Why so many keys for one action?

[PiedDroit]

One possibility to mitigate the problem (of not having physical switches) is to create a snapview centered on the armament panel (or radar panel, etc), and map a joystick button to this snapview.

 

In flight, while looking somewhere (e.g. a bogey), you could bring the snapview using the joystick button, click on the appropriate switch with the mouse (using the other hand) then go back to your normal view.

The use of snapview should allow you not to lose sight.

 

I don't know if it's workable, I'll try it tonight.

 

Turns out it's VERY workable, I wrote a tutorial here: HOW TO: Use snapviews to easily manipulate the cockpit switches while keeping sight

[Sokol1_br]

I find a good solution for turn Mig-21 Weapon Selector without "high end" HOTAS or specific hardware, using one 'stick button.

 

 

Using the keymaper Xpadder, one HAT corner send the 1...9,0,- sequence.

 

The problem with this is that after some flights/re-flighs you dont know what is the last position in Xpadder, so I insert the Caps Lock key after '5' and ' -', and so know that when the keyb' LED became ON the selector should be in the 1st position of AA sector, when became OFF are in the 1st position of AG sector. Work good.

 

EDIT - More practical way - clockwise and counterclockwise - with 2 joy' button in Joy2Key:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=145398

Edited September 4, 2015 by Sokol1_br
add info

[GriffonBR]

Well, after many requests and bad reputations on my account...

 

Replaced multiple existing inputs with toggle inputs.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=146655

 

Thank you Leatherneck team. And thank you to the other users that supported me if this matter.:thumbup:

[Pizzicato]

Why "replaced" instead of "in addition to"?

 

I hope this doesn't screw up things up for HOTAS programming. Toggles are a pain in the ass for getting horribly out of sync. :(

[Dudikoff]

I hope so, too. If anything, we need more keys (e.g. IIRC the Ka-50 has only toggles which are next to useless for my new switch panel), not less :)

[Exorcet]

Why "replaced" instead of "in addition to"?

 

I hope this doesn't screw up things up for HOTAS programming. Toggles are a pain in the ass for getting horribly out of sync. :(

Yes, it would be a shame if the problem went from one group to another. Outside of technical limitations, I don't see why you'd remove an established and already functioning system.

 

There should be as many options as possible ideally.

[Uther]

Replaced is rather worrying. I hope it is in addition to the existing system rather than just 'replaced'...

[Krupi]

Yes this is of major concern to me too, it is unfair to forget about one group in favour of another I love the immersion that the current system gives me..

 

Please can we have some clarification!?

[streakeagle]

As long as I can manually create the button functionality I need, I don't mind the change.

But if the ability to operate switches is limited to only toggles rather than matching the state of actual switches, this is a step backwards.

Per above, I would much prefer the addition of toggle functionality for those that want or need it to replacing functionality that I am currently using with toggle inputs.

 

If I can't operate the MiG-21 with the switch mapping I currently have, I will be greatly disappointed.

[Pizzicato]

Can we get some clarification on this please, LN?

 

Please tell us that you haven't removed the base functionality...

[FeistyLemur]

The lack of clarification or any comment at all is definitely nerve wracking, particularly as I'm having a 1/8 thick steel plate cnc cut for my authentic mig21 themed toggle panel this week.

[Woots]

Don't like that some commands dont have the option to map to a joystick.

[Nereid]

Don't like that some commands dont have the option to map to a joystick.

 

Well.... buy a better joystick then. Any good HOTAS will give you the option to map keys or a combination of keypresses and releases in any order to any button of the stick or throttle.

[xaoslaad]

I'd for one love to see a weapon select increase/decrease in addition to the 1-0 and - keys.

 

Mapping 11 buttons where two, or even one in a desperate pinch, could do the job is crazy. I have an encoder (works in the same way that this switch does - spins infinitely in either direction) that would be perfect for this function.

 

To be clear I am not arguing that the other 11 should necessarily go away, but having an option to emulate what the left/right click does would be nice.

[tintifaxl]

Well.... buy a better joystick then. Any good HOTAS will give you the option to map keys or a combination of keypresses and releases in any order to any button of the stick or throttle.

 

I own a TM Warthog and can't use TARGET as it has it's issues with stuck CTRL-keys in DCS. Same with the Logitech profiler for my G940.

 

So having the option to map any function within DCS to a joystick button is a must.

[Sokol1_br]

Posted by Woots View Post

Do not like that some commands dont have the option to map to a joystick.

 

Well.... buy a better joystick then. Any good HOTAS will give you the option to map keys or a combination of keypresses and releases in any order to any button of the stick or throttle.

 

Probable he is referring to Mig-21 flaps that in 1.5 came without option to map in joystick buttons - easy fixable editing the LUA file (are some topics about).

 

Anyway is not need buy a "better joystick" to map keys combinations in joy' buttons, are good freeware/shareware (10$) keymappers around like Joy2Key, Xpadder, SVmapper... that to this for any joystick. :thumbup:

 

Sample, Mig-21 weapon selector with 2 joy buttons (+Joy2key): http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=145398

Edited November 3, 2015 by Sokol1_br

[531-Ghost]

Using a combination of Control Manager (CH Products) and controller options in the game I'm having no issues using the following: FighterStick, ProThrottle, Throttle Quadrant and 2 MFPs as well a XKeys Pro USB.

[PiedDroit]

Using a combination of Control Manager (CH Products) and controller options in the game I'm having no issues using the following: FighterStick, ProThrottle, Throttle Quadrant and 2 MFPs as well a XKeys Pro USB.

Same here, I'm using TARGET with only keyboard mappings, no issues at all.

(Gear, flaps, IR/SAR switches are mapped on it).

[WildBillKelsoe]

It is meant for cockpit or panel builders. I feel you but alot of people like to build panels and full cockpits. I think a toggle for all keys should be listed under Mig-21 Sim Limited. That way guys with limited controlling can still use it, and guys with panel building skills still use it.

 

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[Johnny Dioxin]

To be honest I disagree somewhat. I found flying the plane a chore, and god help you if you don't have a full HOTAS. Then I made some autohotkey scripts and now I can fly it just as easily on a logitech Extreme 3D as my X52 pro and other systems. For me the extra controls just get in the way of actually using and employing the systems. Since then it's become one of my favourite and most flown modules.

 

It's all well and good that the real plane has several actions to raise the landing gear and whatever else, but the differences in ergonomics and memorisation between a flip switch with 3 positions and being able to interact with it by hand instead of mouse, are already quite different and then having 3 separate keyboard commands when a toggle would be fine for many of them... doesn't really enhance the simulation or gameplay for me, it does just what you suggest it does - create more busywork.

 

I have to agree with the original poster that the excessive separation of keybinds is rather annoying. Theoretically it should be beneficial for making a sim pit or the like - and certainly it made the autohotkey script a lot simpler because I don't need to care about what state things are in and just tell it to go directly to a position, but using them directly is a pain.

 

 

Well said - I've been thinking (and sometimes saying) this since release.

 

It's all very well rivet-counting, but a balance needs to be made to cater for the fact that it will be played on a desk PC.

 

Another beef is having one key for lifting a switch cover, then another for flicking the switch. Fine if you want to do it within the cockpit with the virtual finger - but making two separate keys is going a step too far for me.

 

I was on the original Indiegogo for this and was patiently waiting all that time for release with great anticipation - but I've flown it only once and struggle to find the motivation to fly it again - even though I want to - purely on account of the control assignments being a nightmare.

[Dav IRL]

Well said - I've been thinking (and sometimes saying) this since release.

 

It's all very well rivet-counting, but a balance needs to be made to cater for the fact that it will be played on a desk PC.

 

Another beef is having one key for lifting a switch cover, then another for flicking the switch. Fine if you want to do it within the cockpit with the virtual finger - but making two separate keys is going a step too far for me.

 

I was on the original Indiegogo for this and was patiently waiting all that time for release with great anticipation - but I've flown it only once and struggle to find the motivation to fly it again - even though I want to - purely on account of the control assignments being a nightmare.

 

Agreed, I want to fly her but she is a chore without some toggle options.

[Sokol1_br]

If you want these "toggle" for map functions in joystick press buttons (eg. CH joysticks or 3in1 - no Warthog style toggle switches):

 

A toggle function is use the same button twice for do the same thing, in FC 3 style:

Ex. B10 = LG up, B10 = LG down.

 

With little effort, you can do this with 1 joy button, just using a keymapper (HOTAS soft or 3rd part ones) like freeware Xpadder 5.3, mapping a paused sequence:

 

The key assignment was changed without modifier (Alt, Ctrl...) to make easy see the sequence, is not needed.

 

Press the joy button one time, the gear goes up, next time goes down.

 

If you are using "air start", the first press do nothing.

 

BTW - When they try mix "detailed simulation" and "videogame controls", the result can be very weird:

 

 

This is correct done in Mig-15 and Ka-50, not to good in Mig-21 and weird in Fw 190 (better don't have this dumb and useless animation). :D

[majapahit]

This not FC3 mode, at all! FC3 difference with DCS level is not about key bindings only, it's more about avionics simplification.

And I believe that more people would be interested in the aircraft rather than the opposite, if the keyboard mapping were easier to remember.

 

I think the request is not about making over-simplication here - that's what I understood so far, I may be wrong though.

 

Things to be simplified are the switches that require to unlock stuff before (switch cover), and toggles. More like this:

 

If you buy a Warthog HOTAS for 300+ euro

you'll get programming software for free

 

you can then implement programmable macro's in sequence

(havent used it yet, time restraints)

[Johnny Dioxin]

(havent used it yet, time restraints)

 

 

...and that sums it up perfectly!

 

Not that it's a sensible statement in the first place - maybe you were making a joke?

 

In any case, the discussion has turned, time to go.

[Dafiew]

Hey guys I know people requested toggle bindings but why are some of the single bindings gone? Now when I want to operate nav lights with my MFD I have to look outside to see if they are on or off or med etc... :( Pretty annoying since I had a button for each state OFF/MIN/MED/MAX before any one knows if I can get the old system back? When i put my old default LUA in there I get a bunch of red commands :(