Ice Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 Watch Taipan's last 2 AIM120's fired at my Su33 Nice flying Taipan S!
GGTharos Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 Ahem. Missiles need fixing. This is a fact. ;) I will -agree- that people should -not- be complaining -specifically- about the AMRAAM. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pilotasso Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 OK OK You convinced me I wont complain again...much :D .
S77th-GOYA Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 Whatever is in that track doesn't change all the 120s that have missed head-on bandits in the NEZ.
355th_Paulie Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 Complain, complain..... Y'all should stop complaining, there's not enough cheese to go with all that whine. Enjoy this sim and be thankfull there's a sim, and a crew developing, and improving it, like we have nowadays........ sjeeeez. :D
hitman Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 Heres a thought that burst thru my mind...and shoot me if you don think it is a good idea...but since EVERYONE believes the amraam is porked why not let the servers lope RVV-ae onto the -15's? It will be that much more of a balance to the noobs and everyone can pretend that they are amraams. I know I know..dumb thoughts...this is why i dont have many friends!! :D These are the things i think about when Im at home and the power goes out.
GGTharos Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 The are exactly two differences between the 120 and the 77 in LO. Burn time and top speed. That's -it-. The sensors are identical. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Force_Feedback Posted April 6, 2006 Posted April 6, 2006 The are exactly two differences between the 120 and the 77 in LO. Burn time and top speed. That's -it-. The sensors are identical. The Rvv-ae is draggier too. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Reaper-6 Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 For those that complain about the AIM120 Hair on the wall... Blood in the street... The crush of bone ' neath my feet.
Kenan Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 I don't care about Amraam being porked, as long as my ET is doing just fine against all those "wtf?" Eagle jocks. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World
Ice Posted April 7, 2006 Author Posted April 7, 2006 I'd have to say most of you have "assumed" i was complaining about the deficiency of the AIM120. Watch the track and you might see what my post is really about
Ice Posted April 7, 2006 Author Posted April 7, 2006 The are exactly two differences between the 120 and the 77 in LO. Burn time and top speed. That's -it-. The sensors are identical. Im not sure I agree with you. The AIM120 picks up targets at a much wider FOV when maddogged.
GGTharos Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 You don't have to agree with me ... ask ED. It is possible that the 77 misses more targets due to its speed. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Crusty Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 You only have to take a look at the nubi il2 forums to realise that whinging is endless and futile, at the end of the day some systems will have some advantages over other systems, and opinions on what is "REALISTIC" are as varied as the posters taste in wimmin, I dont do AA I stick to my flying tractor and enjoy the challenge of staying alive in a server packed with fighter jocks who will find me easy pray.....I usually die quick, but my ego is just fine with that..for me, its just a bit of fun:D oo err...missus:animals_bunny: ** Anti-Pastie**
Swede Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 There are more then one F-15 out there and god knows how many AIM-120 they throwed at you. What kind of Shocks me is that you keept pressing forward. I havent played Lock on much and know very little about russian missiles. I only know what I need to know. When they fire at you, you better do defensive right away and backout and try again. I have a lot of time in other aviation simulations and the general feeling that I got is that the AIM-120 is a bit undersimulated. If this tactics (keep pressing forward) are commonly used by the experts of the Mig-29 and Su-27, 33 etc, then its worse then I though. A note though.... I tend to fly both the F-15 and Su, but my lack of knowelage of the russian missiles and avionics etc I tend to fly the F-15 and are more successfull with the F-15 as well then in the Mig / Su's. The times I have flow online I have to drop all of my loads on 1 guy to keep pressing him and then hopefully kill him with AIM-9's. Also in those situations the oponent didnt go defensive in any way.
Pilotasso Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 You don't have to agree with me ... ask ED. It is possible that the 77 misses more targets due to its speed. I made tests and concluded that the R-77 misses more if used as a sidwinder while the AMRAAM kills better under 3 miles (but thats not what I want it to do LOL ;) ). Above that the R-77 has better PK because it gets to target faster giving less room and time for dodging it. Also human oponents usualy understimates it thinking its a 120 and take insuficient evasive actions or do it too late. It is harder to outrun or drag it. .
Andrew_McP Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 I can't understand why people still get bothered about these things. Most weapons in LOMAC are fictional and always will be. Nobody really knows how the hardware would perform in reality, so dissimilar combat is meaningless and tells you nothing about your skill levels. If folk want a real test of their skills they fly against each other using the same aircraft and the same weapons. Then the only variable is the pilot, no more "Wah! It's the missile's fault!" or "Wah! The turning circle's wrong!" No more hiding behind the hardware, just raw, uncomfortable truth about your talent as a virtual pilot. IMO obviously. ;-) Andrew McP
Pilotasso Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 I can't understand why people still get bothered about these things. Most weapons in LOMAC are fictional and always will be. Nobody really knows how the hardware would perform in reality, so dissimilar combat is meaningless and tells you nothing about your skill levels. If folk want a real test of their skills they fly against each other using the same aircraft and the same weapons. Then the only variable is the pilot, no more "Wah! It's the missile's fault!" or "Wah! The turning circle's wrong!" No more hiding behind the hardware, just raw, uncomfortable truth about your talent as a virtual pilot. IMO obviously. ;-) Andrew McP I dont think its quite like that. You can still have weapons modeled in such a way that you can practice real world tactics and have fun. No matter if the missiles mimic the exact drag or speed for altitude or sensor capabilities, you can still have reasonable duplicates of the real thing within certain limitations. Its no point to arrive to the front and spam you missiles blindly into the air in the hope they will work as aereal mines. And then all the fun is gone. youll no longer positioning for the best shot but rather Spamming your own and hope not collide with the mines all the time. For that I would have bought "asteroids" and never had left it. ;) Fun on tactics with dissilimilar combat is the strong part of this game and what it sets apart from the others. .
UWBuRn Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 Ahem. Missiles need fixing. This is a fact. ;) I will -agree- that people should -not- be complaining -specifically- about the AMRAAM. Frankly speaking, should we expect an improvement of this situation with 1.2?
Pilotasso Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 You can bet the missiles (even the planes) will behave differently. every patch has donne so and 1.2 will be no different. .
UWBuRn Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 Behave different ok, i just hope that rdr missiles doesn't get nerfed again making the f-15, wich basically use only them (in RL f-15 if you get so close to use the sidewinder probably you've done something wrong), an useless plane.
GGTharos Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 About the only way radar missiles can be nerfed more would be to remove their guidance :D This 'nerfing' was not intentional. The actual intention was to make the missiles more realistic, and unfortunately it didn't work out as expected due to some complex interactions of game objects. It will be looked at, when, I don't know, but it -will- be looked at. WAFM probably after 1.2, but maybe we will get some sensor fix in 1.2. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
UWBuRn Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 Sensor fix would be already good. WAFM of course will be better but i think that some parameter that now is screwed up should enable us to get an acceptable level of simulation while we wait for WAFM. ;)
Pilotasso Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 Exactly! said the same numerous times these past days. GG You guys usualy take up beta testers to see the vices of the net code during online test sessions? .
GGTharos Posted April 7, 2006 Posted April 7, 2006 Yes, we do, as much as we can. Obviously it's still possible to miss something, but we actually stamp out a lot more bugs than we miss. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
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