sethshark Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Guys, In the name of realism should I go ahead and take the rudders off the joystick and put it on ground feet pedals? How many of you guys run with this? Pros and Cons? Please Advise my Bro's... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Manfred von Richthofen, better known as the "Red Baron". He scored the most officially accepted kills in World War I and is arguably the most famous flying ace of all time.
NeilWillis Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Take a look at the MFG Crosswind pedals. They come with the feet on the pedals system, but are soon going to release a second set of pedals in the style of modern heels on the floor variety that can be swapped over. One rudder bar, 2 styles of pedal. So far the heels on the floor pedals are in development, but they'll give the best of both worlds.
Gladman Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Pros: Much more realistic feel Toe Brakes Cons: None i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord
Scarecrow Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 A10 can manage with only twist stick but for helos and propeller driven aircraft pedals are a must. :)
SharpeXB Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 If you can afford them then yes it's the best way to go. Especially if you get into the WWII aircraft. They give you better control than a twist stick and just feel more realistic. i9-14900KS | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO | 64GB DDR5 5600MHz | iCUE H150i Liquid CPU Cooler | ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 4090 OC | Windows 11 Home | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO NVMe | Corsair RM1000x | LG 48GQ900-B 4K OLED Monitor | CH Fighterstick | Ch Pro Throttle | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR 5
jcbak Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 :thumbup:Pros: Much more realistic feel Toe Brakes Cons: None +1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]WIN 10, i7 10700, 32GB DDR4, RTX 2080 Super, Crucial 1TB SSD, Samsung EVO 850 500GB SSD, TM Warthog with 10cm extension, TIR5, MFG Crosswind Pedals, Wheelstand Pro, LG 40" 4K TV, Razer Black Widow Ultimate KB[/size]
marluk Posted May 11, 2015 Posted May 11, 2015 Take a look at the MFG Crosswind pedals. They come with the feet on the pedals system, but are soon going to release a second set of pedals in the style of modern heels on the floor variety that can be swapped over. One rudder bar, 2 styles of pedal. So far the heels on the floor pedals are in development, but they'll give the best of both worlds. Definitely! Get the pedals you will not regret. Also, my recommendation for MFD Crosswind. I have one and it is very reliable and precise. Unlike other equipment, for rudder pedals avoid commercial product from big company. Get it from small workshop like MFD or similar. They are much better. Plane is possible to fly without rudder pedals but helicopter is impossible. [B]*NOB* Lucky[/B] [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Tko vrijedi leti, tko leti vrijedi, tko ne leti ne vrijedi
Rangi Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Plane is possible to fly without rudder pedals but helicopter is impossible. It's not impossible, I flew the Huey with twist stick for a long time. But pedals are more accurate and easy once you get used to them. The earlier you get pedals the better as it took me a while to get used to the change. Still after a year or so of pedals in pressure situations I try and twist the stick. I used a twist stick for 10 years or so before, so there is a lot of muscle/brain memory to overcome. PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor.
Dagger71 Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Yes in order of absolute must for flight sim immersion, control/ease of use and fun factor are: 1 TrackIr 2 Good Joystick 3 Rudder pedals
marluk Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) It's not impossible, I flew the Huey with twist stick for a long time. But pedals are more accurate and easy once you get used to them. The earlier you get pedals the better as it took me a while to get used to the change. Still after a year or so of pedals in pressure situations I try and twist the stick. I used a twist stick for 10 years or so before, so there is a lot of muscle/brain memory to overcome. Hihi yes, agree. Similar story on my side. I'm using TM Warthog with extension for year or so. Many times I've unscrewed it in the heat of battle. Of course it is not impossible, but it is very hard to fly because in different regimes you have to apply different amount of twist. That combined with very sensitive heli axis creates juggling experience. Edited May 12, 2015 by marluk [B]*NOB* Lucky[/B] [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Tko vrijedi leti, tko leti vrijedi, tko ne leti ne vrijedi
lanmancz Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't say it's necessary. Especially for A10C. I was quite happily flying A10C, BS2, even P51d and other modules for years without pedals without any problems and in the end I got pedals with yoke for xplane :-) About good joystick - yeah I can totally recommend my x52pro but again - I flew A10C for more than 2 years with only logitech 3d pro. With x52pro it's much better, no question about that, but I would say the sim is still very enjoyable even without expensive gear. Lastly the trackir. This is the most important thing in my opinion. But personally I use FaceTrackNoIR with point tracker plugin and it works just fine. And it cost me about 20$ all together to get all I needed for it. I guess I'm just trying to say that you don't really need all of the most expensive stuff out there to enjoy the sim. But if you got the money then sure - go for it. edit: Personally I'm saving my TrackIR money for Oculus when it comes out :-) Edited May 12, 2015 by lanmancz [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Elite, Intel i9 9900K, Fractal Design Kelvin S36, Zotac GTX 1070 8GB AMP Extreme, 32GB DDR4 HyperX CL15 Predator Series @ 3000 MHz, Kingston SSD 240GB (OS), Samsung 970 EVO 1TB M.2 NVMe (sim), Fractal Design Define R5 Black Window, EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2, Win 10 Home x64, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals, Thrustmaster MFD Cougar Pack, TrackIR (DelanClip), 3x 27" BenQ EW2740L, Oculus Rift S
Red Dragon-DK Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 http://mfg.simundza.com/mfgcrosswind.php The best one I have ever owned. good accurate feel for what you're doing and can be set as you wish. Price is cheap compared to the quality and durability Intel I7 4770K, Evga 1080 FE, win10 64Pro, 32GB ram, TracIR 5, Hotas Warthog, MFD Cougar x2, MFG Crosswind
adese Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I use the CH Products Pro Pedals and have been very happy. For a long time I was using two buttons on my HOTAS (CH Fighterstick and CH Pro Throttle) to control rudder input, even for the Ka50. Once I got the UH1 I knew I had to upgrade. It took a lot of getting used to and making sure I adjusted my curves for each airframe to my taste. Since then, I've greatly increased my comfort, enjoyment, and abilities with rotary aircraft. It really makes the experience that much more immersive and you feel friggin' badass when you're doing it all right. THAT SAID I do not feel pedals are a big must for fixed wing aircraft if money is an issue. You can get by with on/off, 0 or 100% rudder input via buttons (don't do what I did and use a mini stick with the Huey like I did on the Pro Throttle - doesn't really work as a replacement for buttons or pedals). In the A10 and other craft where I did need rudder input or NWS before the pedals, I did fine, even in windy conditions on approach or takeoff. If you have the cash, do it. It can make the experience more immersive but you won't use them much in a fixed wing aircraft except taxi, takeoff, landing, and CCIP/guns engagements. Pedals that flex in addition to forward/backward movement are important for toe braking and if you have a driving sim (Project Cars for a current example) you can have an accelerator and brake.
Dav IRL Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 They take getting used to from using the stick but the toe brakes and rudder functionality particulary for the choppers make them a worthwile investment. 4.8 I7, 1080, TMW&T, SSD, VKB MK.IV.
PiedDroit Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 http://mfg.simundza.com/mfgcrosswind.php The best one I have ever owned. good accurate feel for what you're doing and can be set as you wish. Price is cheap compared to the quality and durability Wow they are really nice. I will order them next year I think, my Saitek are a bit worn off now and I might need a replacement soon:wub: Good quality rudders are definitely a plus (especially for choppers), but you can do without it. Before buying real ones I had reversed the twist axis of my stick - to get the feel of going left when pushing left... I know that's stupid, but heh :joystick: If money is an issue, you can build your own it's quite cheap to do and you can begin to feel the thing, I did that too (they were crappy as hell but I liked them more that twisting the stick)...
sethshark Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 Wow!!! Thanks for all the Fantastic data. I am going crazy trying to keep myself from upgrading to the Hotas Stick. Everytime i see it the store, theres something inside me that says "F@#! It"...."I Must Have Her" Ok. This question is serious. After learning these sims, would it actually help me if i wanted to get a pilots license and fly a small plane? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Manfred von Richthofen, better known as the "Red Baron". He scored the most officially accepted kills in World War I and is arguably the most famous flying ace of all time.
sethshark Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 http://mfg.simundza.com/mfgcrosswind.php The best one I have ever owned. good accurate feel for what you're doing and can be set as you wish. Price is cheap compared to the quality and durability Holy Crap these are Awesome!!! Yeah, I will be ordering these!!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Manfred von Richthofen, better known as the "Red Baron". He scored the most officially accepted kills in World War I and is arguably the most famous flying ace of all time.
PiedDroit Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Ok. This question is serious. After learning these sims, would it actually help me if i wanted to get a pilots license and fly a small plane? I'm quite interested in that answer too, as I'm planning to do the PPL as well... I'm wondering if all the stuff we learn will outweight all the bad habits we develop with the sim :D
agentdarnell Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I have the saitek combat pedals and are great. I was on a tight budget when I got my x55 and pedals. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WildBillKelsoe Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 word of advice: if you plan on using rudder with UH-1 (Ooohiii) and the rudder has a centering spring, better remove it. will make your life alot easier. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
CaptJackG Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 If you plan on flying...get some rudder pedals. I use the mfg pedals. They are excellent and have a really good feel, very close to what you'll encounter in a real plane.
GurbY Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Wow!!! ..Ok. This question is serious. After learning these sims, would it actually help me if i wanted to get a pilots license and fly a small plane? I should say: no. Basic understanding: sure. I have flown FS.. for many years (since the Bruce Artwick edition..... ) and was flying sims for years before I got my PPL/GPL. I don't have the impression that it helped, although I was familiar with a lot of things. The feeling however is unique and can't be experienced in a sim. On the other hand: if you manage to fly sims that look like the plane you are going to fly (lets say, Cessna), then, it that case, I would say: sure. That helps. But learning to fly a simulated A10C isn't going to help a lot in flying a Cessna, in my opinion.
MTFDarkEagle Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Yes definitely get pedals. I'm using the Saitek Combat rudder pedals. So far I'm pretty satisfied with them. Pretty much my only problem with them is the following: The amount of force required to operate the toebrakes is (far) too low. It's acceptable, but imho too low. I have not explored on how to increase the force required (if at all possible..), because the pedals are buried deep in my cockpit, and it'll take a good amount of time to extract them. So for the time being I'm leaving them in. Another mayor reason I went for the combat pedals (for example) versus the other Saitek pedals is the fact you have your feet on the floor, and not completely on the pedals themselves. This was a mayor requirement for me, ergonomics wise. Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
Bourrinopathe Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Imho, the rudder pedals are a must-have if you want real precision flying. The fact that the yaw control is completely independent remove any pitch and roll parasite input (compared to the twist sticks). + use your feet! It's great for the coordination skills ;-) + more realistic + NoE fancy flying gets easier + taxi with one hand only! - oops… the budget took a bullet again. /// ВКБ: GF Pro MkII+MCG Pro/GF MkII+SCG L/Black Mamba MkIII/Gladiator/T-Rudder MkII | X-55 Rhino throttle/Saitek Throttle Quadrant | OpenTrack+UTC /// ZULU +4 /// /// "THE T3ASE": i9 9900K | 64 GB DDR4 | RTX 2080ti OC | 2 TB NVMe SSDs, 1 TB SATA SSD, 12 TB HDDs | Gigabyte DESIGNARE mobo ///
sethshark Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 Hey Guys, Are these solid???http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004ING996/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?qid=1431531846&sr=8-10&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=rudders [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Manfred von Richthofen, better known as the "Red Baron". He scored the most officially accepted kills in World War I and is arguably the most famous flying ace of all time.
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