Dudikoff Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Also, the USSR's air defence was set up in a way, that nearly all their interceptors were stationed at or close to the boarder, wich meant, that you were always "close" to interceptor bases and Capable SAM sites. They couldn't cover all of their territory as you cannot make airbases and SAM sites everywhere you want to (for economical and practical reasons - a lot of that territory is not habitable). As far as I understand, sometimes they even overflew parts of the SU territory, but they've carefully chosen SR-71 routes to minimize the chances of interception based on the intelligence data on the interceptor and SAM bases/sites and respectable types. E.g. the SU occasionally repositioned their interceptor squadrons to such areas to stop those overflights. That said, ther have been countless attempst to intercept a Habu and not even the SR-71 pilot were sure if the interceptors would shoot if they'd get the chance, which of course they never got. These facts are thoroughly described in the book. AFAIK these Interceptors included MiG-25s wich AFAIK have better high altitude performance than the Foxhound. That's one pilot's point of view. In what time period did he fly the plane exactly? Some other books claim an incident in 1986 when an SR-71 was ambushed by a group of MiG-31's and lock on was obtained so I'm curios if he was still active on SR-71's by that time. It's natural to fear that they might get fired upon by the unpredictable Commies, but it's also natural for the Soviets not to shoot at the plane over non-Soviet territory and cause a major incident so the claim that because they were never fired upon, they couldn't have been fired upon seems rather fishy. Edit to add a better description of the failed intercepts: The SR-71 Pilots and RSOs describe flying over highly defended areas, particularly nuclear test sites on Islands in the Arctic Ocean just off the USSRs coast and seeing the interceptors stall out "down low" at approximately angels 60 in the contrails. So basically: Noone even got close *Over* "highly defended territory" or next to it? The SR-71 was supposedly not immune to some more advanced SAM types so I highly doubt it was "over". And you don't put interceptor bases and SAM sites THAT close to nuclear test areas :) Besides, stalling at angels 60? That's way below what MiG-25 and MiG-31 are capable of. So, the example by itself is useless without more details (year, type of interceptor planes, route details, etc.). Edited August 13, 2015 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
TaccoZ__Amigo1__ Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 you don't put interceptor bases and SAM sites THAT close to nuclear test areas :) Besides, stalling at angels 60? That's way below what MiG-25 and MiG-31 are capable of. So, the example by itself is useless without more details (year, type of interceptor planes, route details, etc.). Nuclear test sites are not always place where nukes go off ;) I know that the Foxbat/hound can fly mih higher than angels 60, but if they have barely any reaction time (Mach 3.5+ speed and low RCS target) the probably came out of an unrestricted climb directly from takeoff. Sadly you will not find any more info on that specific case, because the SR-71 Pilots had no way on IDing the Interceptors nor would the USSR admit these failed intercepts. I'll take a look into the book though, let's see if I can find some more info on where that happened. Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed. :pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
TaccoZ__Amigo1__ Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 Oh and the pilot was a relatively early SR-71 pilot who then turned wing commander of the 8th Strategic Reconnaissancd Wing, the only ones to operate the U-2, KC-135Q and SR-71 Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed. :pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
lokodehortaleza Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 Very true, but the point is made now. The Foxhound was definately not the reason for the Habu's retirement. It were the shitty politicians again :( Coolness factor aside, using expendable stealthy drones must be way cheaper, also easier to deny if something goes wrong over hostile territory. Too bad, the SR-71 is one of the most amazing airplanes ever built.
TaccoZ__Amigo1__ Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 Too bad, the SR-71 is the most amazing airplane ever built. Corrected that for you. Today they use sattelites for broad coverage and U-2s and Drones for long periods of real time imagery. The Blackbird was used for BDA and extremely quick retrieval of information. There are also some (high threat) places on this planet, which can't be covered by a U-2 while sattelites only provide a few passes over the area in question every week/month. Thats what the Blackbird was absolutely brilliant at. Stealthy Drones should also work but they would probably be as expensive as the Blackbird. Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed. :pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Buren Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 That's the thing, 1954 isn't exactly modern is it? You wouldn't consider a 1954 car modern would you? What about a boat or a civilian plane? How about a computer? Why would a military plane count but nothing else? Push that example to 1970 and nothing changes. It's only in the 1990's that the answer starts getting difficult to answer. It isn't until the mid 2000's where the answer becomes easy again. I had 'era' in my mind and more as a concept, not this looking at the year-of-production stuff which feels very superficial. "Modern" military aircraft in my little delusioned world means that the main driving principle behind aircraft development are guided munitions (=missiles), airborne electronics (=radar) and high speed. Korean War combat aircraft are basically WW2-era school of thought machines (=way of fighting is close range maneuvering combat with guns) only with jet engines and sometimes swept wings. Sure, early post-korean war machines were not really refined, their missiles were even worse (look at the dismal hit rate of missiles in vietnam) but they represent a paradigm shift and that what counts in my book. Sure, next year's model is going to be better than this or last year's model, but that was not my point. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
tovivan Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Too bad, the SR-71 is the most amazing airplane ever built. - But that's just my subjective opinion. :) Fixed it for both of yous. :thumbup: :P Edited August 14, 2015 by tovivan
ED Team NineLine Posted August 14, 2015 ED Team Posted August 14, 2015 So now that you guys got that all out of your systems, how about trying to stumble back towards the topic? Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
vicx Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 I saw Rudel on Twitch working on RATO in 3D Max. When asked for Which aircraft he replied: FW-200. Hmm this FW-200 information has put the cat amongst the pigeons. And by Cat I mean Catapult. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAM_ship The other aircraft will be a FW-200 and a Hawker Hurricane which will come with a ship with a rocket powered launched system. Purest of speculation. :detective_2:
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 So now that you guys got that all out of your systems, how about trying to stumble back towards the topic? Yes, let's get back on the topic of speculating about something. :helpsmilie: Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
ED Team NineLine Posted August 15, 2015 ED Team Posted August 15, 2015 Yes, let's get back on the topic of speculating about something. :helpsmilie: Better than the cat fight that was brewing ;) Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 Better than the cat fight that was brewing ;) Fair enough. :thumbup: Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
BlackLion213 Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 The only planes that have been hinted at are a Saab of some sort and a Zero. Unless I've missed something. There were a fair number of early hints for the F4U, mostly back in late February and early March: This was the banner that LNS posted on their facebook page. http://s28.postimg.org/vcprcomx9/f14_f4u.png The left hand REALLY looks like an F4U cockpit. Also, Rudel has hinted at the Black Sheep (VMF-214) a few times. And lets not forget Cobra's Avatar... Rudel has also commented on his interest in the A6M3 (the Model 22 is the natural opponent of the F4U). But excluding their banner and Cobra's avatar, the rest is based on comments/vaporware (like trying to suture flatus to moonbeams...as one of my mentors used to say). Still, its the best evidence available. Also, this post by Zakatak is a great read...plus there is that Cobra post below it. ;) http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=140147 -Nick PS - there are "reasonable" hints for the Viggen as well, but a bit less than those for the F4U.
iLOVEwindmills Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 Wasn't there some sort of consensus that the Viggen was very likely some time ago? Or was that something I dreamed.
BlackLion213 Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Wasn't there some sort of consensus that the Viggen was very likely some time ago? Or was that something I dreamed. Yeah, kind of... It's the only aircraft that really fits all the hints, plus Cobra's brief avatar switches were compelling. Nothing certain till announced. -Nick Edited August 15, 2015 by BlackLion213
Harle Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 I think zero and hellcat would be a perfect fit for each other.
R.Loewenherz Posted August 15, 2015 Posted August 15, 2015 Wasn't there some sort of consensus that the Viggen was very likely some time ago? Yes, and I really hope the Viggen is coming. Love all the swedish kites.
Farlander Posted August 15, 2015 Author Posted August 15, 2015 Thankfully there's 100% chance the next aircraft will be a SR-71. i take no responsibility for this comment.
Zilch Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 Hey, OP, you forgot the "U" at the end of the Corsair's designation. ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Zilch79's YouTube Channel:
theropod Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Come on leatherneck, show us something. İf you will release both product till the end of 2015 , you have something to show. There is 4 month to 2016.
Kilrah Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Come on leatherneck, show us something. İf you will release both product till the end of 2015 , you have something to show. There is 4 month to 2016. Yes please! ASUS Z370, i7 8086K @ 5,2 Ghz, ASUS Strix GTX 1080, 16GB Ram, TM HOTAS Warthog, TrackIR 5, Saitek combat rudders, 25" 1440p monitor, Oculus Rift
Ryan Legend Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Please Leatherneck! I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!:fear: :pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Because MiG - 9. That's why...
King_Hrothgar Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Yep, it's about time for some sort of announcement.
BlackLion213 Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I've come to terms with the fact that the apparent price of having a genuinely excellent/accurate/beautiful DCS module of the MiG-21 (which is actually complete and out of Beta!) is continued emotional torment by the developers. ;) That said, it seems that the DCS community really tormented LNS during the last few months prior to the MiG-21's release - this might be good old fashion vengeance... :) On another note, I finally started using TrackIR - makes a huge difference! It also really helps you to appreciate the REALLY impressive cockpit of the MiG-21. Many of the small details were not apparent until I added these additional DOF - really remarkable stuff and much more fun. It was enough to pull me away from my other new toy - I hadn't played DCS for almost a month, but this has really added to the whole experience. -Nick PS - Cobra said late August back in June, maybe things will happen soon. Not much else going on around here at the moment - good time to get out and drive! Keep enjoying the summer.
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