Take off problems.

[Delta6Actual76]

I can't take this plane off. If I do an instant action takeoff, the plane will get 100 feet up and have the engine suddenly seize, or the plane will torque itself upside down no matter how much right aileron I use. I turned off the auto rudder and take off assistance. I've had 2 good takeoffs, and everything else is a disaster. It's so damn frustrating it's almost not worth playing. I've watched some tutorials and followed them to the T. Still all I get are shit results. I've been flying sims for years, I've never had anything remotely close to this difficult. I wish I knew what I was doing wrong.

[leapingrodent]

Post a track maybe? If we can see what you're doing we might see where you're going wrong.

[ophiuchus]

Please provide a track with one of your failed attepmts. It will be easier to help if we knew which parts are most challenging for you. I don't own a rudder pedals but somehow I manage to take her off the ground, and I'm rather clumsy ;) I hope you're not forgetting to set prop pitch to auto, and try not to exceed 2500 RPM.

[SlipBall]

she needs immediate and full power to 1.35 ATA or so(no slow gradual increase),... at least that's what works for me

Edited December 5, 2014 by GT 5.0

[Delta6Actual76]

Thanks for the advice guys! I was wondering, what kind of controller do you guys use. I have an old logitech extreme 3d pro. No rudder pedals or anything. Shouldl I upgrade?

Edited December 5, 2014 by Delta6Actual76

[leapingrodent]

Well if you're serious about flying these WW2 aircraft then I strongly recommend some rudder pedals, you can get decent ones for a reasonable price these days.

[SlipBall]

I use CH products.. throttle, their rudder pedals, and their fighter stick...they last a long time so you could buy them used on e-bay, or over at the CH forum

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[fastfreddie]

So far it seems easier than the Dora but its different for everyone. Trim full nose down, open radiator, and when it lifts off push the nose down because this bird really wants to climb. Auto on the prop and don't exceed 2500 rpm like others have said.

[nick10]

Betcha you are forgetting to set the prop pitch to auto.

[Delta6Actual76]

@ nick10, I did set the prop pitch to automated. I just don't understand how a plane can flip inverted on takeoff, almost instantly.

[nick10]

U got auto rudder and take off assistance off?

[outlawal2]

@ nick10, I did set the prop pitch to automated. I just don't understand how a plane can flip inverted on takeoff, almost instantly.

 

Yep I feel yer pain my friend.. I have set the prop to auto and roll the throttle on until a little bit of speed is attained and never get past 2500 RPM... Keeping the beast straight is not easy, but I have been able to do it, but just about the time the plane gets enough speed to lift off it will veer to the side (usually to the left and drag the wing) I then fight with it until a fiery death amid a flaming end over end tumbling fireball. Quite spectacular really.. If I am very lucky, I can get the plane to lift off only to have it do a snap roll into the ground... (Ending once again in an end over end fireball..)

 

I think this plane is the REAL reason Germany lost the friggin war...

HELP! :helpsmilie::helpsmilie::helpsmilie::helpsmilie:

 

EDIT: and yes auto rudder is off, takeoff assistance is off and auto prop is set..

[leapingrodent]

Try applying a lot of right rudder before you advance the throttle and keep it there til you pick up some speed, then the rudder is a lot more responsive, the plane is very controlable during the takeoff roll once you get used to it.

[fastfreddie]

Good thing is its easier to land than the Dora lol.

[Sarge55]

After many flaming wrecks and frustration I have put together a method which seems to work for me. I've drawn from the many posts on this subject so credit goes to all those who have posted their methods.

 

Settings prior to hitting the throttle:

Auto pitch, trim to +1, Flaps 20 deg, tail wheel locked, full right rudder, 1/4 right stick and slightly back.

 

Smooth/fast throttle to 2500 RPM, watch it as the RPM does start to drop a bit as you go, try to keep it at 2500. As speed increases start to ease off the rudder (but not all the way) to keep it pointing down the runway. You need less rudder as the tail comes up and there is more effect on the tail. This is something I needed to practice to get the right feel but it comes pretty quick once you do it the first time, you get the knack of how quickly to ease off.

 

Once airborne slowly go to neutral stick and rudder (you may have to jostle them a bit to keep level). Gear up and then flaps once stable and climbing.

 

Good luck. I think I destroyed over 100 aircraft getting to this point. Lol. Never flew the P-51 trainer this is my first foray into the WWII planes. Quite the introduction...

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

well, i dont know what its like to take off with the 109 without rudder pedals.does your stick have a twist stick function at least?if not, then i would definitely recommend you to get rudder pedals!

 

although, you seemed to have managed to get her off already so lets see where you usually fail.and that seems to be the very last part of the take off procedure.so, make sure before taking off that you have her trimmed fully nose down.apply full power, or at least 1.4 ata with the throttle.and as soon as she gets some speed and lifts the tail push the stick slightly forward and slightly to the right.and keep it there.

[Yob]

I have found helping another member of the 487th to take off, you must attain 150/200 Kph before trying to get off the ground which alleviates the problem with a wing droping on takeoff.

 

as for going side to side, take off assist and auto rudder on or off.

 

And putting flaps down i have found helps keep straight. i dont need flaps but it can help. the other thing is to put trim full nose down.

 

apart from that i dont know how to help :(

[NeilWillis]

The wing dropping seems to me to be the aircraft stalling, so just keep it on the ground for longer. There is a huge increase in pitch just after take off, which will induce a stall too, so try hard to keep that under control. Once you have plenty of airspeed it'll soon settle down.

[Kelevra]

The 109 really want to get into the air, even if the right speed hasn't been reached, to compensate I trim a bit nose heavy, also it is better for normal TO not to use any flaps, which make the plane tail heavy. Also it's good to apply small amount of right rudder, plus stick center right.

 

Also prior to TO I set the blade's pitch to 12 o'Clock (29°), then once airborne, I set the pitch back to automatic.

 

All the trick is to wait t'ill you get sufficient speed and whilst on the ground playing with your rudder (not breaks) to keep inline with the RWY.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Kelevra

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

You need to use Manual Prop Pitch control, and set prop pitch to 12:00.

 

After takeoff, above 150', set Auto prop pitch control again. The Governor in automatic mode will set the prop pitch at higher AoA, increasing the torque effect. In Manual mode and pitch set at 12:00, gyro effects will be more noticeable but these are easier to overcome :)

[9.JG52 Ziegler]

The key for me has been to keep the tail down with back pressure on the stick until you have almost reached flying speed. Then ease the stick to neutral and she'll fly off. Right rudder to counter act torque per usual. I fly it (take off) similar to the Dora which needs the stick back to lock tail wheel. It doesn't like (DCS version) to be up on the mains as they are narrow and you'll tend to drag a wing.

[Delta6Actual76]

OK, I have tried and tried and tried. I have the auto rudder and takeoff assistance off. Prop automation on. Full nose down trim. Some right rudder. Some nose down and right aileron. RPM not exceeding 2500. 20 degrees flaps to no flaps. The aircraft tracks fairly nicely down the runway. The tail comes up. Wheels leave the ground. AIRCRAFT FLIPS INVERTED IN LESS THAN A SECOND AND CRASHES. I'm not a professional pilot (especially not an ME-109 pilot) nor an aeronautical engineer, but this HAS to be impossible. IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, WHAT THE F#@$ AM I DOING WRONG? Now might be a good time to ask how to post a video of a takeoff. I know how to save a track, how do I post it here?

[fastfreddie]

I'd say use no flaps at all ... this bird needs no help lifting off the ground. It sounds like you're letting it leave the ground too rapidly and its stalling. Apply forward pressure on the stick after you let the tail up and slowly let up but allow the plane to force itself off the ground. It will be more of a straight line with slow ascent takeoff but you should have control. Just remember to have the rpm set to 1230 position and put back into auto. I'm no DCS expert but I've only crashed this plane once on takeoffs and it was in the same way your describing.

[msalama]

WHAT THE F#@$ AM I DOING WRONG?

 

A faulty contoller binding perhaps? You should check there's nothing but the JS assigned to the roll axis.

[ZaltysZ]

IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, WHAT THE F#@$ AM I DOING WRONG?

 

You flip, because you stall the aircraft. Nose down trim is not enough in most cases. Try taking of with stick slightly forward. Center it briefly for leaving the ground and then push it slightly forward to stay level until you pick more speed.