Not another map Poll, a legit question to the DEVS

Devil 505 · May 20, 2014

To the Devs. If I was interested in throwing a pitch to some programmers here at University of Texas in Arlington about developing a new map/terrain, do we need to wait on EDGE to be released or is there a beta version we could work with now to start creating a new map? There are a lot of brilliant software designers and 3D developers at this college that could possibly be interested in opening up another environment for DCS.

This is not a thread to say I am starting something nor have I even spoken to someone yet. If I decide to speak with these guys I would like to know what engine they would be working with and be able to sell them on the project and my knowledge of DCS and what you guys are trying to accomplish. I know all about money constraints and that is something that would be addressed if and when a project was to be decided upon. I know a lot of us would like to see a different map and if the resources are there, I would like to try to make it a reality.

If I could get any info on what 3D software is used for the terrain and what engine would be available to start a project that would be great. Any other info regarding the development of a new map would also greatly be appreciated. I am in no form or fashion a developer, but I have access to people who are, and I think as a community we need to try and reach out to these assets and start growing the number of third party supporters for DCS.

Regards

Robert Clark

aaron886 · May 20, 2014

For all intents and purposes, no. There is nothing you can work with right now to create another DCS environment.

Suchacz · May 20, 2014

To the OP: Hi mate, that would be great if you can manage that. But imho this forum is not the appropriate communication channel to discuss this with the devs. If I were you, I would choose a more private way. Try to send a PM to "Wags" (http://forums.eagle.ru/member.php?u=3338), he can probably help you with that.

For all intents and purposes, no. There is nothing you can work with right now to create another DCS environment.

How can you be that certain? RRG studio announced a Normandy map for EDGE with the support from ED.

Edited May 20, 2014 by Suchacz

falcon_120 · May 20, 2014

You should send a PM to Wags, I'm sure he will answer you gently whether your intentions may succes or not because is just not the right time.

aaron886 · May 20, 2014

How can you be that certain? RRG studio announced a Normandy map for EDGE with the support from ED.

With support from ED. Without ED, that capability does not yet exist.

NineLine · May 20, 2014

PM Wags or Chizh, be prepared to show them what you are capable of, past projects, etc... then I am sure they will let you know where they are at, it seems maps are limited to partners (RRG the only others that have announced an EDGE map) if anyone right now, but who knows... it cant hurt to ask and see where it goes. I am sure they are open to hearing from possible 3rd Party devs at any time.

lazduc · May 21, 2014

The fellow next door and his team work on terrain maps for the military. I mentioned this sometime ago....I asked him about doing something outside of their normal projects (DCS) and if they would be interested. None of the devs here mentioned any interest in anyone developing another map. With this lack of interest I have to assume they do not want any additional sources in their development process.

Perhaps ED are only interested in aircraft 3rd party developers aside from RRG and their WW2 and Europe development.

What with the time it has taken ED to do the Nevada map (years) and the integration of that map with Edge I would think they would welcome any interested party to develop software for DCS. I also am aware of the $$$$ and all that. Imho I think this type of development..additional areas and maps would only attract more customers....

Lazduc

Devil 505 · May 21, 2014

I appreciate the feedback guys. Not sure how this post wound up on this forum. I originally posted it elsewhere and found it here for some reason.

If DCS (ED) does not want to have third parties working on maps right now I respect that. Just offering a lending hand to help push DCS into the future. Thankfully I was brought up with patience and respect so I have no problems waiting. The military was good about teaching "hurry up and wait."

I am very proactive and thought that instead of posting polls on what we really want, I would try to take the reins and get something started. I wish ED all the luck in the world and I am sure they know that there are many of us out there willing to help if they need or want it.

Looking forward to the new projects that are coming off the flight line soon from everybody. See you guys up stairs!

Regards

Robert

NineLine · May 21, 2014

Did you go through the proper channels to show your interest in creating maps, did you explain the experience you were bringing? Show them proof of concept, or any other requirements that they ask for? Or did you just post a message on the forums and hope the right person would come along?

As for the time it takes... well I think you are a little off on that, most of the development time I am sure has gone into not only map creation, but the tools to do so, as well as their commercial projects... I highly doubt that once the tools and EDGE get hammered out that creation time will be quite this long, that said... the detail we have seen so far isnt a couple months worth of work either...

The assumption that ED doesnt understand what more maps would bring to DCS is just way off base.

The fellow next door and his team work on terrain maps for the military. I mentioned this sometime ago....I asked him about doing something outside of their normal projects (DCS) and if they would be interested. None of the devs here mentioned any interest in anyone developing another map. With this lack of interest I have to assume they do not want any additional sources in their development process.

Perhaps ED are only interested in aircraft 3rd party developers aside from RRG and their WW2 and Europe development.

What with the time it has taken ED to do the Nevada map (years) and the integration of that map with Edge I would think they would welcome any interested party to develop software for DCS. I also am aware of the $$$$ and all that. Imho I think this type of development..additional areas and maps would only attract more customers....

Lazduc

Edited May 21, 2014 by NineLine

Grizzly1606688174 · August 19, 2014

I have been very interested in making maps for DCS for a while now.

I've allways though if there is one thing that would make DCS a lot more attractive, it would be new terrain.

I have been making maps for alot of games for the fun of it, like steelbeasts and arma and my biggest achievement was Favslev for Arma 2, some of you might know it.

Pictures:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/2014-02-28_00011.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/2014-02-28_00007.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/3.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/2014-02-28_00002.jpg

It took me more than two years of creating and shaping the 100 km2 of a danish terrain and I never got it fully completed to my likings since Im a bit of a perfectionst.

But, what I see when looking at terrains for DCS is something in between the complexity of Arma maps, and the grand scales of Steelbeasts.

(You dont have to concentrate on individual gardens for each housing, and so on like you do in arma. It's not so important since you are flying, and you are not doing 1st person infantry combat.)

I would love the oppotunity to see what it takes to create a DCS map.

It looks simple to me, but it all comes down to the tools in the end I would imagine. And there is alot of much more talented and skilled map makers out there than me. If ED gave us the tools for this, i think DCS would be complete.

Falcon_S · August 19, 2014

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Pictures:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/2014-02-28_00011.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/2014-02-28_00007.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/3.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/2014-02-28_00002.jpg

If they asked me - you got the job :)

It took me more than two years..

But you have to be a bit quick :D .

Just joke, you are master and excellent job.

NineLine · August 19, 2014

You should PM Chizh or Wags as far as more info to become a 3rd Party dev, I dont know if they are looking for terrain creators yet, but it certainly couldnt hurt to figure out where you need to be when the time comes. Good luck!

I have been very interested in making maps for DCS for a while now.
I've allways though if there is one thing that would make DCS a lot more attractive, it would be new terrain.

I have been making maps for alot of games for the fun of it, like steelbeasts and arma and my biggest achievement was Favslev for Arma 2, some of you might know it.

Pictures:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/2014-02-28_00011.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/2014-02-28_00007.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/3.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1576479/screenshots/fav/2014-02-28_00002.jpg

It took me more than two years of creating and shaping the 100 km2 of a danish terrain and I never got it fully completed to my likings since Im a bit of a perfectionst.

But, what I see when looking at terrains for DCS is something in between the complexity of Arma maps, and the grand scales of Steelbeasts.
(You dont have to concentrate on individual gardens for each housing, and so on like you do in arma. It's not so important since you are flying, and you are not doing 1st person infantry combat.)

I would love the oppotunity to see what it takes to create a DCS map.
It looks simple to me, but it all comes down to the tools in the end I would imagine. And there is alot of much more talented and skilled map makers out there than me. If ED gave us the tools for this, i think DCS would be complete.

danvac · August 19, 2014

You may also try luck with VEAO:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=125305

NineLine · August 19, 2014

You may also try luck with VEAO:
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=125305

Yes good point... :thumbup:

Grizzly1606688174 · August 19, 2014

Hehe thanks guys.

I'm not looking for a paid job, thats to much "fuzz" for me so I'll wait and see. Maybe we get some news on the subject with EDGE. I dont want to pm anyone, Im sure they have enough on their minds. :-)

NRG-Vampire · August 20, 2014

I have been making maps for alot of games for the fun of it, like steelbeasts and arma and my biggest achievement was Favslev for Arma 2, some of you might know it.

OMG, that looks fantastic, we want same environment in DCS as well :thumbsup:

DCS needs you Grizzly (or Muggi?) :)

http://www.armaholic.com/datas/users/arma2oa_2013-02-28_21-09-49-31_4.jpg

http://www.armaholic.com/datas/users/arma2oa_2013-06-16_21-06-32-33_4.jpg

http://www.armaholic.com/datas/users/2014-02-28_00003_4.jpg

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http://www.armaholic.com/datas/users/favslev_104_4.jpg

http://www.arma2base.de/content/images/Favslev1.jpg

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