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Stuff that's confidential, what's so difficult to understand about all of this?

For 18 months the statement was the same, and when there was something to share, they shared it, so where's the sudden flipping ? I think you'll find that their statement was more along the lines if we have something to share, then we will, they did, even if it was more forced due to Ron once again using social media to put out information that was designed to make ED look bad. Why hasn't Ron Zambrano himself not explain why they rejected the agreement and broke the confidentiality clause that went along with it ? You keep saying you have no Bias, even Stevie Wonder can see you're 100% not impartial. I don't need to hide mine, I actually do believe that less said soonest mended and keeping to the statement is the correct procedure, but I'm also no fan of Razbam's CEO, 95% of his 3rd party guys are gleaming though, but Ron's business decisions in the past are one of the reasons guys here dislike him. Nick grey doesn't escape criticism either, but at least he's actually stuck to the narrative for the past 18 months, and when he felt compelled to dislcose the "settlement agreement" he did, he threw that ball right back at Razbam..... all I hear now is crickets from Razbam. I doff my cap to you with this one, as it's a great post.

Neither side holds any moral high ground. However one has remained consistent to their statement, the other side keeps throwing kerosene into the fire, in the hope that the more people who get burnt will flood the hospital that they start supporting the kid standing there with the box of matches. !!

No, they're just holding the hostages instead !!

Try reading the first page, and the first page of every time this situation has produced a new thread, you haven't been kept in the dark, you just choose to have your head burried in the sand, instead of actually accepting what's been told to you repeatedly now.

Wow .... you completely misinterpreted what Nineline said, he wasn't making fun of loosing modules at all, he was making fun of Beirut and his comments with regards to demands, because to be blunt, making any sort of demand when you can't comprehend what's said on the first page, deserves to have the piss taken out of it.. it's self entitlement on a grand scale.

Remembet a couple of years back if you had a 1080Ti you could run everything on max and get good FPS ? And now the entry level card is more closer to being a 4060 and get the full potential of the game, you need a 5080 ... and throw in the cost of wanting the best optics, the Pimax Cristal.. you either had to upgrade or get left behind, well it's pretty much the same for modules. I had several Razbam modules back then, on a 1060, they ran fine, but the core game has advanced to much, even my 4070 struggles at times, either I upgrade and keep things the way I want, or lose out on the potential, sure the loss of 3-4 modules is not what anyone wants, but neither is having to pay for newer systems at 10 x the price of a module, every 18-24 months just to have solid eye candy and FPS, sometimes you need to put things into perspective. I doubt anyone is running DCS on a windows 7/8 machines these days.... the software evolves, which means consumers have to as well.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Thats how business's act never mind people, they put their own interests above others. ED put their own interests above others Razbam put their own interests above others

And the Garage didn't break them either.

Sounds a lot like buying a car, then leaving it in the garage for 10 years and expecting it to work as it did on day one, then after 10 years of depreciation decide that because you never used it, expect to get the same value back...

Broke the confidentiality clause that went along with the said agreement on at least 3 occasions since late 2024, on at least 2 occasions by Ron Zambrano himself.

Why would the imminent release of the AI A6E Intruder by heatblur be effected by any Razbam shenanigans?

Look like 2 quotes were merged, but just one response, apologies, not directed at your comments, but Alejandros

I keep reading and hearing about this word "Promise" can someone please point me to the official statements from either side that contain the word "Promise" please. I promise my girlfriend I wont spend money on DCS modules again, but do it anyway... promises can be empty, nothing legal about them. face value etc.

We're blessed to have so many legal experts who enjoy flying in DCS...where would be with them, and the self entitled consumers too... ? And in the mean time, Razbam modules are still very much enjoyable.

You missed out the part where Razbam, or parties thereof have already on at least 3 occasions in recent months breached the confidentiality clause that was allegedly part of said agreement, twice by Ron Zambrano himself. Personally I don't wish to see Razbam go out of business, but can they afford to write off what's owed to them by ED? Both parties need to be sat at a table and force fed shyt sandwiches by their customers until both agree to end this situation and get back to making great modules

The Facts are on the first page, why do you always dismiss those ? and cherry pick the stuff Razbam released believing those to be factual ? Since you seem to believe Razbam in all of this, and try to come across as some sort of SME when dealing with contracts, care to explain why Razbam on at least 3 occasions since the agreement was allegedly signed late 2024, broke the confidentiality cause that went allong with said agreement? Razbam have leaked everything, including the C&D letters from ED, and yet, never leaked the actual contracts signed... why do you think that is? Why did Razbam not seek legal guidance from the beggining, instead use the court of public opinion? Not once has Ron Zambrano put his hand up and apologised to his customers aknowledging his wrongdoings You state you don't know the contents of the contract, yet you cosntantly comment as if you do.. You speculate every bit as much as 99.999% of the people here, and I include myself in this group. There's not much factual truth to your post either. FACT Razbam broke their contract FACT Razbam were issued cease and decists FACT Razbam breached the confidentiality clauses (on more than one occasion) FACT Razbam clearly did not accept the aggreement and continue to use the community as their weapon(s)

The honus is also on the 3rd parties to not break contracts and NDA/Confidentiality as well, it's a two way street.. Also to add Don't use the community as a weapon, use your legals teams, like most companies do No winners here...

You mean one side kept to the confidentiality clause and the other didn't and somehow you think the side that broke the agreement is in the right here? And where is the word "promise" in that sentence you highlighted?

Clearly you dont. What part of confidentiality, especially in business don't you understand?

I'm also wanting to know who Killed Jeffrey Epstien, but I'm not likely to have that information disclosed to me. There's no such thing as a safe module, or any other software, nobody can guarantee this, nothing even in life is guaranteed, except death and taxes, not even the mighty Bill Gates, with his windows upgrades... expectations v's reality can be brutal.

It is if there's a confidentiality clause in place. I hope you're also holding Razbam to the same standards with regards to accountability and as to why they decided to break the agreement, and the confidentiality clause associated with it?

What makes you think this hasn't happened? Razbam products were more than likely before this course of action took effect. What makes you think that this isn't one of the reasons the agreement that was supposed to have been put in place end of 2024, and Razbam have said get lost? I'm more inclined to think that most of the Razbam modules were contracted prior to the sharing of game files came into effect.