July 2014 Update #1

[tobaschi]

So at the end

i will not recieve the promised package, ok , that the game in kickstart project and promises were maybe too beautiful to be real .

But in this case the kickstar doesn't failled and a company has bought the project (maybe for nothing but this isn't the question in this post )

And as a customer i don't care.

 

And in this situation the minimum for the initial backer and old ED supportes ll be to just give the choice to choose the two aircraft we want

 

If not the "best for Ed" is not the best for old ED supporters...

 

So for me this update is a bad news , a bad message for olds supporters

 

 

sorry for my poor english level

 

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[DD_Crash]

I think that the recycling of the P-51 is quite a critical issue will most of us. Thanks ED for keeping the project going but just reconsider letting us choose what we would like , even offer a discount for buying things we were "promised"

[NineLine]

Well, this person, who also invested $1 towards the development, was originally promised 3 planes. To say to him that you get nothing now is not really fair either. Could at least give one plane, even an over saturated P-51 one that would not sell much any more or that the backer could already have or if he does not have it, gets as an apetizer to build the desire to buy other planes. There were in total about 300 below-$20 backers - certainly not a big loss for ED anyway.

 

Now if this below-$20 backer gets nothing, he certainly feels cheated and might not want to give any more money to ED and spread the word among his friends to stay away from this developer.

 

Talk to Ilya...

[NineLine]

Despite of all fan boy voices i don t like all this proposition

 

Can we try to be a little mature and not call people names because their opinion differs from yours?

 

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[Mazinger]

Mr. Wags

As banker, I think I have the right to give my humble opinion. Understand your economic situation to develop modules, but I do not like the new distribution of rewards. Therefore, I request refund of my money. Thank you

 

Also no news of a SDK maps as once promised.

[Dogz]

Talk to Ilya...

 

I got the impression that ED is running the show now and not Ilya.

[NineLine]

I got the impression that ED is running the show now and not Ilya.

 

But they are trying to fix his pipe dreams... if you dont like how the original KS was set up, he is the one to ask about... ED is trying to make this a viable project now...

[NineLine]

Mr. Wags

As banker, I think I have the right to give my humble opinion. Understand your economic situation to develop modules, but I do not like the new distribution of rewards. Therefore, I request refund of my money. Thank you

 

Also no news of a SDK maps as once promised.

 

The SDK is still to early in development to know if it is something that can be handed out... news will come later on that.

[tobaschi]

But they are trying to fix his pipe dreams... if you dont like how the original KS was set up, he is the one to ask about... ED is trying to make this a viable project now...

 

giving us the the choice to select the aircraft which we wanna is a minimum, damage control or not, ED did benefit directly from the kickstarter money

[Dogz]

But they are trying to fix his pipe dreams... if you dont like how the original KS was set up, he is the one to ask about... ED is trying to make this a viable project now...

 

That is why I was offering my advice to ED of what would be a reasonable solution in my opinion. I don't see how talking to Ilya, who has nothing to do with the project any more, except maybe still writing some manuals, would bring any benefit to the situation.

 

So from my original suggestion, every backer gets something, even if it is only 1/3 of the aircraft they were promised originally minus the physical stuff. Adds no extra costs to ED. Has the potential to bring lots of extra money from happy and loyal customers to ED.

[NineLine]

giving us the the choice to select the aircraft which we wanna is a minimum, damage control or not, ED did benefit directly from the kickstarter money

 

Its well known that a lot of people would like the option to choose...

[NineLine]

That is why I was offering my advice to ED of what would be a reasonable solution in my opinion. I don't see how talking to Ilya, who has nothing to do with the project any more, except maybe still writing some manuals, would bring any benefit to the situation.

 

So from my original suggestion, every backer gets something, even if it is only 1/3 of the aircraft they were promised originally minus the physical stuff. Adds no extra costs to ED. Has the potential to bring lots of extra money from happy and loyal customers to ED.

 

$1 dollar for 3 planes was crazy... $1 for 1 plane... still a little crazy.

[jinroh]

We don't complain about the tentative of ED to provide a solution. The problem is that everyone isn't treated fairly.

 

Some received a compensation while other are spoiled. In my country we call this discrimination. It's not normal that people who backed ED with the P51D are the ones who will pay the most this KS disaster.

 

This isn't the fault of ED but if they decide to help, they should at least try to offer the equivalent compensation to everyone.

 

Customer frustration is never good for business and if in the past I was willing to pay the full price to help ED with their dev, now i will wait for major prices drop to buy their stuff.

 

I don't like to pay twice something for nothing while other have received a compensation in the same situation, we all paid money.

[NineLine]

All backer ranges get a fairly decent return value (yes I know everyone wants to be able to choose which aircraft so dont say it again) so I see NO discrimination....

 

We don't complain about the tentative of ED to provide a solution. The problem is that everyone isn't treated fairly.

 

Some received a compensation while other are spoiled. In my country we call this discrimination. It's not normal that people who backed ED with the P51D are the ones who will pay the most this KS disaster.

 

This isn't the fault of ED but if they decide to help, they should at least try to offer the equivalent compensation to everyone.

 

Customer frustration is never good for business and if in the past I was willing to pay the full price to help ED with their dev, now i will wait for major prices drop to buy their stuff.

 

I don't like to pay twice something for nothing while other have received a compensation in the same situation, we all paid money.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

poor sith, you got my respect

[Cnuke]

Can I suggest this ? (Since the 10$ backing was specially beta acces)

$1-$9

Bronze Backer credit in manuals

 

$10-$19

Bronze Backer credit in manuals

Normandy Map

$20-$39

Bronze Backer credit in manuals

DCS: P-51D Mustang and print-ready PDF manual

Normandy Map

[empeck]

You get Normandy as well.

 

Sure, I already own Nevada for over three years (I think), let's add another map to the list of areas I will have one day. :thumbup:

 

Fool me once (BS -> BS2 payware upgrade), shame on you, fool me twice (Kickstarter of RRG and ED product) shame on me.

 

:music_whistling:

[eekz]

Would it be better if ED had frozen the project after Luthier retired?

Will it be better if ED refunds KS investments due to inability to full-fill original reward sets and close the project?

[Dogz]

$1 dollar for 3 planes was crazy... $1 for 1 plane... still a little crazy.

 

Maybe getting Su-25T for free with DCS World is also crazy?

The difference is that the backers were promised something, no matter how little money they brought. If I promise to bring you something for $10 and once I get the money I walk away and say that you are crazy to believe I can give you something for $10, then this is perfectly normal in your mind?

 

Anyway, the point is not about being able to buy something with $10 or $1, but the principle that people were asked to invest money and in return promised planes, no matter how little money they bring in. "Every dollar helps". Now these people are crazy, because they invested.

 

And another point, we are talking about so little amounts of money here compared to the whole sales of these planes. I really don't understand why would ED want to turn away these customers that are interested in their products and most probably would buy more of them in the future also.

[upupandaway]

Sure, I already own Nevada for over three years (I think), let's add another map to the list of areas I will have one day. :thumbup:

 

Fool me once (BS -> BS2 payware upgrade), shame on you, fool me twice (Kickstarter of RRG and ED product) shame on me.

 

:music_whistling:

 

Hm, I disagree. What was wrong with asking for some return to update and integrate an older module? Would you say the same thing about FC2/3? Especially with FC3 ED has provided massive updates to those who bought it when there was no F-15 AFM and only F-15 6DOF.

 

And aren´t two birds in the bush worth more than none, or wait...? Did I get this right? ;)

Edited July 8, 2014 by upupandaway

[tobaschi]

Would it be better if ED had frozen the project after Luthier retired?

Will it be better if ED refunds KS investments due to inability to full-fill original reward sets and close the project?

 

 

seems that project is that profitable for ED that it was not worth to frozen, so yes, i can live wonderful with a refund, at the end i will be even cheaper if i buy the moduls i like

[Jona33]

Maybe getting Su-25T for free with DCS World is also crazy?

The difference is that the backers were promised something, no matter how little money they brought. If I promise to bring you something for $10 and once I get the money I walk away and say that you are crazy to believe I can give you something for $10, then this is perfectly normal in your mind?

 

Anyway, the point is not about being able to buy something with $10 or $1, but the principle that people were asked to invest money and in return promised planes, no matter how little money they bring in. "Every dollar helps". Now these people are crazy, because they invested.

 

And another point, we are talking about so little amounts of money here compared to the whole sales of these planes. I really don't understand why would ED want to turn away these customers that are interested in their products and most probably would buy more of them in the future also.

 

No, if my friend promises you something for $10 and once he gets the money he walks away then you are crazy to believe I'm legally obligated to give you whatever my mate was going to give you.

[NineLine]

ED didnt make this mess, they are only trying to make it better the best they can.... far as I can tell with the reward setup they are doin not to bad... again... you are making it sound like all these KS promises were from ED... they were not.

 

Maybe getting Su-25T for free with DCS World is also crazy?

The difference is that the backers were promised something, no matter how little money they brought. If I promise to bring you something for $10 and once I get the money I walk away and say that you are crazy to believe I can give you something for $10, then this is perfectly normal in your mind?

 

Anyway, the point is not about being able to buy something with $10 or $1, but the principle that people were asked to invest money and in return promised planes, no matter how little money they bring in. "Every dollar helps". Now these people are crazy, because they invested.

 

And another point, we are talking about so little amounts of money here compared to the whole sales of these planes. I really don't understand why would ED want to turn away these customers that are interested in their products and most probably would buy more of them in the future also.

[jinroh]

The problem isn't to choose any planes. We already paid ED for the P51D outside the KS and now we will received a second useless key and that's called compensation.

[NineLine]

No, if my friend promises you something for $10 and once he gets the money he walks away then you are crazy to believe I'm legally obligated to give you whatever my mate was going to give you.

 

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