Landing,what am i doing wrong.

When i land on the runway i sometimes over shoot the runway by sometimes meters other times by loads.

Full air break and i holding down w all the way down the runway, sometimes a stop just in time, Maybe all my breaks are not working or perhaps i need to bind all my breaks to w?.

I land around about 160-180 knots with full flaps, i am going in to hot?.

You should land with air brake at 40%. Yes you are landing too fast. At 35,000 Lbs your approach/touchdown speeds should be 130/120 kias.

See chart in post #8 of this thread: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=84739

Lightly loaded you don't even need to use wheel brakes!

Cheers

You are landing 20 to 40 knots higher than you need. Landing speed on the A-10 should be around 120 ( depending on weight, heavier= faster) Try creating a mission with no weapons nor equipment and only carrying 2500 pound total and just do patterns over the base. You should cross the runway threshold at about 120 and touching down at about 115 or less. Try t keep the nose up after the main tire touch and hold the "speed brake" switch to open. I hope this helps

Yep, your going a bit fast.

A good way to get your approach speed right is to fly according to the AOA indexer. If the green circle is lit, your ok. Speed is around the 130-140 mark. Aim for a 3 degree decent, and aim for the beginning of the runway. Flare a little bit, do aerodynamic braking, and put the speedbrakes open all the way. As the speed comes down hold the nose up, untill it tends to drop down. At that point ease the nose on the ground and apply little braking, and more if required. Follow these steps and you'll stop the a-10 with full payload and fuel with ease.

I land around about 160-180 knots with full flaps, i am going in to hot?.

That's pretty hi speed. Maybe, if you have plenty of ammo and gas left, that would be kinda OK.

Do you monitor your AoA indexer and indicator?

EDIT: got sniped...

LOL we all snipe each other :D

LOL we all snipe each other :D

Not the first time, or the last... :mad:

:D

Wow all jump in at the same time lol, i like.:lol:

Yes i use the AoA indexer and indicator you say about, i never get the green circle because i always thought i was going to crash going to slow.

Well i learn something new every time i open up this sim.

 

Yes i use the AoA indexer and indicator you say about, i never get the green circle because i always thought i was going to crash going to slow.

 

You won't crash, just slow down a bit and you'll be OK.

Thanks for the quickest replies in history.

I gave rep to all of you,:thumbup:.

Also, remember to begin your approach far enough from the runway, so that you have more time to align yourself properly and reduce speed. And if the airport has the ILS system, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't use it, even if the weather is clear :)

You could also try holding the nose off the runway after landing to aero-brake. And as I understand it, you shouldn't be using the wheel brake except possibly at the very end of your roll-out--just use the entire length of the runway to slow down.

Edit: also deploy full air brakes after touch down.

Edit: also deploy full air brakes after touch down.

Yes, and you only get the full air brakes if you have the weight on the wheels.

Anyone know what the proper pitch for maximum aerobraking? I know if I go over 10 deg, I'm dragging my tail, not exactly aerobraking. lol. I try for about 6 degrees, but I'm wondering if there is a "sweet spot".

Thanks,

Don't bother, just use the airbrakes open to full (they will only open to 100% on the ground, so deploy to full once landed).

I never Aerobrake. Like GG I just put the speed brakes out at 100%, throttle to zero, and intermittently use the brakes. Always works and never go off the end of the runway no matter how short the field.

Put air brakes at 40%?? Is there a means to check the percentage the brakes are open/closed? If so, I suppose I overlooked it in the cockpit/manual.

I have always "felt" my way through opening/closing the air brakes, or "cheated" by using an external view to make sure they were fully open or closed.

Though I don't recommend my method to anyone, I usually come in a little hot and then fully open the air brakes, sorta timing it so I will be at proper speeds when my wheels touch where you see the landing skid marks on the runway. I seem to have it worked out so that I do not damage the aircraft and make a good landing more often than not, but I would prefer turning landing into a more exact science, or at least a procedure...especially when crosswinds or missing chunks of Hawg are making things a little hairy.

Edit: I guess I began doing this because the AI wingman likes to kill us both upon landing if we kept formation up to landing procedures...if I beat him to the runway and get the heck out of his way survival chances greatly increase. I could always let him land first, but where's the fun in that? :)

Plus the A-10 is not an F-16 whose fuselage is designed for high-pitch angle aerobraking, (according to all the Falcon 4 version manuals I've read).

Is there a means to check the percentage the brakes are open/closed?

Only by sight - no indicator in cockpit.

Ahh, thanks 159th_Viper. You have saved my sanity, because I began searching the PDF manual and wasn't finding anything.

Try this:

1) Start by getting your speed approximately right. 140-150 kias (knots indicated airspeed) at outer part of approach. If you are faster than this then everything will happen too quickly. Get slow early!

2) Get your approach height right. You want to be around 1000 feet in circuit. If you are doing a straight in then at 150 kias you travel 2.5 nm/minute. At a 2000 feet/minute descent rate you will need to be at or below 4000 feet at 5 miles. For a 1000 fpm descent you'll need to be at 2000 feet at 5 miles. If you are too high when you start your approach you'll be too fast coming in. Don't start too high!

3) Use the Angle-of-Attack indexer on your approach to get your speed and attitude (nose pitch) correct. Practice using this. But until you are used to this consider your approach speed should be slowly decreasing to 120-125 kias with 40% speedbrake deployed. Use small nose pitch adjustments to ensure you don't get much faster or slower than this, then trim. Control your speed!

4) Set your flight path marker at the near end of the runway. If it moves up the runway then decrease throttle a little and let the marker come back to the near end. If the marker moves in short of the runway then add a little throttle and wait until the marker moves to the runway. Try not adjust your nose pitch during your descent once it is set correctly and trimmed (that is, don't dive for the runway). Many people learning to land run out of runway because they don't flare until well down the runway. While learning, you should be beginning your flare at the point you cross the runway threshold.

5) Once your cross the runway, close the throttle to idle and gently raise your nose so that the flight path marker rises to the far end of the runway. Hold this attitude until you touch down. As you hold this your speed will bleed off and you will descend gently to the runway. If judged correctly you will be flying level a few feet off the runway with a slightly nose-up pitch attitude while your airspeed bleeds off. Note: if you are descending a little too fast then a little throttle before touchdown can soften the landing - at the expense of greater roll-out distance.

6) If you have timed your flare correctly you will touch down just as the stall warning sounds. If this happens then you can be pleased with yourself.

7) As soon as you touch down deploy the speed brakes to 100% (full open, maximum braking).

8) Hold the nose wheel off the runway with the same attitude you touched down with. Don't pull back or you will hit your tail.

9) As your airspeed decreases allow the nose to settle on the ground.

10) At 80 kias enable nose wheel steering (INSERT key; right pinkie on TM Warthog HOTAS Stick).

11) Unless you need to stop in a hurry wait for your speed to decrease further before applying wheelbrakes. If you are out of balance while braking you may start to slip/skid sideways, so it is better to wait until you get slower than 80 kias before you brake (as you will be less likely to skid sideways).

12) Once you are below 15 kias you may begin turning. Turning faster than this can lead to skids or blowing a tire.

That's the specifics. In general you need to:

A) descend from the correct height and at the correct rate

B) control your airspeed (keep your nose pitch positive, don't dive).

C) aim for the runway threshold while descending and not down the runway (use throttle to control aimpoint).

D) open speedbrakes to full on touchdown.

E) hold the nose wheel off the ground for a little bit before allowing it to settle.

F) wait until you are slow before applying nose wheel steering and braking.

Lots of different opinions here. Moa's advice is pretty solid, with the exception that you should never, ever make a full stall landing in a jet. The Stall Warning should not be heard.

Also, there's no real point to aerobraking the A-10, and the -1 manual states that the most effective way to slow down is in a 3-point attitude with speedbrakes 100%, and maximum braking. In practice, maximum braking isn't needed unless the RCR is low, or the runway is short.

Don't do this:

:)

Here are some landings ...

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Mein Gott I miss those sights and sounds.

Has it really been 30 years since I was wrenching on hogs?

Time sure flies, and much faster than an unladen A-10!

Thanks for posting those, Tailgate...