now that ED is doing it, why not make the 1free flyable the tf51?

[cichlidfan]

That would give Hornet fans kittens.....

 

To late, already happened. :)

[NineLine]

That would work too. It would be easily accomplished if they abandoned the separate install. Without a separate install the free aircraft already in DCS World would be more than sufficient.

 

I am not sure how you can do WWII without a separate install of some sort... I mean so much is embedded in the game for modern warfare... I mean just start with the comms, it doesnt work for the 40's and WWII...

[Merlin-27]

...your comarison with the su25 in dcs world and the for now four announced wwii warbirds p47,spitfire,109,fw190 isnt really matching i think...giving away one of especially these 4birds, the "rockstars", for free for dcswwii would be similar to give away a future dcs F18 for dcs world.

 

Exactly. I bought the A-10 partially because I had absolutely no desire to fly the SU-25.

 

Giving them the Mustang or other "rockstars" free seems like a mistake if you would hope for encouraging future module revenue. And as we've seen with the P-51D, many people prefer a non-combat experience as DCS aircraft are much more than a flying machinegun.

 

Who knows... it's definitely something to be considered carefully or funding may continue to be an issue and a limiting factor for expansion.

[cichlidfan]

I am not sure how you can do WWII without a separate install of some sort... I mean so much is embedded in the game for modern warfare... I mean just start with the comms, it doesnt work for the 40's and WWII...

 

Well, if ED intended DCS World to not be tied to any time period then those things should not have been done that way.

[NineLine]

Who knows... it's definitely something to be considered carefully or funding may continue to be an issue and a limiting factor for expansion.

 

I think this is a key aspect we all have to accept, we want to see all the aircraft promised, it has to be economically feasible to do for ED, I truly dont think it was for RRG... least from my vantage point which I admit is pretty obscured...

 

I want all the aircraft the KS stated we would get, I dont want ED to have to cancel any because they gave away the farm right off the start.... We have only really seen the 109 in sim, do we even know if ED acquired the in progress assets for the other aircraft we have seen... we simple just dont know...

[NineLine]

Well, if ED intended DCS World to not be tied to any time period then those things should not have been done that way.

 

Well I would say that most of that stuff is tied to the early days before the commitment to other time periods was considered. Currently you could not do a decent WWII sim with DCS World... least from what I can see... there is a lot of core changes that would need to be made.

 

An example, we get Normandy, load it into DCS WOrld... switch on civilian traffic... right now it would be modern traffic, they will have to figure out how to change that for 1944... sure there is a number of was to do it, all of them seem like a ton of work to me.

Edited June 11, 2014 by NineLine

[Merlin-27]

 

As I see it, there are two reasonable options:

• Release a feature limited demo giving a full fat aircraft and a few training and SP missions,. Multiplayer, Mission Editor and non-demo missions are restricted. Offer a cheaper (say ~$15) demo unlock to allow the full features for that aircraft (i.e. it becomes a conventional one module install), or the whole thing unlocks when you buy another module
  
• Remain F2P, give the P-51 (for reasons stated earlier), let people properly explore and rely on this being a sufficient demonstration of quality to encourage them to buy more modules
  

 

A demo without guns makes a poor demo, a F2P combat game without actual combat is just going to piss people off for not actually being F2P.

 

I have it!

 

One free tank of gas for the Mustang per user. :D A generous test drive.

[Flying Penguin]

I am not sure how you can do WWII without a separate install of some sort... I mean so much is embedded in the game for modern warfare... I mean just start with the comms, it doesnt work for the 40's and WWII...

 

Well given you are going to have to pretty much gut the base game to "1940ify" it, rather than just plonking 1944 assets in, have selectable assets, so filtering by date range gives you assets and editor tools appropriate for the era etc.

 

It's always easier to dream than do, but if DCSW is to be truly era agnostic, it's going to be needed at some point.

[NineLine]

Well given you are going to have to pretty much gut the base game to "1940ify" it, rather than just plonking 1944 assets in, have selectable assets, so filtering by date range gives you assets and editor tools appropriate for the era etc.

 

It's always easier to dream than do, but if DCSW is to be truly era agnostic, it's going to be needed at some point.

 

I agree... we can talk all these ideas till we are blue in the face, right now we just dont know the exact approach ED is going to take. I would like a launch screen, and you select the time era from there.

[Flying Penguin]

I have it!

 

One free tank of gas for the Mustang per user. :D A generous test drive.

 

And no re-fills if they spill it over the runway on their first take off ;)

[cichlidfan]

Well given you are going to have to pretty much gut the base game to "1940ify" it, rather than just plonking 1944 assets in, have selectable assets, so filtering by date range gives you assets and editor tools appropriate for the era etc.

 

It's always easier to dream than do, but if DCSW is to be truly era agnostic, it's going to be needed at some point.

 

Exactly. ED committed to multiple time frames two years ago, with the release of the P-51, so the work should have long since been mapped out and planned for.

[NineLine]

Exactly. ED committed to multiple time frames two years ago, with the release of the P-51, so the work should have long since been mapped out and planned for.

 

The committed to Flying Legends collection... they didnt commit to a different era.... I think Luthier was supposed to aid in that.... annnnnnnnd welcome to today :)

[Witchking]

How about demo being a game with no mission editor, no other flyable aircraft assets, just enough models for a couple of demo missions and a loaded WWII aircraft. This way, the prospective customer gets to check out the game...the features and DCS fidelity and gets to fly in an immersive combat environment with era-specific assets. But they can't just plop in other models etc and crack the game per se.

 

I agree though...ideal case scenario is ED makes a AFM/AFM+ level with SSM avionics model like the Su25/25T and gives the whole DCS WWII a free to play model again.

 

In terms of work required, I think the SSM aircraft is probably easier than trying to restrict an existing sim to many such constraints.

 

But ED need to really think this one through.... so many flyables at such a low price (I paid 40$ and I will be getting all flyables)...its just too much to give away when even the flight model for a single aircraft is over 120K.This is just not financially feasible and un-wise. If anything...work around it by releasing one aircraft at a time while working on other aircraft as the primary income source. But doing the kickstarter agreed module will probably run ED dry of all its money.

Edited June 11, 2014 by Witchking

[cichlidfan]

But ED need to really think this one through.... so many flyables at such a low price (I paid 40$ and I will be getting all flyables)...its just too much to give away when even the flight model for a single aircraft is over 120K.This is just not financially feasible and un-wise. If anything...work around it by releasing one aircraft at a time while working on other aircraft as the primary income source. But doing the kickstarter agreed module will probably run ED dry of all its money.

 

If ED didn't think about all of that before Wags' announcement then this is a bigger mess than it already appears.

[outlawal2]

Bottom line is that the kind of granularity everyone wants as far as era switching, maps, vehicles etc. would require a total rewrite of DCS World and I for one think going the separate install route is the way to go. Despite the fact that it will fill your hard drive up, I still like that option better than having ED tied up rewriting EVERYTHING..

 

Better to wait for EDGE to complete.. And F-18 to be released... And 3rd party Devs get up to speed and release a few modules...

 

THEN look at the overall structure to take into account different eras, maps, vehicles etc.. (And hopefully a dynamic campaign as well!)

 

One step at a time folks... If we all take a breath and look at where we were 3 yeqrs ago and where we are now, quite a bit of progress has been made.. And right now MANY pieces are coming together at once.

 

My opinion is that 2 years from now, DCS World will be a completely different beast with many new pieces and a multitude of aircraft / scenarios etc... Just a few major pieces holding things up at this point...

[Paganus]

I don't like ERA division, even the little bit they have currently done has been a problem for me.

 

I was building some cold war missions and wanted to use the M-60 tank as the primary US armor. Ed has removed them from the US group because they are no longer in use by the US. The only thing I could do without modding was add them as Turkish units.

 

My preference would be to put all the assets in one place and just use filters, so that I can use any assets the way I want.

 

Maps may have to remain ERA specific due to all the baked in assets, but not the units!

 

On topic:

 

The thing was pitched to the world as having a free fighter. I don't consider the TF-51 to be a WW2 fighter. I think they should stick as closely to what was in the KS as they can.

 

I posted somewhere else about maybe using the P-51 for the free plane. I think they would lose less sales on it since it's already been out for as long as it has.

Edited June 11, 2014 by Paganus
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[HellToupee]

I would rather the gave away something at the fidelity level of the Su-25T though...

 

It doesn't sell the game tho, people have picked up DCS world after hearing about it then flown the su-25t and thought that represented a level of detail all the aircraft and were ignorant of the differences between flaming cliffs aircraft and DCS ones, partly why a free TF-51 was necessary in the first place.

[NineLine]

It doesn't sell the game tho, people have picked up DCS world after hearing about it then flown the su-25t and thought that represented a level of detail all the aircraft and were ignorant of the differences between flaming cliffs aircraft and DCS ones, partly why a free TF-51 was necessary in the first place.

 

 

I dont agree.... people arent ignorant to the fact that higher fidelity aircraft are available, not to mention there is the cost associated with creating a P-51D level aircraft and thn giving it away... the TF is pretty much a new model wrapped around the P-51D, costs were pretty low I would imagine... but if they give away the 109, Spit, or P-47.... well that's crazy IMHO... giving away 3 for a $1..... someone should be locked up ;)

Edited June 12, 2014 by NineLine

[Python]

I tend to agree with this, I have the P51, I paid full price for it but I've had my monies worth and wouldn't be too upset if they offered it up for free. The SU-25 doesn't particularly show the sim off to its potential, the Mustang however would. Maybe a WW2 bird wouldn't be very representative of DCS: World though. Perhaps a limited time demo of the A-10c would be a better option along side the TF-51...

[cliffy229]

With as small of a niche market flight sims already seem to be I can't see giving away anything other than the TF-51, ED needs to sell as many modules as possible so they can keep developing new ones.

[Witchking]

With as small of a niche market flight sims already seem to be I can't see giving away anything other than the TF-51, ED needs to sell as many modules as possible so they can keep developing new ones.

 

I agree. Bottom line is ED need to be realistic. Even though it will anger a lot of people... I think correcting this mess should take into account their own sustenance. Developing each aircraft costs a lot already. Don't give away 3 for a $1.

[Jason S]

I say make the free item a world war 2 willy with a M20 side arm that is based at an airfield. They can tow a gas wagon to refill the "purchased" dry ww2 planes. This will allow them to watch the fun from down below see what they are missing way above, but still fire on the enemy that breaks thru. Plus this opens the path for CA: WW2. I won't have to worry about this as I will be flying the DCS F-18 over Nevada.

[HellToupee]

I dont agree.... people arent ignorant to the fact that higher fidelity aircraft are available, not to mention there is the cost associated with creating a P-51D level aircraft and thn giving it away... the TF is pretty much a new model wrapped around the P-51D, costs were pretty low I would imagine... but if they give away the 109, Spit, or P-47.... well that's crazy IMHO... giving away 3 for a $1..... someone should be locked up ;)

 

They are, the su-25t gives them completely the wrong impression of the simulation, hell it didn't even have a 3d pit until recently.

 

There is a cost, but that is marketing it is done because it pays off, its way the free to play model has been doing better than subscription model as the key is to first get people to try the game get hooked in then charge for more.

[NineLine]

They are, the su-25t gives them completely the wrong impression of the simulation, hell it didn't even have a 3d pit until recently.

 

There is a cost, but that is marketing it is done because it pays off, its way the free to play model has been doing better than subscription model as the key is to first get people to try the game get hooked in then charge for more.

 

Free to play doesnt give away as much as ED would have to with just one of the DCS WWII planes...

[HellToupee]

Free to play doesnt give away as much as ED would have to with just one of the DCS WWII planes...

 

I would say they give away more they essentially their entire game eg warthunder and just charge for the little additions and boosts in some cases only cosmetic items.