Aginor Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Hi there! I think it makes at least some sense to have this in a separate thread, but feel free to merge it with something else. :) I'd like to talk about the Mig's weapon systems. From loooong long ago we have a list of external stores, and I'd like to know if the list has changed, and if yes: How has it changed? Here it is (list from.. somewhere, I don't remember. Could be SimHQ). http://www.dcs-mig21.com/wip/WIP_DCS_Mig21_weapon_001.jpg First row from left to right: APU-13MT APU-13MI (U) APU-7 APU-60-II APU-60 UB-32M2 UB-16UM S-5M R-3R (Izd 320V) R-3S (Izd 310A) R-13M (Izd 380A) R-13M1 (Izd 380M) R-60M (Izd 62A) R-55 (Izd 67) RS-2US (Izd 55) S-24A H-66 Middle row from left to right: ZB-500SKS ZB-360 SPRD-99 JATO SF-4 Light Flare Chuted for SAB-250-200 SAB-250-200 Candle Bomb OFAB-500SR Chuted FAB-500SR Chuted ODAB-500PM Chuted PTAB-500S Rocket/Chuted FAB-500TA High Speed BETAB-500 FAB-500SL Chuted FAB-500M54TU Retarded FAB-500M54 ZAB-500-400 Incendiary FAB-250M54TU Retarded FAB-250M54 OFAB-100-120 Retarded ASO-2V Flare/Chute dispensers Last row from left to right: SPS-141-100 Combined ECM Jammer + Flare/Chute dispensers IAB-500 2N244H Training device GUV-8700 Gun Pod (9A669), 1x AGS-17 30mm automatic grenade launcher GUV-8700 Gun Pod (9A624) 2x GshG 7.62mm & 1x Yak-B 12.7mm Fuel Droptank 490l W Fuel Droptank 800l Fuel Droptank 490l C Also I have a question about how all that stuff will work, especially the H-66 and the other guided stuff. Will that be part of any videos or documentation available soon? That would be very cool. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet
T0x1s Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Good thread wonder this to. Cobra said that some weapons is gone but nothing big. Wonder what that means exactly. Better not be the gun pod :)
Paradox Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 The GUV-8700 is an absolute beast but the way it works with the Mi-8 seems incompatible with the controls in the MiG-21 cockpit. Maybe the central pylon just has one "trigger" for all three guns in the pod.
badger66 Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 GUV-8700 Whats that ? You mean its a beast in the sim or in real life ?
159th_Viper Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 So I suppose this will be out of the question then..... :P Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Grim_Smiles Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Part of me wants to laugh my butt off and part of me wants to not be standing there when it's on an attack run. So I suppose this will be out of the question then..... :P "Hurled headlong flaming from the ethereal sky; With hideous ruin and combustion down; To bottomless perdition, there to dwell; In adamantine chains and penal fire" (RIG info is outdated, will update at some point) i5 @3.7GHz (OC to 4.1), 16GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 970 4GB, TrackIR 5 & TrackClip Pro, TM Warthog HOTAS, VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV, Razer Blackshark Headset, Obutto Ozone
T0x1s Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 So I suppose this will be out of the question then..... :P The rearm time on that one is probably not so fun :D
Scrim Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Well, considering the extreme low altitude they'd have to go with for it to be more effective than shrapnel, they'd be flying so low they'd hardly cover an area larger than the measurements of that, eh, uhm, "weapons system"? Probably a good reason why they never used it :P
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NoJoe Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 So I suppose this will be out of the question then..... [belly O' Guns] :P Is... Is that a belly full of PPShs?!? Haha, wow, I'd never seen that before! :shocking:
159th_Viper Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Is... Is that a belly full of PPShs?!? Aye, all 88 of them, all firing simultaneously - guaranteed to ruin your day :D Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
RagnarDa Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Talk about bullet rain... DCS AJS37 HACKERMAN There will always be bugs. If everything is a priority nothing is.
NoJoe Posted March 1, 2014 Posted March 1, 2014 Aye, all 88 of them, all firing simultaneously - guaranteed to ruin your day :D Hahaha, awesome! Can we get that on the MiG? Maybe an updated version, made of AK-47s. :D
statrekmike Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Just out of curiosity, what kind of maximum engagement range are we looking at with the MiG-21Bis? Does this aircraft carry anything like a medium range, radar guided missile?
Drona Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Does this aircraft carry anything like a medium range, radar guided missile? Nope, Nada! :noexpression:
Dolphin887 Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 Hello Aginor, let me answer your question briefly. The list you presented here is the list of 3D models that Laszlo Becz developed previously. Some of the weapons from that list can't be /properly/ integrated into DCSW at the moment, most notable examples are flammable/incendiary containers/bombs. Some weapons is not included since it proved useless during testing (e.g. small bombs, GUV due to small caliber intended for use against infantry not effective against tough targets, some drag bombs (difficult declaration, problematic aiming and behavior)), or impossible to aim with ASP sight (-6.5 degrees limit). Grayed entries on the list are excluded /I might have made mistake or two since Im not on my PC at the moment/. Some original ED weapons are included and are not on this list. Launchers ( APU-13MT APU-13MI (U) APU-7 APU-60-II APU-60) UB-32M2 UB-16UM S-5M R-3R R-3S R-13M R-13M1 R-60M R-55 RS-2US S-24A/B H-66 ZB-500SKS ZB-360 SPRD-99 JATO SF-4 Light Flare Chuted for SAB-250-200 SAB-250-200 Candle Bomb OFAB-500SR Chuted FAB-500SR Chuted ODAB-500PM Chuted PTAB-500S Rocket/Chuted FAB-500TA High Speed BETAB-500 FAB-500SL Chuted FAB-500M54TU Retarded FAB-500M54 ZAB-500-400 Incendiary FAB-250M54TU Retarded FAB-250M54 OFAB-100-120 Retarded ASO-2V Flare/Chute dispensers SPS-141-100 ECM Jammer & Flare/Chaff dispensers IAB-500 "nuke" GUV-8700 Gun Pod (9A669), 1x AGS-17 30mm automatic grenade launcher GUV-8700 Gun Pod (9A624) 2x GshG 7.62mm & 1x Yak-B 12.7mm Fuel Droptank 490l W Fuel Droptank 800l Fuel Droptank 490l C Hi there! I'd like to know if the list has changed, and if yes: How has it changed? Here it is (list from.. somewhere, I don't remember. Could be SimHQ). http://www.dcs-mig21.com/wip/WIP_DCS_Mig21_weapon_001.jpg Also I have a question about how all that stuff will work, especially the H-66 and the other guided stuff. Will that be part of any videos or documentation available soon? That would be very cool. Power through superb knowledge, training and teamwork. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Meldir Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 So Kh-66 will not be included??? I was looking forward it so much :-( [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] РАЗРЕШИТЕ ВЗЛЁТ!
159th_Falcon Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 Well then, that sucks............. A third of the weapon's wont make it into the game.:cry: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:)
GGTharos Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 The dragged weapons were probably aimed with timing, not with the sight - I could be wrong of course, or perhaps there is a special sight mode for using those. I don't see why the Kh-66 couldn't be included, could you explain? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
karambiatos Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 can the mig-21 not use r73s? A 1000 flights, a 1000 crashes, perfect record. =&arrFilter_pf[gameversion]=&arrFilter_pf[filelang]=&arrFilter_pf[aircraft]=&arrFilter_DATE_CREATE_1_DAYS_TO_BACK=&sort_by_order=TIMESTAMP_X_DESC"] Check out my random mods and things
GGTharos Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 I believe that depends on the modeled version. There are physical components which may need to be available, as well as electronic components and WCS capability. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
lunaticfringe Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 So Kh-66 will not be included??? I was looking forward it so much :-( What, so you could dive on a set heading and angle to keep your radar on target, thereby giving the AAA an easy time of it? Live, man. Dumb munitions let you survive here.
RagnarDa Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 Yes the Kh-66 was what I was looking forward to the most from the first time I read about it... DCS AJS37 HACKERMAN There will always be bugs. If everything is a priority nothing is.
Zulfiqar Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 can the mig-21 not use r73s? Only IIRC the Mig-21-93 and the Mig-21 Bison can.
hypersonik Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 :baby: GUV and KH-66 :worthy: DCSW wishlist : multi-crew :D GTX480, i52400, 8GB, Samsung EVO 840 250G SSD, Raid 0 2TB =~45 FPS [Maxed] [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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