Ktulu2 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 As a Canadian DCS player I just hope the hornet will stand a chance against the EF. Of course, in BVR... WVR is quite a farce with the F/A-18, especially against a plane like the EF (or the mirage). In BVR the winner should be the one that's higher/faster (assuming we can have missiles than use height properly). It does advantage the EF though. This is also assuming that the EF and the hornet get the same missiles, which would be historically incorrect. I do DCS videos on youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAs8VxtXRJHZLnKS4mKunnQ?view_as=public Link to comment
Python Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 If you can get into a turn fight with the Typhoon, you certainly stand a chance given the nose authority the f-18 has. I'm a big fan of both aircraft, but I'd always choose the Typhoon to take into a fight given the choice. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment
dartuil Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Constructor dont allow you to make new version for obvious reason, they only allow old version. Its already cool that EADS and Eurofighter said yes for typhoon, try that with Dassault it will be different story. i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals Link to comment
mattebubben Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Find enough informations about Su-27SM, MiG-29SMT or the latest Gripen to make a model. You don't understand one thing. They're making Eurofighter and there're in contact with British MOD. They saw this plane outside and inside, and they can't make newer version because they didn't receive permission. What dont i understand? And also i never said they should make a Su-27SM or Mig-29SMT only that they would probably be better options then the Su-35 (that som ppl are suggesting) since they would probably be easier (still very hard to get info about the modern upgrades of russian aircraft) The Gripen would Probably be quite plausible to get enough info about. Saab seems to be more willing then alot of companies to work with outside groups so i think getting info about an early Jas-39C model (2004-2008) would not be as hard as some other aircraft. I also understand fully why Its the Block 5 Eurofighter and not the Tranche 2 models. Since the Block 5 is the most advanced (newest) Typhoon that is "old" enough that the info is no longer too secret to allow some to be released to VEAO for a "accurate" Simulation. Link to comment
n8d0g Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I think something that has not been mentioned so far is pilot skill, which i think counts far more than equipment in this case given to how close the weapons (R27//R77s vs AIM120s) and maneuverability (SU27 vs Typhoon) Is the Typhoon newer and fancier? yes. WIll it have an edge over some aircraft? Perhaps. But at the end of the day, it'll come down to pilot ability and knowledge of air combat and how to use the Typhoon and using it to its best turn rates, climb rates and flight envelops in a fight. Link to comment
Darkwolf Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 by the end of the day, that'll be another target for the Mig-21 :D :D :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] PC simulator news site. Also....Join the largest DCS community on Facebook :pilotfly: Link to comment
Exorcet Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I think something that has not been mentioned so far is pilot skill, which i think counts far more than equipment in this case given to how close the weapons (R27//R77s vs AIM120s) and maneuverability (SU27 vs Typhoon) Is the Typhoon newer and fancier? yes. WIll it have an edge over some aircraft? Perhaps. But at the end of the day, it'll come down to pilot ability and knowledge of air combat and how to use the Typhoon and using it to its best turn rates, climb rates and flight envelops in a fight. Technology counts at least as much as the pilot. The flight sim world is a bit biased because you may have people who literally don't know what button then even need to push in the air along side aces. You also have lone wolf vs squadrons. This leaves plenty of room for upsets, but with in each skill level there is still a push to go toward the better aircraft (at least if what you want is a bigger score). One thing that I don't think I've seen brought up much is the EF's speed. Even the most basic ones will be able to supercruise while armed as far as I know and they'll probably outfly everything at supersonic speed. I actually think the F-18 specifically will be a bit weak in that department. While missiles in DCS may have questionable traits, they certainly do benefit from launch speed and altitude. The EF will have a launch envelope advantage over everything if the acceleration beats everything else. With ECM modeling as simple as it is, jamming won't really help. You'll delay the Typhoon's launch, but at burn-through even the F-15 will have a relatively low missile Pk. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment
zxarkov Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I am not looking forward to it being used in multiplayer, as it is a gen 4+ aircraft, has supercruise and many other advantages. __________________________________________________________ i7 3930k @ 4.7GHz | GTX 980 Ti | 16GB G.Skill 2133 Quad Channel | Samsung 850 EVO SSD | Win7 ProX64 | CH Fighterstick | CH Pro Pedals | CH Throttle | BenQ XL2730Z 1440p Link to comment
Bimbac Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 The Gripen would Probably be quite plausible to get enough info about. Saab seems to be more willing then alot of companies to work with outside groups so i think getting info about an early Jas-39C model (2004-2008 ) would not be as hard as some other aircraft. You can try! :thumbup: If you get any serious and accurate data about Gripen, like radar, datalink, ECM and FCS, I'll buy you a drink! Link to comment
Paradox Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 by the end of the day, that'll be another target for the Mig-21 :D :D :D Damn right! If MiG-21s can shoot down F-15s in multiplayer F-18 guys will have a whale of a time with the Typhoon if you're good enough. Link to comment
howie87 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I am not looking forward to it being used in multiplayer, as it is a gen 4+ aircraft, has supercruise and many other advantages. The English Electric Lightning had supercruise... Link to comment
zxarkov Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) The English Electric Lightning had supercruise... Yes so it does, is there a reason why no one can do upgrades for the existing fighters like the SU-27? Is there a licensing problem that prevents versions like the SU-27SM? At the end of the day, I have a Corgi 1:72 Diecast model of a Typhoon F.2 . I love the design, pure delta wing,tailless with canards. I am not a hater ;) Can't wait to fly it myself! Edited August 13, 2015 by zxarkov __________________________________________________________ i7 3930k @ 4.7GHz | GTX 980 Ti | 16GB G.Skill 2133 Quad Channel | Samsung 850 EVO SSD | Win7 ProX64 | CH Fighterstick | CH Pro Pedals | CH Throttle | BenQ XL2730Z 1440p Link to comment
TomCatMucDe Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 by the end of the day, that'll be another target for the Mig-21 :D :D :D when the Typhoon is out, i may defect you from time to time hehe Link to comment
Farlander Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Multiplayer will be a mess.. Link to comment
Exorcet Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The English Electric Lightning had supercruise... It doesn't combine it with modern avionics and weapons. What was the speed anyway, I don't think it was M 1.5. It probably wouldn't out turn the EF at that speed either and the EEL had poor endurance. There isn't really a comparison to make. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment
ААК Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Eurofighter will completely dominate on the F-18C Link to comment
dartuil Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Typhoon will beat Mirage and hornet!! But when rafale will be out it will be different story. I believe F-18 is the 7.5G max because of foldable wings whan mirage and typhoon are 9G fighters. Edited August 13, 2015 by dartuil i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals Link to comment
Frostie Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Typhoon will beat Mirage and hornet!! But when rafale will be out it will be different story. I believe F-18 is the 7.5G max because of foldable wings whan mirage and typhoon are 9G fighters. If the non AESA Rafale was made i'd say the Hornet had a good shout. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment
dartuil Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) You right but dassaut will not allow late version af rafale. It wont be AESA radar model I believe Dassault will allow only single-seat model to protect technologies in dual-seat, so rafale A or C. According eric trappier dassault CEO the M2000 is better than the gripen! And rafale is the only fighter able to land on US carrier. Edited August 13, 2015 by dartuil i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals Link to comment
lokodehortaleza Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 According eric trappier dassault CEO the M2000 is better than the gripen! That's a good one :megalol: Link to comment
dartuil Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Thats what he said not me. :) i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals Link to comment
TomCatMucDe Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 According eric trappier dassault CEO the M2000 is better than the gripen! Did you also expect the BMW CEO to tell you that Audi is better? Link to comment
Chrinik Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 regardless of which model F/A-18 all models F/A-18 lead to war aim-120C7 AIM-120C7 is the worst nightmare for any enemy AIM-120C7 RANGE = 165 KM = 89 NM Because the AIM-120 C7 is in DCS....and because even if it was, it would be realistically modeled.......... Remember that the original AIM-120 B has a listed range of 75km, thats about 4 times the range you currently have with the AIM-120 C in DCS And I believe those are MAX ranges...not effective ranges. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] GCI: "Control to SEAD: Enemy SAM site 190 for 30, cleared to engage" Striker: "Copy, say Altitude?" GCI: "....Deck....it´s a SAM site..." Striker: "Oh...." Fighter: "Yeah, those pesky russian build, baloon based SAMs." -Red-Lyfe Best way to troll DCS community, make an F-16A, see how dedicated the fans really are :thumbup: Link to comment
Exorcet Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Because the AIM-120 C7 is in DCS....and because even if it was, it would be realistically modeled.......... Remember that the original AIM-120 B has a listed range of 75km, thats about 4 times the range you currently have with the AIM-120 C in DCS And I believe those are MAX ranges...not effective ranges. To be fair, it depends on the definition of range. The AIM-120B in DCS can easily kill something 50 miles away, but it's not often you'll be in a situation to shoot it that far. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment
Python Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Typhoon will beat Mirage and hornet!! But when rafale will be out it will be different story. I believe F-18 is the 7.5G max because of foldable wings whan mirage and typhoon are 9G fighters. I wouldn't be so sure, my money is very much on the Typhoon. Also, the Swiss F-18's are rated at 9g, they would give the Rafale a very good fight and then some. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment
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