Boss86005 Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 Need a F-16! 1 "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the day and night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". --------------------------------------------------------- Intel i-9 9900k @ 5.0 Ghz, EVGA 2080tiFTW3 11Gb, Corsair H115 PRO water cooler, Gigabyte AorusMaster motherboard, EVGA Super Nova 1000 watt G+ powersupply, G.SKILL 64Gb ram @3800 MHz, HP EX 920 M.2 PCIe 3TB,Windows 10Pro x64
Devil 505 Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 Ok, I am down with it guys. I think its the Tomcat too. Been pouring over some old photos just to reassure my doubts because I hate the, its to good to be true scenario, but I am positive she is on the way. Looking forward to the official fly by though.
EngineerFalcon Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 Between the swing wing, the avionics and the fact it will be one of the first dual seat integrations, I just foresee lots of delays. So keeping my hopes restricted to 2017 lets me be either smug or happily surprised. I agree that the RIO seat will take time, but it isn't the first multi-seat aircraft in DCS. The Mi-8 and Huey both have multiple seats, and if I am not mistaken the Hawk should be dual seat too.
Tirak Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 I agree that the RIO seat will take time, but it isn't the first multi-seat aircraft in DCS. The Mi-8 and Huey both have multiple seats, and if I am not mistaken the Hawk should be dual seat too. I said it would be one of the first, and as I was writing it I did think of the L-39, the Hawk, ect. but the simple fact of the matter is that with the helicopters and trainers, the RIO isn't providing a super critical function. The F-14, as was told to me, literally cannot be flown by one person. There are switches and functions that are only accessible to the back seater. His workload combined with the instrumentation that only he will have access to, means that it will be that much more complex to implement it into the game, or so i would imagine.
WildBillKelsoe Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 ! AT-802, AT-802U, AT-802F You Sir, are AWESOME! AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
KesMonkey Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 Like this man has said it is a Tomcat in the picture 100% there can be no doubts about that what so ever. Agreed. I don't see how there can be any doubt or ambiguity. It's a Tomcat. It is definitely a Tomcat.
Grim_Smiles Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 Agreed. I don't see how there can be any doubt or ambiguity. It's a Tomcat. It is definitely a Tomcat. I don't see how it won't be one, but I certainly hope so and not just because I really want an F-14. If anything but a Tomcat is announced the LN forum will look like the final prison battle from The Walking Dead. This community is...enthusiastic. 1 "Hurled headlong flaming from the ethereal sky; With hideous ruin and combustion down; To bottomless perdition, there to dwell; In adamantine chains and penal fire" (RIG info is outdated, will update at some point) i5 @3.7GHz (OC to 4.1), 16GB DDR3, Nvidia GTX 970 4GB, TrackIR 5 & TrackClip Pro, TM Warthog HOTAS, VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV, Razer Blackshark Headset, Obutto Ozone
King_Hrothgar Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 I said it would be one of the first, and as I was writing it I did think of the L-39, the Hawk, ect. but the simple fact of the matter is that with the helicopters and trainers, the RIO isn't providing a super critical function. The F-14, as was told to me, literally cannot be flown by one person. There are switches and functions that are only accessible to the back seater. His workload combined with the instrumentation that only he will have access to, means that it will be that much more complex to implement it into the game, or so i would imagine. From a programming standpoint, I don't think it's any different actually. Think about how the Mi-8 works. It does not have duplicate controls for anything but basic flight. All the weapon, countermeasure, navigation and even engine start up controls are different. You can control all of these with hotkeys or you can change seats in the plane to work them with mouse clicks. The thing is, the latter method only changes the player's PoV, the cockpit itself is not altered or replaced. So the only difference between the Mi-8 cockpit and the much simpler Ka-50 cockpit from a development standpoint is the raw number of switches and dials in it. That means more controls to program and more 3d models to create. It is a difference of quantity, not complexity. The F-14 will work the same way I suspect. Shifting cockpits will probably not load a totally different cockpit, it will merely alter the player's PoV within it. All the additional control and instrument programming will take time to implement of course, but it really isn't what you're thinking it is. I suspect there is a mind numbing amount of copy/paste in there. The swing wings are an interesting issue but as others have mentioned, even that isn't really anything new. Every chopper in the game alters wing sweep drastically, rapidly and at all times during flight. Flaps and slats can significantly alter the wing's geometry as well. So this really is old stuff, just a little bit different spin on it. It may take a day or two to think about how to program in, but it shouldn't be a major hurdle. So I think an F-14 release this year is well within the realm of possibility. I'm sure they've been working on it since last summer while putting the finishing touches on the MiG-21. They've also said they've added several full time employees and they have experience now. So everything should go quicker than with the MiG.
Tirak Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 From a programming standpoint, I don't think it's any different actually. Think about how the Mi-8 works. It does not have duplicate controls for anything but basic flight. All the weapon, countermeasure, navigation and even engine start up controls are different. You can control all of these with hotkeys or you can change seats in the plane to work them with mouse clicks. The thing is, the latter method only changes the player's PoV, the cockpit itself is not altered or replaced. So the only difference between the Mi-8 cockpit and the much simpler Ka-50 cockpit from a development standpoint is the raw number of switches and dials in it. That means more controls to program and more 3d models to create. It is a difference of quantity, not complexity. The F-14 will work the same way I suspect. Shifting cockpits will probably not load a totally different cockpit, it will merely alter the player's PoV within it. All the additional control and instrument programming will take time to implement of course, but it really isn't what you're thinking it is. I suspect there is a mind numbing amount of copy/paste in there. The swing wings are an interesting issue but as others have mentioned, even that isn't really anything new. Every chopper in the game alters wing sweep drastically, rapidly and at all times during flight. Flaps and slats can significantly alter the wing's geometry as well. So this really is old stuff, just a little bit different spin on it. It may take a day or two to think about how to program in, but it shouldn't be a major hurdle. So I think an F-14 release this year is well within the realm of possibility. I'm sure they've been working on it since last summer while putting the finishing touches on the MiG-21. They've also said they've added several full time employees and they have experience now. So everything should go quicker than with the MiG. I hope your right, i just think that the F-14s RIO has a lot more complexity behind it. As for the swing wing, I don't think we can compare the radical change of the shape of aircraft with slats, it's orders of magnitude greater. So while you might be able to tweak performance of the wing to represent some surface changes, I don't know if you can do that so easily when you're pivoting the whole wing. I'm no programer so I have no idea how easy or complex it is, but I remember another F-14 that was being developed a while back and they couldn't stress hard enough how complicated the variable sweep wings were to model.
Flycat Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/an-elite-f-14-airman-explains-why-the-tomcat-was-so-imp-1610043625 read some article and relax for a while. :P
Manuel_108 Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 Quoting the article: "The jet could not be flown, and certainly not fought, without both the Pilot and the RIO." It's gonna be problematic for me to find someone who shares DCS as a hobby and has the same spare time-windows like me..
SilentGun Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 Well leatherneck is an amazing team so I would not doubt that they will make an AI RIO Link to my Imgur screenshots and motto http://imgur.com/a/Gt7dF One day in DCS... Vipers will fly along side Tomcats... Bugs with Superbugs, Tiffy's with Tornado's, Fulcrums with Flankers and Mirage with Rafales... :)The Future of DCS is a bright one:)
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 They have stated they possess the talent to create and adequate AI RIO. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Pikey Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 55 pages and no one mentions the OTHER PLANE??? ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING *
Vampyre Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 55 pages and no one mentions the OTHER PLANE??? What other airplane would that be? Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!"
Pikey Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 OK, some attempts at this in the thread but Cat's and Ducks could be refering to the Tomcat and The Duck. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_O-2_Skymaster Vietnam is looking pretty hot. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING *
jared9191 Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 I actually love the Skymaster, i've always wanted to fly one and still see them in the air from time to time. But if we went that route, I would prefer something different. I'd lose my shit over an OV-10. Still, bring on the Tomcat!
kanami314 Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 I actually love the Skymaster, i've always wanted to fly one and still see them in the air from time to time. But if we went that route, I would prefer something different. I'd lose my shit over an OV-10. Still, bring on the Tomcat! both of those, I would give up half my blood for ether of them, especaly the ov10, such a capable aircraft. it can use any modren cv with out needing hooks or cat's, heck, it would make a great partner for the su33's as a fac. anyway.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 What other airplane would that be? A few, actually. 1 Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
King_Hrothgar Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 55 pages and no one mentions the OTHER PLANE??? There are 2 others but only conflicting clues about what they may be. We've heard about ducks and cats, which suggest a MiG-23/27 and F-14. We have the recent pic from facebook that shows the outline of the F-14, an F4U cockpit and an Imperial Japanese flag. Unless the "ducks" thing meant sitting ducks (such as an A6M compared to the previous two), then there isn't much to go on. A lot of us are hoping for a MiG-23 being the "duck" but we really have no idea. It could just as easily be an HS-129 or some other random plane. Hopefully the next newsletter provides some insight.
Flycat Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 duck means duck testing, they gave the wikipage of this word after the interview article . If it sounds like duck, looks like duck, it must be duck.
King_Hrothgar Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 I was referring to something different Flycat.
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