ED Please correct these bugs?

[Guest Cali]

Heres a question that would satisfy most of the guys here (and not a whole lot of the US wanting a/c) but if there is no more development for the F-15 and the A-10 flight models, why not simply remove them from game as flyables?

 

I can't believe you just said that, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking about when you post.

[Shepski]

OK, that mostly doesn't make sense...

 

Oops... by "AFM" I meant Aircraft Flight Manual... :doh: I'm assuming you thought I meant Advanced Flight Model?

[S77th-GOYA]

Oops... by "AFM" I meant Aircraft Flight Manual... :doh: I'm assuming you thought I meant Advanced Flight Model?

 

LOL, yeah, I kinda figured that you might have meant something like that, but at first, I did see it as Advanced Flight Model. I've got the 1945 revised Pilot's Training Manual but the stall speeds listed are conservative compared to actual wartime USAAF flight tests and only give power-off stall speeds. Plus, even in the USAAF tests, there are no figures for stall with combat flaps and/or full WEP power-on.

[Floyd]

We spent quite a chunk of time on correcting and catching crash and lock-up issues, we spend a -hideous- amount of time trying to improve the missile sensor model which backfired unfortunately, we spend a chunk of time poring through research materials to enhance the simulation, and so on and so forth.

 

The readme's come with each patch. Read them.

 

Just because you do not see what's going on behind the scenes, your pet peeve isn't fixed, and you think that either nothing was fixed or that those fixes were 'easy' or that the fixes YOU want are 'easy' doesn't mean it's so, and you're out of line backhandedly calling the testers lazy. We do this for free, we take time out of our lives for it. A lot of time. And it isn't necessarily fun either - a lotof stuff that was done was very repetitive with the intent of statistics gathering, or trying to reproduce bugs, etc.

 

Sorry to get harsh on you, but you really -are- out of line.

 

The sim isn't dying - it's evolving. No, it isn't evolving for free. I'm going to stick with it because I see a lot of potential from what I see being done in BS. Am I going to tell you what I'm testing?

 

No. I signed an NDA. Sorry. I would -love- to go on and on about the new 'pit technology and other enhancements that this will bring to the helo itself and eventually to the other flyables (and the rest of the sim, in fact - the flyables aren't the only thing that are getting attention).

 

I really don't mind if people post what their pet peeve is, but this ridiculous attitude that ED doesn't listen to players, and that they are lazy, as are their testers, needs to go away, NOW.

 

And one more thing: Most of us aren't really ED's customers. In fact, even though we buy the sim, the real customer is the publisher who has paid ahead of time to have a product made. That is -very simply- the reality of business, and nothing else - you won't see anyone but myself throw that at you, probably ... ED will certainly not use it as an excuse for not doing something you want, unless it has to do with direction - the contract dictates direction. That's my assumption anyway, from what I've seen of the business world.

 

And ED -still- does stuff for us, the end user, regardless. So get your stories and perceptions straight.

 

Post what bothers you, but leave out the insults and accusations - it helps no one. You want to know what's happening behind the scenes? Ask, and -maybe- someone will tell you. Most of the time you'll get the NDA line or no answer, but sometimes you'll get to hear something interesting.

 

 

PS: These thoughts are my own. I test for ED, I don't represent them.

 

Well, i was reading Cali's posting and it was my first thought as i saw this 'ED Testers Team'-label with his name. I'm surprised that after several patches, addons and enhancements there are still these problems with missiles and sensors. You may find it 'out of line' but i'm really wondering why we have to 'fight' and discuss over something that is so essential for a sim with modern jets. The missile's model have changed several times over the last 2 years or so and it looks as if they reinvent the wheel with every patch and it is always the next patch that might fix the problems, but "No promises!" Oh, and I won't call the testers lazy - my remark is to be seen in context with Cali's posting.

[ALDEGA]

Why don't we all ... RELAX.

[dodger42]

As a wise man once said: "Can't we all just get a bong?"

[aimmaverick]

Ironhand!

 

BTW, Aimmaverick, what's the problem you're seeing with the HUD vs HSI nav cues? In both the A-10 and the F-15, the HUD is pointing to the next waypoint while the HSI course window is indicating the required course from the waypoint behind you to the currently selected waypoint. So they are indicating two different things. Or is there another issue I'm not understanding?

 

And BTW #2, have you checked out Groove's link to the AIM-9 reticule? It's a bit hard to tell without the HUD frame or a clearly defined pitch scale but it certainly doesn't look as big as the one you reference in your 2nd screenshot (ammo depleted): A-10 AIM-9 HUD.avi. (Larger screen and in slow motion.)

 

Rich

 

Well to understand my issue, select F-15, go set up a few waypoints with the last one on the airfield. Then go flying for some time and cyce through different waypoints and navigation modes, (landing and normal navigation). Go fly of course across the map and then choose selected waypoint. The info on the HUD and HSI will be messed up, HUD will show you for example 4NM and on the HSI 20NM with different bearings (not the course deviation nidle). In some cases HSI showed me direction to waypoint which was behind my aircraft, but HUD navigation cross showed it in front and counting distance down while HSI was dead or counting it the opposite! This most often occurs when choosing LANDING waypoint from free flight. It takes some time to reproduce but it happens almost every time.

 

 

As regarding A-10 reticule, I dont know how it looks on the real aircraft. Its just that in the game it goes big after you emptyed your load. Im not sure if this footage from a clip is even aim-9 reticule. It looks more like rockets piper with little ticks sorounding it and the plane is in air-ground mode firing???

[S77th-GOYA]

Are you using version 1.12a?

[tflash]

Ironhand!

As regarding A-10 reticule, I dont know how it looks on the real aircraft. Its just that in the game it goes big after you emptyed your load. Im not sure if this footage from a clip is even aim-9 reticule. It looks more like rockets piper with little ticks sorounding it and the plane is in air-ground mode firing???

 

I must say I am profoundly impressed by this "bug". I'm shocked. I will immediately return to Heroes of the Pacific, a sim where such horrible misrepresentation of hud simbology simply doesn't occur.

 

The strangest thing is I mostly fly the A-10 in this game and never it occurred to me that it was all fake, a total joke, a farce! All my illusions gone!

 

Jee, I do not understand ED drops any plans they have at once and start correcting this horrible game-killing bug!

 

Can you imagine? You empty your load and than suddenly ... the ridicule .. euh, sorry, reticule, becomes somewhat bigger! ;)

[aimmaverick]

Are you using version 1.12a?

 

Yes I am using version 1.12a. I installed Flaming Cliffs over clean Lomac 1.0. Should I patch it before to version 1.02?

[NotiA10]

For ED: a.) Great game

[NotiA10]

sorry pressed the wrong button and posted prematurely

 

for ED: great game - i love every minute i am playing it - keep up the good work

 

for all people complaining (A10) about this little circle which becomes bigger after u have got no more rounds left:

 

a.) whether big or small - doesnt make a difference when trying to lock an A2A target - i tried it, either way, it does the same thing - no advantage or disadvantage

 

b.) i dont understand how a circle, which is rarely used anyway (in the A10), can ruin the fun playing this great sim

 

my 2 cents only

 

Anyway, i will keep on playing and flying the A10 (rather then complaining) and i will buy BS whether ED managed to fix so called bugs or not.

 

 

wbr

:pilotfly:

NotiA10

[S77th-GOYA]

Yes I am using version 1.12a. I installed Flaming Cliffs over clean Lomac 1.0. Should I patch it before to version 1.02?

 

Negative, Lomac should not be patched before installing the add-on.

[Groove]

ED should make a clear official statement which bugs will never be fixed. This would end many discussions.

[SwingKid]

ED should make a clear official statement which bugs will never be fixed. This would end many discussions.

 

Oh sure.

 

(a) there is no clear-cut plan,

(b) even if there was, it would change all the time,

© even if it didn't, such a statement would only stimulate many discussions, which would then

(d) change the clear-cut plan, as it has every time before.

 

Promises, promises. :)

 

-SK

[aimmaverick]

sorry pressed the wrong button and posted prematurely

 

for ED: great game - i love every minute i am playing it - keep up the good work

 

for all people complaining (A10) about this little circle which becomes bigger after u have got no more rounds left:

 

a.) whether big or small - doesnt make a difference when trying to lock an A2A target - i tried it, either way, it does the same thing - no advantage or disadvantage

 

b.) i dont understand how a circle, which is rarely used anyway (in the A10), can ruin the fun playing this great sim

 

my 2 cents only

 

Anyway, i will keep on playing and flying the A10 (rather then complaining) and i will buy BS whether ED managed to fix so called bugs or not.

 

 

wbr

:pilotfly:

NotiA10

 

 

Well NotiA10 if you read my original post, you would have seen that this is not the only issue mentioned, which btw doesnt bother me so much. It was mainly because of F-15 bugs.

[upyr1]

First I expect to see some minor bugs to go unfixed it'sthe major ones I'm worried about the ones that do effect game play issues like frame rate and general crashing. I hope to see an A-10 modle that is onpar with the Black shark same with all of the other AC. I know my biggist complaint is that ED isn't able to produce more sims I'v been more or less happy with all of ED's work I've bought every sim they've since Flanker 1. I will buy Black shark and I hopewe have more choppers.

[Ardillita]

mmmmm

 

There is nothing wrong with bringing up issues. Even I do that. But why should any software developer feel obliged to fix anything when it is demanded in the manner that some deliver. If it were me it would only make the chances of it being a dressed alot smaller.

 

Asking in unproper manner is wrong, but how many times many things has been requested in very good manners? Did those request had any feedback from ED? No, the official support itself tell you to check in the forums... seems a joke right? well... they do.

 

And again, "why should any software developer feel obliged to fix anything"... well, because we paid for this sim? is that enough or we shoiuld do something more beside payin for it?

[JaNk0]

Hi, first of all, LOVE THIS GAME!! Keep up the good work :thumbup:

Secondly, not to fire things up in this topic, but it would be interessting to hear something from ED dev. Just so people would (hopefully) calm down:rolleyes:

[GGTharos]

The devs are busy working on BS ... what exactly do you want them to tell you?

[JaNk0]

As i said GG, i don't want them to tell me. I don't have any complainings, just hoped that they would come with a good reply and the complainers would just chill. =)

[dodger42]

It certainly wouldn't hurt for ED to have a PR person, and preferably one that can speak russian and english. PR is pretty important, though I can understand the budget might be tight, they often return their cost. Lack of PR often results in less sales due more pissed customers or would be customers.

[SwingKid]

It certainly wouldn't hurt for ED to have a PR person,

 

They don't?

 

 

;)

 

EDIT: seriously though, I don't think a dedicated PR person would be able to answer questions, that even programmers don't yet know the decisive answers..

 

-SK

[Pilotasso]

Asking in unproper manner is wrong, but how many times many things has been requested in very good manners? Did those request had any feedback from ED? No, the official support itself tell you to check in the forums... seems a joke right? well... they do.

 

And again, "why should any software developer feel obliged to fix anything"... well, because we paid for this sim? is that enough or we shoiuld do something more beside payin for it?

 

I dont think ED should listen to 1 guy in detriment of all others opinions on what should be fixed next. This is what you are demanding. And the keyword is "demand". "Demanding" something YOU want doesnt mean you will get it, and certainly it wont be your all powerfull will that shall bow the whole comunity to your biddings!

 

The game needs lots of fixes granted that, but it wont be you who will tell what the developer should , or not be doing because then there will be cryers for other things too and you are not special enough for ED listen just to you.

 

We already have lots of PR from ED and I dont think we need more. IMHO its only going to give margin for more crying contests and frankly Im a bit wary of coming here and find these forums full of this. There are alot of more interesting things to post. Something more pleasant.

 

Cheers!

[pschelchshorn]

They don't?

 

 

;)

 

EDIT: seriously though, I don't think a dedicated PR person would be able to answer questions, that even programmers don't yet know the decisive answers..

 

-SK

 

 

that picture is hilarious... :D "There are no american tanks in Iraq, they are just filming them in some desert"

 

 

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