Lancaster/Lancester?

[ericoh]

Hi there, the notes under the gunsite say "Lancester". Shouldnt that be "Lancaster?

 

Enlighten me if thats any weird speciality. :thumbup:

 

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Lancaster

 

 

Greetings.

[NineLine]

See reference photos, that is how it was on the real thing... blame the German education system in the 40's

[ericoh]

See reference photos, that is how it was on the real thing... blame the German education system in the 40's

 

 

Are we sure it was generaly written wrong? Or in 1 aircraft?

 

Dont find any reference in a quick google wth.

Edited August 6, 2014 by ericoh

[NineLine]

In the reference photo it was written like that, thats all I know. I am ok with having it like that... I dunno... it adds character if that sounds weird.

[Aginor]

Actually that might even be a correct spelling. The spelling "Lancester" is sometimes found in older German texts. It's also pronounced differently, sounding like if an English speaker says "Lunnzester".

IIRC it refers to the french spelling for the House Lancaster during the Wars of the Roses. People knew it from their history classes.

[NineLine]

Yeah, I wasnt sure about that either, if it was something to do with the German language... either way, I am ok with it.

[Sharpe]

I googled the gunsite a while back as I didn't believe it would have a mention of a Hurricane that late in the war. What came up was a site where you could order spec build replicas of both the revi and the Askania.

 

in any case; feel free to check this out: https://www.google.nl/search?q=askania+ez42&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=_zfiU4fCNMe3PLfFgMgM&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1745&bih=875

 

along with this: http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/b/Beobachtungsgereate/EZ/EZ%2040/EZ%2040%20Visier.html

[NineLine]

Yes that was the picture...

 

[ericoh]

Yes that was the picture...

 

Cool thanks.

 

P.S.: FYI Lancester/Lancaster has nothing to do with the German language. The name stays the same. I guess the crew just didnt know better.

[Aginor]

Cool thanks.

 

P.S.: FYI Lancester/Lancaster has nothing to do with the German language. The name stays the same. I guess the crew just didnt know better.

 

Why not? That spelling does exist in old German sources, and the Germans tend to use their own spellings and pronunciations for lots of things. Pretty much the same way we used to write "Neu York" instead of "New York" (actually York was even frequently spelled Jork), Moskau instead the phonetically better "Moskva", and "Peking" instead "Beijing".

 

House Lancaster became "Lancester" pretty much the same way like house Bourbon became "Borbonen" in lots of written sources between the 15th and 20th century.

Using the original names is something that in most cases happened since the 50s.

 

Btw: not only German language does that, but before WWII German was known to do it extremely often, compared to now.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Aginor

[ericoh]

I dont find any information if it was spelled different back then, it certainly isnt today. vOv Im gonna belive you. Just seemed confusing to me.

[fjacobsen]

Mosquito is also spelled Moskito.

 

FinnJ

[Aginor]

That's just the German version of Mosquito.

 

As for the Lancester: On the Internet it is hard to find because such old books are normally transcribed into modern spelling when they are digitalized. But you can find the old one still in names for things (Lancesterrose for example, but even that one is more commonly Lancesterrose) or people's names. Lots of different spellings exist for it.

 

So yeah, it is uncommon, but it may still be accurate.

[fjacobsen]

I don´t doubt that it´s accurate.

 

I just pointed to the Mosquito to emphasise that the spelling of Lancester probably was a "germanisation".

 

 

FinnJ

[NineLine]

They didnt have google to look up the spelling back then...

[Flagrum]

They didnt have google to look up the spelling back then...

Yeah, because they always got a 404 error when they typed in "www.gugel.de" ;oD

Edited August 6, 2014 by Flagrum
lol, dat website ... just actually checked it ... somehow fitting, eh?

[the_soupdragon]

LOL

[ericoh]

Zem silly shermans.

[Eldur]

Yes that was the picture...

 

 

Here's some more of them:

 

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/instrumente/katalog/kopien/Kopie%20Revi%20EZ%2042.htm

 

Also, the Mosquito isn't written in her original spelling, but well, that's the exact German translation at least :)

[PE_Tigar]

Funny how they didn't even bother with Soviet fighters - it's just a generic "Russian fighter" and off you go :).

[NeilWillis]

Funny how they didn't even bother with Soviet fighters - it's just a generic "Russian fighter" and off you go :).

 

I was surprised at that too. I have a horrible feeling there was a very simple explanation for it, but I don't think any such debate is either appropriate or necessary as it is all long past history, and thankfully we live (hopefully) in more enlightened times.

[DB 605]

I was surprised at that too. I have a horrible feeling there was a very simple explanation for it, but I don't think any such debate is either appropriate or necessary as it is all long past history, and thankfully we live (hopefully) in more enlightened times.

 

I'm pretty sure it's that way just because pretty much all russian fighters have wingspan about ten metres.

[Aginor]

Yeah, I guess it just doesn't matter too much, the russian fighters of that era don't differed that much in wingspan.

Also they probably just didn't expect to encounter them that much anyway, compared with the other planes on the list.

[NeilWillis]

I guess it is possible that they had separate data on the Eastern and Western fronts, and it is possible that they sent the Dora West to counter the strategic bomber offensive. It'd be interesting to explore that more deeply. Does anyone have any data supporting or contradicting that?

[WinterH]

Just checked wingspans of Yak-1, Yak-7, Yak-9, Yak-3, La-5 and La-7. Yak-3 is 9.3 meters and Yak-1 and 7 are 10m and the rest are 9.7 and 9.8. Seeing minimum setting on the dial is 10 anyway, it looks appropriate to just set 10m for Russian fighters.

 

Didn't check it but I think only the MiG-3 had larger wingspan but it was long obsolete by Dora's time already.