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Could it be contained within some other tactics or employment manual? The instructions are quite specific (not a side note) and also the manual itself is from 1990, since the MiG-29 were bought in 1986 it went trough few revisions for sure. I find quite different behavior then 'standard' western 'Fox 1' expected behavior.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3986611&postcount=1 Check under 2. I added pictures there explaining the issue.

I will leave this here: "Capt. Mike McCoy one of the 510th FS F-16 pilots that flew against JG 73 MiG-29s, the most impressive aspect of the Fulcrum’s performance for the American pilots was its low-speed maneuverability combined with its helmet mounted sight system. “In a low-speed fight, fighting the Fulcrum is similar to fighting an F-18 Hornet, but the Fulcrum has a thrust advantage over the Hornet. An F-18 can really crank its nose around if you get into a slow-speed fight, but it has to lose altitude to regain the energy, which allows us to get on top of them. The MiG has about the same nose authority at slow speeds, but it can regain energy much faster. Plus the MiG pilots have that forty five-degree cone in front of them into which they can fire an Archer and eat you up.” Not currently the case in DCS... so we need Full Fidelity to truly get everything out of Fulcrum...

I have one question regarding R-27R... According the Yugoslav Army Pilots manual VTU- 01.VTUP.001/01.0. for the L-18 (MiG-29 9.12) on the page 094 section Aim and launch of Guided Missiles it gives a strict and bolded warning rough translation: WARNING: IF AUTOMATIC TRACKING IS LOST AFTER LAUNCHING OF MISSILE R-27R ON LOWER DISTANCES ENERGETICALLY TURN TOWARD THE TARGET TO SECURE ILLUMINATION IN SEARCH REGIME. EVADE OUT OF ATTACK CONCLUDE AFTER DESTRUCTION OF TARGET (picture bellow, the manual is from 1990 and declassified) Unfortunately I haven't be able to find the same warning in Russian manual do to my limited knowledge of Russian (sorry again I am working on improving it) The question is does that mean that at lower range (manual doesn't specify it unfortunately) that R-27R should still be able to guide out of limited radar energy of search mode as a back up? Also to be clear re-locking and entering automatic tracking in case of target loss is covered by other paragraph

Any red for plz... Fulcrum or Flanker plz

Official module would be great, I hope you are able to make that step! Best of luck!

Excellent! Thank you! it is much appreciated!

Hello, I just wanted to check fix for this bug will be included in R-27 CFD update? https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=253434 Thank you in advance, and sorry for English, it's much better then my Russian.

+1, any version will do!

<64C>Fox MiG-29A

I do agree with Chizh that it should lose the auto tracking after sometime as is now, but I think that main issue here is this bug: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=253434 that even if you go over the limit for less the second the missile is trashed since it will just make a sudden and unexplained turn thus making the hit impossible.

Eagles interfere with them-self all the time... that is why the channel switch is there in the first place. Migs also have frequency presets need to be set before flight with number of peacetime frequencies and 2 wartime only. That is made clear and set in stone in planes manuals. Back to the bottom line, none of it is simulated, and would also probably need a quite substantial CPU load to do... so don't expect it.

Please read again, no one said power ISN'T the factor, it is and one of the main ones... but not only one... there are inherent difficulties between finding a target and tracking a target and no one said Eagle radar isn't more powerful and sophisticated... the best analogy here is two artillery pieces of 155mm or even 203mm vs a 122mm one.... does 155mm have big shell with more explosive and bigger range and almost all advantage... yes it does... but if both are in range and 122mm starts firing first is still can have effect and cause difficulties... there isn't a straight forward as 155mm always beats 122mm . Just to be plastic and clear what I am saying: - Eagle still has all the advantages - Eagle has more powerful radar and better - Fulcrum doesn't NOT have a Ray Gun that destroys the Eagle radar - Does Eagle potential have difficulties locking on Fulcrum if Fulcrum has him in STT, yes it DOES - Are there ways around those difficulties, yes there are - I didn't comment Yefim's claims at all and feel people are reading too much in to them - Radar power is not be all and end all in this situation that is why both planes do have contingency in place to switch modes etc... And to repeat the bottom line: -Lot of system performance (RWR, Radar, Missiles, CMs....) for all aircraft are a lot more reliable in DCS then in RL, a lot of it has to do with the limit of what is and what can be simulated.

I am not sure I get the argument this and this sells better. Yes, viper will outsell everything, but also it requires a substantial effort due to complex systems and their integration trough DEDs UFC and MFDs... complex pod and X*2 amount of different weapons... etc On the other hand making a Fulcrum basic pre-select radio, single radar display with limited options, 3 nav point INS, and 3 preset CMs is way way less effort... and with excellent 3D model, animated cockpit and PFM they are already more then halfway there... the Viper would sell 10x more but is also 30x the time and effort to build and the community is craving for a 4th gen RedFor Fighter. Also we should stop the self-defeating attitude of it can't be done, its not on us as community to say what ED can and can not do. On us as community is to ask nicely and politely and sooner or later we shell receive.

Although the power plays a big factor, here the more important is who attains the first lock, since cuing a radar and pointing that power gets a lot more complicated with interference... Generally a lot of system performance (RWR, Radar, Missiles, CMs....) are a lot more reliable in DCS then in RL, a lot of it has to do with the limit of what is and what can be simulated.

<64C>Fox F-86

Once Aim-120 done, is the R-27 family next? Thank you!

:( :( :( :( :( No love for Red Air...

I love the self defeating attuite of the community... who are we to say if it is or isn't a bug... ours is only to say "ED fix that, it means a lot to us"

Make it a module I will buy it!

Yes it is a well established fact and yet we have instruction in MiG-29 manual that instructs the pilot that on the loss of track at shot distance, to energetically turn the plane towards the target to secure illumination in SCAN mode. Since apparently SCAN mode provides enough energy to guide R-27 at short range... so don't stick to well established fact that much...

The correction information is added to the half cycle of the radar wave that has been established, unlike AIM-7 that requires separate hardware that is turn on launch. One SARH not necessarily equals other SARH operation And of-course R-27 is tuned on the rail, but is tuned to the same thing, no reason to have it different things to guide the same rocket. Point when is the information added is disputed (some say on STT, some say on launch, and I am sure you have your opinion.) if on STT -> not launch detection, if on launch -> launch detection. Captain Scott Speicher clearly didn't know he was launched on by R-40. The Su-27 family has a wide array of radars, some of them quite differ from the N019 so for sure some version can be told apart, but for the late 80's versions we have currently in DCS I highly doubt.

Although the 27 and 29 don't use the same radar... the wave that radar emits is exactly the same, for a quite oblivious reason, it is meant to guide the same Missile, the R-27. That is why RWR can't tell them apart, the wave itself only differs in signal strength due to Sukhoi having a larger antenna, so the correct behavior for RWR would be different position for the 29 mark for the Su-27 and MiG-29 which are at the same range. For the primary topic, the launch is very much a thing for SARH SAMs and the Aim-7 (additional antenna and wave on launch) that quite detectable change the wave pattern, its again that the waters get muddier for soviet missiles. Namely lot of things for Soviet SARH AIMs (R-3R, R-24, R-27...) point that guidance information is added to the wave on STT lock ( NATO doctrine of '80ies to treat STT as Missile Launch, no way to force 'fake' launch in the Soviet manuals for test or training purposes, instruction to relock STT if target dropped, indication there is no change in wave for R-3R guidance) but I haven't be able to find a concrete diagram to show one or the other. Again ED probably has more exec information, or due to the SARH implementation being rather old in DCS it might as well be that 'one size fits all approach' has been used.

Ok, thank you for the information, I am really looking forward to the updates.

Hello, is there any more exact time-frame for the R-27 CFD update now that we are in February?