EDGE Recommended Sytem

[Focha]

Hi guys,

 

Anyone know what kind of system will be recommended to run EDGE?

 

What will be the minimum and recommended system requirements.

 

I'm in the process of building a new PC and I wonder what I should choose for the future of DCS.

 

Thank you for your help.

 

Regards.

[outlawal2]

That has not been stated as of yet...

[joey45]

Post #????? On this topic.....

 

The response will be the same until ED announce it.

[badaboom]

Yeah,I would hold off on build for a little while.

[cichlidfan]

Yeah,I would hold off on build for a little while.

 

Agreed. If you are building specifically for DCS then wait until EDGE has been out in the wild for a bit.

[aeliusg]

How soon do you want to have your system ready? If it's a build it by next week kind of thing, I would go with a new generation AMD card: R9 290 and above. AMD has done poorly in DCS in the past, but that is primarily because of their poor DX9 driver implementation. As EDGE is supposed to be DX11, AMD is your best performer for the cost right now.

 

Your system seems kind of old, so you may be eager to build a new one. If that's the case, I would put money on my advice. You've waited this long however, if cost or value is an issue you may want to wait for the new cards in a few (or more) months. The new ones will perform even better, no doubt, and the old ones will be discounted. Though, keep in mind the opportunity cost of not having an enjoyable system in the meantime. Waiting on computer hardware is never a very profitable idea in my opinion, especially if you are not building ultra-high-end.

[joey45]

Keep saving until the specs are announced that way all the goodies will be out and you'll have a better system then you would have now..

 

 

Like I am..

[Maverick-X]

Any news on this? I'm planning on upgrading my video card and tend to buy a 2GB version of the 770; I'd bite my ass off if EDGE needs more / can use 4GB :-P

[Falcon_S]

This question was asked many times but no one gave an answer. I really don`t understand why testers not to say that how their PC `s run with EDGE and what kind of machines have. Many of them place the pictures but no one is talking about performance although we constantly ask. Some taboo?

 

I hope that this my PC will be able to run EDGE around 24fps: CPU QuadCore@3.6GHz, 8Gb memory and GeForce GTX550ti.

 

If not I leave this sim because it really does not make sense for every new version compulsory purchase a new PC. Simple.

[NeilWillis]

They do not say because

 

A) all information is currently subject to NDA.

 

B) Who says that the current version will be the one that gets released, and as such all information is subject to change. Do you want to spend money on hardware now, only to find it isn't suitable when Edge is released?

 

It's hardly rocket science is it!

[GeorgeLKMT]

This question was asked many times but no one gave an answer. I really don`t understand why testers not to say that how their PC `s run with EDGE and what kind of machines have. Many of them place the pictures but no one is talking about performance although we constantly ask. Some taboo?

 

It's called NDA and it's there for a reason ;) If they comment on such things now and it'll be different at release, we'll get tons of classic "you promised that and we got this" comments.

Second thing is that this information would be absolutely useless at the moment. EDGE is not complete and performance of half-done engine tells you nothing about the final product.

[sobek]

It's called NDA and it's there for a reason ;) If they comment on such things now and it'll be different at release, we'll get tons of classic "you promised that and we got this" comments.

Second thing is that this information would be absolutely useless at the moment. EDGE is not complete and performance of half-done engine tells you nothing about the final product.

 

It's far more than just "half done" but basically, yeah.

 

Many of them place the pictures but no one is talking about performance although we constantly ask.

 

Show me one tester that has posted a screenshot of EDGE that wasn't previously released officially.

[Fenderalac]

Someone from the dev team stated that one of the main reasons for EDGE is improved framerates, so I dont see a reason for upgrading your rigs.

[Falcon_S]

...Show me one tester that has posted a screenshot of EDGE that wasn't previously released officially.

 

Ok, I misspoke regarding pictures, I did not mean to testers and understand NDA. But, do we have some EDGE images on forum? I mean, can that people say anything about curently performances, at least approximately... Yes, indeed we are interested in. I belief that the current simulator is not graphically optimized and I think that the our existing PC configurations will easier to breathe with EDGE. Maybe I'm wrong but that's why it is important to us and we want to know something.

 

But OK, we will see...

[Devrim]

I have a supposition. :P

 

We watch Wags's videos captured in EDGE. I glance at Wags's system specs:

i7 4770K, 8 GB RAM, GTX 780ti, Windows 8.1, and 512 GB SSD.

Maybe, at least this can be a hint for us?

[outlawal2]

This question was asked many times but no one gave an answer. I really don`t understand why testers not to say that how their PC `s run with EDGE and what kind of machines have. Many of them place the pictures but no one is talking about performance although we constantly ask. Some taboo?

 

I hope that this my PC will be able to run EDGE around 24fps: CPU QuadCore@3.6GHz, 8Gb memory and GeForce GTX550ti.

 

If not I leave this sim because it really does not make sense for every new version compulsory purchase a new PC. Simple.

 

This is a blatant exaggeration... No update to DCS has required a "New Machine" to run... And I doubt that EDGE will either.. On the contrary, I am betting that EDGE will run BETTER on your existing hardware than it does right now due to the DX11 improvements.. (Or at least as well)

[sobek]

I mean, can that people say anything about curently performances, at least approximately...

 

I doubt they'd want to, because if anything changed the community would eat them alive.

[Maverick-X]

I don't think it would be a problem to release a first estimate with a sentence like "Current recommendations, WIP - might change to release"; but then yes... many people are quite narrow minded and might still be upset if it changes

[outlawal2]

I don't think it would be a problem to release a first estimate with a sentence like "Current recommendations, WIP - might change to release"; but then yes... many people are quite narrow minded and might still be upset if it changes

 

HaHa... Sorry, but you need to take a quick look at pretty much any thread in this forum as they are FILLED with information that was stated and then changed for whatever reason and the pitch forks and torches came out immediately...

 

No, it is pretty much the only reasonable thing for ED to do to simply keep mum until they have a stable release and THEN provide some hard data for folks..

 

Look at it this way... Imagine if ED had released specs when they said EDGE was originally going to be released... The recommendation would be several years old and just how many changes would have been made in that time... (And imagine how ticked you would be spending your hard earned dollar on specs provided only to find that when it was released your hardware was no longer relevant... OUCH...)

 

Nope, they need to wait and unfortuantely we have to wait for them...

Edited August 4, 2014 by outlawal2

[Godzila]

We won`t know what exact specs should be, but it was announced that it will still use only two CPU cores, DX11 and will support dual graphic cards.

 

I am thinking that for my budget build I will be good with G3258 with overclock to 4,2+ ghz, motherboard with Z97 chipset, 8GB of ram and nVidia 760 4GB. This should be good even now for single 24 monitor with another monitor for MFCDs.

 

I am hoping that CV version of oculus rift will become reality and will upgrade further then. Probably to 16GB dual channel RAM and add another graphic card, which will be hopefully cheaper then. Either for oculus rift, 4k monitor, small TV or multimonitor. I will see what future brings us. If it turns out, that my decision about CPU will bottleneck me later I can still upgrade to fastest i5 or i7 on same motherboard. Since I don`t use my computer for anything that needs more than 2 cores that probably won`t happen and my rig should be good for few years.

 

I think that I can`t miss with this. Intel is pretty strong now, and probably will be in the near future. With graphics AMD showed that it doesn`t care for old or small market games. I think that right now buying AMD cpu or graphics doesn`t have good price/performance ratio.

 

I also thing that current engine is killing performance and as someone else said here, tries to turn square wheels with brute force. After EDGE comes out someone with more than 3ghz per core, 8+ GB of ram and good (300+ USD) graphic card (probably any brand) wouldn`t need to upgrade anything for normal frames with single monitor.

 

I am no expert, I just recently started to show interest in PC hardware again, so hopefully no one will believe my opinions 100%, because they are only opinions.

[outlawal2]

We won`t know what exact specs should be, but it was announced that it will still use only two CPU cores, DX11 and will support dual graphic cards.

 

I am thinking that for my budget build I will be good with G3258 with overclock to 4,2+ ghz, motherboard with Z97 chipset, 8GB of ram and nVidia 760 4GB. This should be good even now for single 24 monitor with another monitor for MFCDs.

 

I am hoping that CV version of oculus rift will become reality and will upgrade further then. Probably to 16GB dual channel RAM and add another graphic card, which will be hopefully cheaper then. Either for oculus rift, 4k monitor, small TV or multimonitor. I will see what future brings us. If it turns out, that my decision about CPU will bottleneck me later I can still upgrade to fastest i5 or i7 on same motherboard. Since I don`t use my computer for anything that needs more than 2 cores that probably won`t happen and my rig should be good for few years.

 

I think that I can`t miss with this. Intel is pretty strong now, and probably will be in the near future. With graphics AMD showed that it doesn`t care for old or small market games. I think that right now buying AMD cpu or graphics doesn`t have good price/performance ratio.

 

I also thing that current engine is killing performance and as someone else said here, tries to turn square wheels with brute force. After EDGE comes out someone with more than 3ghz per core, 8+ GB of ram and good (300+ USD) graphic card (probably any brand) wouldn`t need to upgrade anything for normal frames with single monitor.

 

I am no expert, I just recently started to show interest in PC hardware again, so hopefully no one will believe my opinions 100%, because they are only opinions.

 

That all sounds like solid advice, the only thing I will mention (And it is a bit of a gamble) is that AMD support SHOULD be much better in EDGE simply due to the fact that EDGE will be DX11 and that has been the main stumbling block for AMD cards is that DCS has been DX9 and AMD hasn't supported DX9 with their newer cards... This makes the new AMD video card offerings much more attractive once EDGE arrives..

 

Just a thought... (And for the record I bought an Nvidia GTX770 Ti despite what I just typed)

 

Kind of the "Devil you know" mentality...

[NeilWillis]

So when DX13 comes along, will there be support for DX11? Stick with a known performer, and let the ones who fail, fail.

[outlawal2]

So when DX13 comes along, will there be support for DX11? Stick with a known performer, and let the ones who fail, fail.

 

Well to be fair DX9 IS really old, but I hear what you are saying...

[Godzila]

We won`t know what exact specs should be, but it was announced that it will still use only two CPU cores, DX11 and will support dual graphic cards.

 

I am thinking that for my budget build I will be good with G3258 with overclock to 4,2+ ghz, motherboard with Z97 chipset, 8GB of ram and nVidia 760 4GB. This should be good even now for single 24 monitor with another monitor for MFCDs.

 

 

Quoting myself, but anyway:doh:

 

I bought and installed components described above. I didn't even OC processor, since I only set up the system and DCS hours ago.

 

It is a bad benchmark, nothing professional. I tried missions which caused problems. I am no game engine expert, but I learned what kills DCS performance.

 

Huey Target practice

AMD athlon 64 6000+, 5GB ram, Nvidia GTS 250 1GB:

worst 5 FPS, best 15 FPS

 

Above setup:

lowest 30 FPS, best 70 FPS

 

Best case scenarios came from 60 FPS to 170 FPS.

 

Graphic card came first, so i tested with GTX 760 4GB vs GTS 250, and it performed even worse. I didn't even have multimonitor since the card didn't have right connector. I've lost 20% performance with less demand from game engine.

 

I could test this all night, but I think there is no need. DCS runs satisfactory with this cheap setup. I will test further when I finish installation of all regular programs. I would test unofficial benchmark mission which was posted somewhere on this forum, but I never bought A10C. That would be a really good comparison to i5 and i7 systems.

 

I will update this post after I install all SW that kills performance (free track, Exported MFCDs), but I don't expect it to be really bad, especially after overclock.

 

 

If there is anybody in a position like mine, having too old system to wait for tech to change I really recommend making upgrade like this. It will hold for a little while, and you will have little or no loss of money after changing CPU, adding RAM and going SLI.

[BitMaster]

Isn't the current AMD card a Watt-Monster compared to equally performing Nvidia cards ?

 

IIRR, that new R290(x) needs about 480 Watts..... JESUS !!!

 

Not that I complain, I just pay 30 Eurocent per kW/h and estimating the cost just to run that card 2h a day over a year makes me think if not NV would be better.

 

Apart from that, NV has a far better driver support IMHO. Whenever you also think about Linux on your machine, NV would be the better choice. But that only applies for Multi-OS scenarios.

 

 

From what I can say now, I will wait till EDGE comes out and see from there. If my laptop would die and I had to buy a new machine I would go with this setup that I built 3 times this month for friends: Asus Z97 - Intel-i7 - NV780GTX ( no Ti ), 16GB, SSD, Win7-64, you can't be wrong with this I guess.

 

The Palit SuperJetStream 780GTX is almost zero noise, I test played DCS for an hour with ALL at max and I couldn't even hear the rig that sat beside me, I was soooo amazed on how quiet it runs

I tossed my believe ( that was hammered in stone ) that gaming PC's are always loud and noisy.

My MBP is far louder and if money would allow I might be tempted to get one just because of the almost zero noise while gaming ( I have my laptop in a corner of my living room and kitchen command doesn't think its funny when my Laptop is louder than the TV... so I have to schedule my flights after the TV evenings when I am alone... with this new rig I could play whenever I wanted and not when I am just NOT disturbing somebody.

 

Bit

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