emg Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) 2. "Vigg" is Swedish for "Tufted Duck" (Viggen is supposed to mean "Thunderbolt" I think - but is often referred to as the "Duck". Lived in Sweden for a decade, never heard the Viggen referred to as "ankan" which is Swedish for "the duck". But you are not wrong that it may be a hint. Edited March 12, 2015 by emg
Vampyre Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 I doubt they will do three American planes in a row though. I wouldn't mind if they did the F-14A, F-14B and F-14D as the three releases.:thumbup: Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!"
foxbat155 Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 "Ground radar"- some people call this way doppler systems used for measure speed and drift angle. Duck + Ground radar means for me MiG-23BN or MiG-27. Both are ducks and both equipped with DISS-7 doppler navigation system.:joystick:
BlackLion213 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Lived in Sweden for a decade, never heard the Viggen referred to as "ankan" which is Swedish for "the duck". But you are not wrong that it may be a hint. I hope it's not bad info, the "Duck" thing came from wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen The Saab 37 Viggen ("Thunderbolt, ambiguous with *"Tufted duck")[Nb 1][1] is a Swedish single-seat, single-engine, short-medium range combat aircraft, manufactured between 1970 and 1990. Several distinctive variants were produced to perform the roles of strike fighter (AJ37), aerial reconnaissance (SF 37), maritime patrol aircraft (SH 37) and a two-seat trainer. In the late 1970s the all-weather fighter-interceptor aircraft JA 37 was added. Nilsson, Axel (13 January 2012). "JAS 39 Gripen − Milestones". Projects. Swedish Defence Materiel Administration. Retrieved 12 February 2014. Swedish naming of aircraft In any case, would an interesting DCS addition. -Nick
emg Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Yes, "tufted duck" is the dictionary definition of "vigg" (the word for "thunderbolt" is actually "åskvigg"), I guess I misread your post because when I read this: 2. "Vigg" is Swedish for "Tufted Duck" (Viggen is supposed to mean "Thunderbolt" I think - but is often referred to as the "Duck"., I thought you meant to say they use the common Swedish word for "duck" (which is "anka") when referring to the aircraft, like how the F-16 is unofficially called the Viper. Edited March 13, 2015 by emg
BlackLion213 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 "Ground radar"- some people call this way doppler systems used for measure speed and drift angle. Duck + Ground radar means for me MiG-23BN or MiG-27. Both are ducks and both equipped with DISS-7 doppler navigation system.:joystick: I had been dismissing the notion of a MiG-27, even though it does match the "Duck" clue with it's duck-shaped nose (Russians called it the "platypus"), because of a recent interview with Cobra. In the interview, he said that LNS would probably develop a MiG-23, but it was not one of the "in development" aircraft. However, maybe the reason that the MiG-23 is likely is because they are developing a MiG-27 that will share many common features with the MiG-23 (but not as similar as a F-14A vs F-14B). The two still need separate flight models, avionics (at least some of the avionics), and the doppler ground radar/targeting system. The MiG-27 has a lot of significant changes from the MiG-23 in the flight model due to the redesigned intakes, exhaust, and airframe/nose changes. Would definitely count as "something for everyone" in terms of country of origin and mission. I do appreciate that LNS is keeping their cards close to their chest instead of publishing long lists of aircraft that might not come to fruition. They seem to be very smart and carefully operated. They know how to torture us! -Nick
King_Hrothgar Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I wouldn't mind if they did the F-14A, F-14B and F-14D as the three releases.:thumbup: You might not but others would, including myself. I prefer a more balanced approach to things like BST does, alternating back and forth between opposing pairs or offering greater variety (such as a fighter + an attacker). My ideal planes to be paired with the F-14 are the MiG-23MLD, MiG-27K and MiG-25PD. But I don't consider any of those 3 highly likely given the various statements made over the last 6 months.
BlackLion213 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I had been dismissing the notion of a MiG-27, even though it does match the "Duck" clue with it's duck-shaped nose (Russians called it the "platypus"), because of a recent interview with Cobra. In the interview, he said that LNS would probably develop a MiG-23, but it was not one of the "in development" aircraft. However, maybe the reason that the MiG-23 is likely is because they are developing a MiG-27 that will share many common features with the MiG-23 (but not as similar as a F-14A vs F-14B). The two still need separate flight models, avionics (at least some of the avionics), and the doppler ground radar/targeting system. The MiG-27 has a lot of significant changes from the MiG-23 in the flight model due to the redesigned intakes, exhaust, and airframe/nose changes. Would definitely count as "something for everyone" in terms of country of origin and mission. I do appreciate that LNS is keeping their cards close to their chest instead of publishing long lists of aircraft that might not come to fruition. They seem to be very smart and carefully operated. They know how to torture us! -Nick Quick revision to my above comments. In the Eurogamer interview with Cobra, he mentioned that they are "very likely going to develop a MiG-23, but it is not next". "I can say that our next module is closely related to our studio name". So the Leathernecks are Marine Fighter pilots (most common use of the term) which closely lines up with the expected F4U (or less likely F4F). The F4U was the primary Pacific Marine fighter of WWII from 1943 onward - that matches the other hints they've released. Plus, they said it would be next and a WWII aircraft would be simplest to develop (except the Theater +/-). But saying that a MiG-23 is VERY LIKELY given the other hints raises the odds of a MiG-27 or MiG-23 in my mind. But who knows... (well, I guess 8 guys know...and maybe a few of their friends...colleagues...) -Nick
Pizzicato Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 But saying that a MiG-23 is VERY LIKELY given the other hints raises the odds of a MiG-27 or MiG-23 in my mind. That would make me really happy. There's something about the exotic nature of the Russian birds that makes them really interesting to fly from my perspective. i7-7700K @ 4.9Ghz | 16Gb DDR4 @ 3200Mhz | MSI Z270 Gaming M7 | MSI GeForce GTX 1080ti Gaming X | Win 10 Home | Thrustmaster Warthog | MFG Crosswind pedals | Oculus Rift S
BlackLion213 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 That would make me really happy. There's something about the exotic nature of the Russian birds that makes them really interesting to fly from my perspective. Me too! -Nick
SilentGun Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Hmm a Japanese flag but ground radar... F-2!!! Link to my Imgur screenshots and motto http://imgur.com/a/Gt7dF One day in DCS... Vipers will fly along side Tomcats... Bugs with Superbugs, Tiffy's with Tornado's, Fulcrums with Flankers and Mirage with Rafales... :)The Future of DCS is a bright one:)
S-GERAT Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Hmm a Japanese flag but ground radar... F-2!!! What about the F-4 EJ Kai ? I can't find info about an A/G radar mode on that particular variant, but if it have ground radar mode,the phantom background (is a naval one, but who cares ?) in the leatherneck site and the japan flag in the announcement ( although the flag seems about the imperial japan )... all the trolling tips from Cobra will coincide. :megalol: Edited March 13, 2015 by S-GERAT
Zakatak Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Guys, "ground radar" may not be an "air-to-ground radar." It may be just a ground-based radar. Remember that they wanted to properly implement GCI for the MiG-21, which may need upgrades in that area.
TwojaStara Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Guys, "ground radar" may not be an "air-to-ground radar." It may be just a ground-based radar. Remember that they wanted to properly implement GCI for the MiG-21, which may need upgrades in that area. Yup, they also mentioned "theatres" E.g. S-75 Volhow/Dvina (SA-2) / S-200 (SA-5 Gammon) are missing right now. I know Beczl did model at least SA-2 , but it didn't end up in LN's Mig-21... so we have 3 possibilites: - A2G combat radar - A2G navigation radar/avionics - ground radars (EWRs), whole IADS or maybe some missing SAM installations ;o
Flagrum Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Ground based radars are no new tech in DCS that would have to be developed.
foxbat155 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 I had been dismissing the notion of a MiG-27, even though it does match the "Duck" clue with it's duck-shaped nose (Russians called it the "platypus"), because of a recent interview with Cobra. In the interview, he said that LNS would probably develop a MiG-23, but it was not one of the "in development" aircraft. However, maybe the reason that the MiG-23 is likely is because they are developing a MiG-27 that will share many common features with the MiG-23 (but not as similar as a F-14A vs F-14B). The two still need separate flight models, avionics (at least some of the avionics), and the doppler ground radar/targeting system. The MiG-27 has a lot of significant changes from the MiG-23 in the flight model due to the redesigned intakes, exhaust, and airframe/nose changes. Would definitely count as "something for everyone" in terms of country of origin and mission. I do appreciate that LNS is keeping their cards close to their chest instead of publishing long lists of aircraft that might not come to fruition. They seem to be very smart and carefully operated. They know how to torture us! -Nick Well in most russian publications her's nickname stated as "утконос" what means literally "duck's nose". "Platypus" is for Su-34. Yes airframe changes were significant, but electronic equipment was very similar ( we talking of course about first "simple" MiG-27 variant ).
BlackLion213 Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Well in most russian publications her's nickname stated as "утконос" what means literally "duck's nose". "Platypus" is for Su-34. Yes airframe changes were significant, but electronic equipment was very similar ( we talking of course about first "simple" MiG-27 variant ). Didn't know that, thank you for correction. I have seen it with the Su-34 as well. I read the MiG-27/platypus in a book from the 1980s (I think - or wikipedia). Thanks, Nick
7rooper Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 A Su-34 fullback could be... I would very much like it is their next module. Please no more WWII junk My rig specs: Intel Core i7 4770 @3.4Ghz // Corsair 16GB DDR3 // MoBo Asus Z87K // HDD 1TB 7200RPM // eVGA Nvidia GTX 760GT 2GB DDR5 // LG 3D 47" 1920x1080 // Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS // Saitek Combat Pro Pedals // Thrustmaster MFD Cougar pack // PS3 Eye + FTNOIR
ChoSeungWan Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) If the duck thing was really a hint and not just a stock idiom, then add in the ground radar, what about a TU-160 i.e. 'White Swan'? They did say they had something mindblowing lined up... Edited March 14, 2015 by ChoSeungWan
Charly_Owl Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I don't really care about which jet they do... as long as they give a proper opponent to the MiG-21. It's only common sense to have a set of aircraft that complements each other. The current F-4E 3D model in DCS is an abomination. Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Chuck's Guides on Mudspike Chuck's Youtube Channel Chuck's Patreon
ChoSeungWan Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 yeah but the tu160 needs 4 guys to fly it :D Pilot and bombardier = player, co-pilot optional and defense systems can be either human or JESTER. :thumbup: Bah, who am I kidding, they're not gonna get systems data on the 160. :doh: Maybe when I'm a pensioner...
Badger1-1 Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 yeah never, but the video I watched on youtube, pretty much showed everything in detail...I was a bit amazed what they actually showed :D So maaaybee :D But I bet, its just a Zero etc. WWII in DCS is the wrong way imho.
Charly_Owl Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 WWII in DCS is the wrong way imho. Umm... no. :pilotfly: Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Chuck's Guides on Mudspike Chuck's Youtube Channel Chuck's Patreon
MBot Posted March 18, 2015 Posted March 18, 2015 That ground radar thing keeps me wondering (if we assume that indeed an air-ground radar is meant). Let's look at this from the other side. Which aircraft do even have air-ground radars? Considering that the unknown modern aircraft is supposed to be released already this year before the Tomcat, I assume that it is not a two-seater. Developing the AI RIO/WSO functionality in time for the Tomcat is already ambitious enough, and ED's human multicrew testbed (L-39) is delayed and still many months away. I also assume that it will not be a 4th generation multi-role aircraft, considering the years ED needs for the F/A-18C. So if we are looking for a pre-4th-gen single seater with A-G radar capability, there are actually not that many options. I can think of the following: A-7 Corsair II F-105 Thunderchief AJ37 Viggen Which aircraft with A-G radar did I miss? There is actually no Russian aircraft that fit these requirements. The A-7 would make a whole lot of sense, but it is alerady planned by RAZBAM. Then on the other hand, no aircraft for DCS is supposed to be exclusive.
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