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[RaXha]

Isn't the Gripen-C equipped with a new datalink today though, or am I thinking of the JAS-39E? I though the JA-37 only inherited some Gripen avionics later in its life, while the base model was relatively simple.

 

On that note, a (very) abridged SAAB PDF on their datalink for the -39: http://sesam.smart-lab.se/seminarier/Hostsem07/Gripen.pdf

 

Yea that's probably true! :-)

[Krieg]

The JA 37 Fighter had a different engine, and is therefore longer than the AJ. It also features a different vertical stabilizer and a different cockpit. I doubt we get both, since they would be very different in so many ways.

 

It could be possibly be AJ+AJS or pre/post maverick versions, as I believe their cockpits are very similar. The maverick adds a small tube shaped scope, and I believe some kind of guidance joystick.

I don't think the AJS program did too much to mess with the cockpit, but the better computers might change some avionics (for instance givning a climb angle above 30 degrees on the HUD?). Otherwise it's just the ability to carry newer and more weapons and pods.

They would also share the same flight-model due to being the same airframe. With this we could even see the SH 37, who had a similar cockpit, but different radar and no mavericks.

 

Any of this seems unlikely though in my eyes, and I believe the F-14 to be rather unique in its 2-for-1 approach. I believe we should get ready for a single Viggen. If it is a Viggen that is.

[Svend_Dellepude]

 

God that pic is so sexy. I don't know why, but it is!

 

Don't get out much, do you? ;)

[RevolverOcelot]

Only the JA-37D, AJS-37, AJSF-37 AND AJSH-37 had Gripen parts as far as i'm aware when they were still waiting for JAS-39 since it was delayed and ALL or most 37 models before that didnt have any JAS-39 parts.

Edited November 4, 2015 by RevolverOcelot

[RaXha]

The JA 37 Fighter had a different engine, and is therefore longer than the AJ. It also features a different vertical stabilizer and a different cockpit. I doubt we get both, since they would be very different in so many ways.

 

Yes this! It is mentioned in the Swedish video that was referenced a few posts ago that the JA -37 has more in common with the early version of the Gripen than it has with the rest of the SAAB 37 variants. As you say the engine was different, the avionics had very little similarities.

 

To quote the swedish wikipedia entry for the SAAB 37 system: "The electronics of the JA-37 was completely different from that in any of the other variants" and "SAAB constructed a new central computer (CD-107) for the JA 37 whose capacity was five times greater than the central computer in the AJ 37".

 

All of the above makes the inclusion of both the JA and the AJ/S variants in one module quite unlikely.

 

But who knows, maybe all along they have been developing something completely different, my personal favourite would be "DCS Da Vinci Aerial screw"! :pilotfly:

 

Only the JA-37D had Gripen parts as far as i'm aware when they were still waiting for JA-39 since it was delayed.

 

Very likely, but the JA still has little in common electronics wise with other variants.

 

If we get do get a Viggen, i would much prefer a ground pounder than another fighter in DCS! :D

 

Just look at this, doesn't it look like fun! :pilotfly:

 

(A word of warning for your own sanity, mute the video, whoever edited it for youtube has put 2 or 3 different sound tracks on top of each other.)

 

Edited November 4, 2015 by RaXha

[RevolverOcelot]

I believe the most major change vas the inclusion of LCD MFDs for most instruments in the cockpit if im not wrong and small upgrade in avionics and the rails to accomondate the more modern missiles.

[Kilrah]

Heh... at 3:20, that combat vechicle... could in fact be me there.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Kilrah

[Bogey Jammer]

:D My turn:

 

The MiG-21 requires fixings and finishing due to the V1.5 beta. The amount of work seems to have been unexpectedly high.

Once its 1.5 final version is released or at least finished or secured, the future modules will be probably announced.

So what I expect ? The F-14 has many features. Each one requires massive work and development time. Maybe the 2 intermediate modules would contain individual features identical of the F-14, and would serve as development platforms, and cash income to maintain resources.

 

Su-22M : the one I expect the most. Its avionics is very similar to the MiG-21's, reducing dramatically the development time. Then it would help to build experience with variable wing geometry which is not an easy topic. This aircraft would also introduce a new variation of gameplay.

Similar aircrafts could be the MiG-23/27.

 

Any WW2, early jet Navy fighter : for helping to build "basic" advanced carrier operations the F-14 will require. I don't have more precise opinion about the model. The avionics have to be simple. A WW2 carried plane would introduce a new deserted theme in the DCS, until someone releases a worthy opposition like the Zeke. But a Korean war fighter would fill this theme a little more, as well as a probable Korea theater (according to the previous announcements about yet unknown theater in development too) which would be a good thing since my MiG-15 is suffering from uselessness in modern Georgia…

 

Besides, the multi-crew system seems to be developed mainly by ED from the L-39. And there is the ultra complex F/A-18, waiting for a buddy to grow up.

 

Viggen ? Why not, but such a complex aircraft would have be announced for quite a time if it is developed enough to expect a late 2015 release. And it doesn't look like it shares many features with the F-14.

I consider it a more like a phantasm than a high probability.

 

F-4 ? Why not too… Some of its data aren't supposed to still be classified to prevent the making a realistic enough DCS module ? Anyway I think its development time would be too long.

[VincentLaw]

such a complex aircraft would have be announced for quite a time if it is developed enough to expect a late 2015 release.

What makes you think they won't announce it the same day as release? Anyone remember Black Shark 2?

 

I would be willing to bet the World War 2 plane is the F4U Corsair. The Corsair also served in Korea, so it could give the MiG-15 another target to shoot at. The British used the Corsair in Europe, so it isn't completely out of place mixed in with the current World War 2 modules either.

Edited November 4, 2015 by VincentLaw

[Hueyman]

I would be willing to bet the World War 2 plane is the F4U Corsair. The Corsair also served in Korea.

 

 

I want nothing more than a Corsair too, starting to become one of my fav' WWII A/C, I started watching Baa Baa Black Sheep again, and particularly love late ones with the huge four bladed Hamilton Standard prop, what a nice look she has ! :thumbup:

[Cool Breeze]

From what I gather, first Viggen is AJ-37, attack version. Mid 80s it apparently got some upgrades including Mavericks. Also in the 80s JA-37 interceptor came. Later on, both lines got significant upgrades in AJS-37 for attack and JA-37D for interceptor versions, both being pretty advanced and final variants of Viggen.

 

If it's indeed the Viggen, I think a Maverick and anti ship equipped AJ-37 from 80s might be the most likely variant. Of course, like with F-14 A & B, we may get multiple variants, which would be beyond awesome. But, I think difference between attack and jakt viggen might be bigger than two F-14 versions and can be rather significant.

Something I never considered till I read this.... While I'm dying for a new prop aircraft! It would be very amusing if the two unannounced aircraft where both Viggens! The intercept and ground attack variants in one announcement!

[Hummingbird]

Hoping for the following:

 

1. F-4 Phantom (MiG-21 needs its rival, and preferably the slatted E model)

2. F-8 Crusader (Another perfect rival for the MiG-21)

3. F-16 (Not going to happen but an ultimate wish of mine)

4. A6M3/5 (No explanation required)

5. F4U-4 Corsair (Sweetest US prop job IMO, and definitely prefered over the F6F Hellcat)

 

Unfortunately I doubt it will be any of these next.

[Grundar]

Given the hints in Cobra's avatars (if they are indeed even hints) an F4U seems likely as the WW2 prop craft and the other craft I still believe will be a Viggen variant.

 

Would love to see a Zero.

 

If Cobra's new avatar is something to go by then it would be something that was with VF-84 - so that doesn't rule out a Fury.

 

I believe the F-4 is on another third party developers list for bringing to DCS so not sure if Leatherneck would look at it.

[howie87]

The MiG-21 will get its rival in the form of the F-5E by Belsimtek.

 

I'm about 95% sure we'll get a Viggen from Leatherneck from all the hints so far.

 

As for the other aircraft, I have no idea. I'd love to see another fast jet but I'm expecting a warbird of some kind. Probably the Corsair or Hellcat.

 

If it was up to me, I'd love to see an F-105. The Thud was a mighty beast of an aircraft.

[Hummingbird]

The MiG-21 will get its rival in the form of the F-5E by Belsimtek.

 

Well not really considered they never crossed paths ;) Its true rival was the F-4 which contested it in combat, and they were infact remarkably closely matched.

 

I'm about 95% sure we'll get a Viggen from Leatherneck from all the hints so far.

 

Wouldn't complain, but I would find it odd if they didn't make some of the more iconic aircraft first.

 

If it was up to me, I'd love to see an F-105. The Thud was a mighty beast of an aircraft.

 

Then we definitely need the F-4! Otherwise who's going to protect those poor F-105's from the MiG-21? :D

[King_Hrothgar]

The F-5E faced the MiG-21Bis on many occasions which resulted in shoot downs (actually pretty even from what I've read). The F-4E fought them just as often, but no more often that I'm aware of. I suspect you're looking exclusively at the US usage of the aircraft during Vietnam, in which case neither the F-4E or F-5E ever faced a MiG-21Bis. How do I know? Vietnam didn't have any.;)

[howie87]

OK, the Thud and an F-4 then... Oh man that would be perfect. Throw in the SA-2 SAM and a Vietnam map and I would throw money at you until I was broke.

[King_Hrothgar]

Ok, what would the North Vietnamese fly? They don't have a single aircraft in DCS, not even an AI only one. I'm not opposed to adding a whole bunch of Vietnam stuff, I think it would be a lot of fun. Just pointing out that so far, the only Vietnam aircraft we have for DCS or even publicly announced for DCS is the UH-1H.

[javelina1]

Ok, what would the North Vietnamese fly? They don't have a single aircraft in DCS, not even an AI only one. I'm not opposed to adding a whole bunch of Vietnam stuff, I think it would be a lot of fun. Just pointing out that so far, the only Vietnam aircraft we have for DCS or even publicly announced for DCS is the UH-1H.

 

They flew MiG-21's? Heck, can also throw in the MiG-15, (but having a MiG-17 would be best).

[Toten]

Ok, what would the North Vietnamese fly? They don't have a single aircraft in DCS, not even an AI only one. I'm not opposed to adding a whole bunch of Vietnam stuff, I think it would be a lot of fun. Just pointing out that so far, the only Vietnam aircraft we have for DCS or even publicly announced for DCS is the UH-1H.

 

They had 21s, just not the bis. Yes, the Viet Namese theater is ripe with great planes.

[King_Hrothgar]

They flew MiG-21's? Heck, can also throw in the MiG-15, (but having a MiG-17 would be best).

 

The MiG-21Bis is quite a bit different from the older MiG-21's the Vietnamese flew. It has 4 missile hardpoints instead of 2, an internal gun (the older ones typically didn't), improved radar, a more powerful engine and a different canopy. It's about like the shift from a Bf-109E3 to a Bf-109K4. Technically the same basic airframe, but you can't interchange them in a historical scenario. They are too different for that.

 

The MiG-15 vs MiG-17 isn't any better. They don't even share the same basic airframe, nevermind the other bits.

[VincentLaw]

They had 21s, just not the bis. Yes, the Viet Namese theater is ripe with great planes.

A Vietnam theater could also be used for French Indochina war missions. Both the Corsair (hinted at by Leatherneck) and the Bearcat (in development by VEAO) were used in that war.

The MiG-21Bis is quite a bit different from the older MiG-21's the Vietnamese flew.

I think the idea is that we are more in the ballpark (at least near the ballpark) with MiG-21bis vs. F-5E than we are with Su-27 vs. F-15C (not even the same city as the ballpark). The UH-1H in DCS is actually a post Vietnam model too.

Edited November 5, 2015 by VincentLaw

[Hook47]

A Vietnam theater could also be used for French Indochina war missions. Both the Corsair (hinted at by Leatherneck) and the Bearcat (in development by VEAO) were used in that war.

 

I think the idea is that we are more in the ballpark (at least near the ballpark) with MiG-21bis vs. F-5E than we are with Su-27 vs. F-15C (not even the same city as the ballpark). The UH-1H in DCS is actually a post Vietnam model too.

 

I beg to differ with that F-15 vs SU 27 remark, as I fly into the F-15s ballpark and blow it out of the sky regularly.... ;)

[Nerd1000]

I beg to differ with that F-15 vs SU 27 remark, as I fly into the F-15s ballpark and blow it out of the sky regularly.... ;)

 

They're in the same ballpark, its just that the F-15's team scores a home run if they get to the third base (The AMRAAM runs the last leg for them).

[King_Hrothgar]

It's a lot more even if you make it a pre-1991 scenario.