DCS Mirage 2000C Discussion

[jojo]

How do you know how big a target in terms of RCS an M2000C is? Size doesn't exactly have anything to do with it.

 

Usually when radar range are given the reference is 5m² or fighter size.

So yes it's estimation here.

 

I can't exactly tell how much, but planes like F-15, Su-27 or MiG-29 have big nose, two large rectangular air intake and direct view on engine's first stage compressor. So you can expect above average RCS.

[WinterH]

Weeelll... there is merit to both sides of discussion here.

 

Yes, people are fighting, and occationally even winning in MiG-21 against F-15C currently, in that sense, Mirage 2000C will be a match with higher chance of success for MiG pilots compared to F-15C. Especially the Super 530 x 2 BVR payload would be pretty "meh..." in comparison to anything you can current fight against in DCS while you are in a MiG. And Matra Magic IR missiles also are roughly equivalents to R-60, rather than AIM-9M and above, or the R-73. So, few people who are good in their MiG-21 and get kills on average 4th gen fighter pilots, or even occationally on good ones who made a mistake, will likely be able to do even better against Mirage in similar conditions. There will be more chance of getting close enough without having to fight through a barrage of BVR missiles.

 

On the other hand, also yes that Mirage 2000C is pretty seriously superiour to either F-5 or MiG-21 in dogfighting, no doubt about that what-so-ever. F-5 and MiG-21 are pretty agile in their own right ok, but they just lack thrust or wing area of any 4th generation fighter, Mirage 2000 in particular, gives even F-16 a pretty tough time in WVR. Yeah, it does bleed speed quickly in high angles of attack or long sustained turns, but hey, MiG-21 is a delta too and does the same when you jack up that AoA. Mirage will be turning much quicker and tighter while bleeding that speed, and it can regain it quicker than the MiG-21, which is a whole generation older than it.

 

Also, even if we would ignore flight performance, I'm sure Mirage would have some quick close in missile acquisition / gunlaying solutions available to it and this alone would be quite ahead of what we have in our MiG :). This often gets overlooked but it's huge... often what frustrates me most in dogfighting in a MiG-21 is, even when I succesfuly get the target in front of my nose, it is just damn difficult to lock them with either IR or radar guided weapons.

 

Then there's massive situational awareness advantage, a RWR that doesn't go panic and still show threat direction when you are locked, a radar that is actually usable up close and low, a much clearer view out of a bubble canopy, are all pretty important in WVR.

 

So yes, in a sense, Mirage 2000C will most likely be the fighter that will give MiG-21 most chance to win, however, don't expect getting many kills if a Mirage pilot halfway knows what they're doing.

[jojo]

And Matra Magic IR missiles also are roughly equivalents to R-60, rather than AIM-9M and above, or the R-73.

 

Thanks for your support :smilewink:

 

Indeed the mistake is common. Magic I is first generation fielded in 1975, and rear sector only.

 

But Magic II had been introduced in 1986 with all aspect IR seeker.

It's weight of 196 lbs (only 8lbs more than AIM-9M).

Its warhead is slightly heavier (27 lbs for Magic II Vs 21 lbs for AIM-9).

Magic II and AIM-9M are a lot heavier and more powerful than the 100 lbs R-60 (warhead 7.7 lbs)

 

So yes, Magic II with all aspect IR seeker is the French counterpart to AIM-9M and R-73, and you can take front aspect shot.

 

The bottom line is : either you are considering weapon system or flight performance, Mirage 2000 C is not to be mistaken with Mirage III. It's a late 80'/ early 90' light weight fighter, with fly by wire.

It's 58% of the empty weight of F-15C, so less inertia.

 

Considering the 2000 C with both Mirage III and F-15 disadvantages is a mistake. But the Mirage 2000 is not THE ultimate fighter, it has its own strength and weakness.

Edited August 11, 2015 by jojo

[Slipp]

Is there a tanker in the game that can refuel this bird?

[jojo]

Is there a tanker in the game that can refuel this bird?

 

Any tanker that can refuel a F/A-18...KC-10 should do it.

[*Rage*]

This looks fantastic! Which variant are we getting and which operator skins? Cant wait!

[jojo]

This looks fantastic! Which variant are we getting and which operator skins? Cant wait!

 

The answer is here :

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1993808&postcount=11

 

:smilewink:

[Woogey]

Is there a tanker in the game that can refuel this bird?

Yes a KC-10 & S-3 Viking will Refuel this bird. Is there a drogue version of the KC-135 in game anybody?

[AussieGhost789]

Yes a KC-10 & S-3 Viking will Refuel this bird. Is there a drogue version of the KC-135 in game anybody?

 

Pretty sure there isn't. VEAO's KC-30 will be able to refuel the Mirage, though.

[Slipp]

Yes a KC-10 & S-3 Viking will Refuel this bird. Is there a drogue version of the KC-135 in game anybody?

 

But we do not have a KC-10 in-game, do we?

[Askerov24]

But we do not have a KC-10 in-game, do we?

 

It`s sad

[Jumbik]

So it seem we will see the improved RDI radar in Mirage :)

 

https://www.facebook.com/Metal2Mesh.Development/posts/908156169256586:0

[dartuil]

We are getting serious now!!

[schroedi]

Can't the Il-78 be used as tanker either?

[dartuil]

I dont think so but I can be wrong.

Are you working for aviation jojo? Or old fighter pilot?

Edited August 12, 2015 by dartuil

[jojo]

Can't the Il-78 be used as tanker either?

 

Ideed yes, good idea, Mirage 2000 around the world :

 

Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 H

 

Garuda India-France exercice

 

Even buddy-buddy refueling with Flanker :smilewink:

 

Brazilian F-2000 on C-130H

Reabastecimento em voo by Johnson Barros, sur Flickr

 

Southern Watch over Irak, French C-135FR, 1994

 

It can also use wing pod

 

Sorry for the "jet lag" :D

Edited August 12, 2015 by jojo

[jojo]

I dont think so but I can be wrong.

Are you working for aviation jojo? Or old fighter pilot?

 

I have not been working on Mirage 2000 :smilewink:

 

But I have been digging around Mirage 2000 since its introduction into Falcon 4 (Free Falcon) years ago.

 

Oops video in Brasil :D

Edited August 12, 2015 by jojo

[dartuil]

AAR is the best thing imagine M2000 , Gripen and F-16 in DCS!!!

[Zeus67]

At this time, the radar is basically functional. Now comes frustration time, since it is at this moment that work must be done with the itsy bitsy things that are needed so the radar is fully simulated. Here is the latest image:

 

I spent 2 days redoing all the symbology since thanks to a lack of resources was a mixed lot of RDM, RDI and RDY radars. This is a bona fide 99% RDI radar symbology. The 1% is the radar sweep, which I'll leave for the time being.

 

At this moment it is now possible to:

- Change radar range.

- Change radar azimuth coverage.

- Change radar bar scan lines.

 

The number next to the "V" icon is the track's mach number.

 

[Proof]

Fantastic :thumbup:

[King_Hrothgar]

Nice, and stop picking on us whirlybird pilots!

[SilentGun]

Amazing progress you guys are making! keep it up :thumbup:

[Airbuster]

Looking nice indeed!

 

About the tanker - Metal 2 Mesh have a nice KC-135R Stratotanker model for FSX, but no info if it will be integrated with DCS...

 

[jojo]

Now comes frustration time

 

Don't say that, it's great to see it moving the right direction :thumbup:

[Askerov24]

Looking nice indeed!

 

About the tanker - Metal 2 Mesh have a nice KC-135R Stratotanker model for FSX, but no info if it will be integrated with DCS...

 

 

Damn this tanker is good:thumbup: