bust the WCS and turn the cabin into a convection oven? If so, then that sounds like more than a miniscule energy pull.

Fair enough. Really, that's all you need to say. It's a more constructive reply than saying "we haven't modeled it because we believe the stories are an embellishment and we don't think it would be a smart thing to do in combat", which quite frankly is missing the point.

Just to be clear, I'm asking about air source not mid compression bypass CB. To confirm, it is modeled? If so, what is the best way to measure it?

Oh it is modeled? Why didn't you say so? How can I measure its effect?

The goal is to simulate reality right? In reality the air source would slow down the jet. Am I wrong? I don't understand why there is a resistance to model this? What if I'm just in a free flight, have no need for a gun or a WCS, and I just want to see how fast I can go? You think it's silly to turn off air in combat? Ok, fine, that's your choice to leave it on.

I mean, my car gets hot when I'm driving up the hill with my AC off too, but I turn it back on when I get to the top of the hill. It doesn't take 10 seconds of thinking to do it. We have stories of real pilots doing it, not sure what the problem is. Embellished maybe, but fabricated? I doubt it. And it just makes sense from a physics standpoint. Cooling the cabin and avionics and enabling the gun is work. Work requires an energy conversion. Energy can't be converted without friction, etc. The air source set to something other than off should slow down the aircraft to some extent and I'm just asking if it's modeled. I guess the answer is no.

You wouldn't think so. Then again, my car can barely get itself over a steep hill if I have the AC on. The real world F-14 pilots used these tricks for a reason. And it would be fun to have a reason to use the air source controls in DCS for some reason other than setting and forgetting during the ramp start.

You can begin entering them right away AFAIK. I haven't had problems doing it that way, and Jester does the same. I've had problems entering the navgrind YY during alignment, but it's possible I had something hooked that I wasn't supposed to. Mistakes are easy to make in the back seat.

In Ward Carrol's live stream for Snort he mentions "zone 6" air source off between 20:20-20:50. Is it possible in the sim to squeeze a little more juice from the engines with air source off? I've tried it a few times and never noticed a difference.

I've definitely been getting more micro pauses lately. My game pauses for approximately 10-15 frames and does so about once every minute or two. Extremely annoying. But I don't fly anything other than the Cat these days so I'm not sure if it's a Tomcat problem or a DCS issue.

Here's a video from 2 months ago. You can see Iceman executing course, altitude, and speed requests from the Iceman menu at the same time. In the current build he stops the first action you requested to perform the new action. It makes it inconvenient to practice back seat stuff, to say the least.

Positive. I've spend dozens of hours, (maybe more), practicing BVR in single player from the back seat.