Upgrading to Windows 7 Pro Question

[SharpeXB]

I'm considering an upgrade from Windows 7 64 bit Home Premium to Pro. Any reason that wouldn't be a good idea with DCS?

[uboats]

For DCS, I didn't see any difference between Home and Pro

[SharpeXB]

Home Premium is limited to 16GB of RAM wheras Pro will allow me to use 32GB. Probably this is no improvement for running games but tasks like video editing will improve I suppose. I already own the RAM modules but can't use them currently.

 

I've also read that your VRAM should not exceed system RAM. Until recently that wasn't likely for most PCs but now I have 24GB of VRAM. Don't really know the truth but there's one way to find out.

Edited May 13, 2015 by SharpeXB

[Kayos]

No reason not to upgrade.

[Brisse]

I've also read that your VRAM should not exceed system RAM. Until recently that wasn't likely for most PCs but now I have 24GB of VRAM. Don't really know the truth but there's one way to find out.

 

No, you don't have 24GB of VRAM. That's not how it works. VRAM does not add up when you use multiple graphic cards. Each card has to load the same data into it's own memory, so the data is mirrored. It is the equivalent to RAID1 when speaking about storage.

 

You can add as many 12GB video cards as you want. The software will still see it as 12GB. Note that this might change with Windows 10 and DirectX12, but in the current situation it's how it works.

 

DCS will not care if you use Home or Pro editions of Win7 by the way. There's no benefit to be had from 32GB of RAM when running current version of DCS.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Brisse

[SharpeXB]

No, you don't have 24GB of VRAM. That's not how it works. VRAM does not add up when you use multiple graphic cards. Each card has to load the same data into it's own memory, so the data is mirrored. It is the equivalent to RAID1 when speaking about storage.

 

You can add as many 12GB video cards as you want. The software will still see it as 12GB. Note that this might change with Windows 10 and DirectX12, but in the current situation it's how it works.

 

DCS will not care if you use Home or Pro editions of Win7 by the way. There's no benefit to be had from 32GB of RAM when running current version of DCS.

Thanks.

 

So in theory if you had 8gb of ram and a 12gb graphics card, would that be a problem? I read it had to swap or something.

 

Yes, I figure games won't run better, maybe other tasks will like video editing.

Edited May 14, 2015 by SharpeXB

[SkateZilla]

Home Premium is limited to 16GB of RAM wheras Pro will allow me to use 32GB. Probably this is no improvement for running games but tasks like video editing will improve I suppose. I already own the RAM modules but can't use them currently.

 

I've also read that your VRAM should not exceed system RAM. Until recently that wasn't likely for most PCs but now I have 24GB of VRAM. Don't really know the truth but there's one way to find out.

 

12GB x2 in SLi is 12 GB, not 24GB, in SLi the RAM Banks are Mirrored.

 

And the VRAM vs System RAM Size was old, like 486 Days... because the VRAM was Shadowed into the System Ram w/ some programs.

 

as for Going from HP to PRO, you can buy a upgrade license and enter it in the Anytime Upgrade Menu of Windows, and it will download and install the updates, I've gone from HP to Pro to Ultimate without re-installing anything.

 

My Next system will be 128GB DDR4 sometime in the end of 2016.

Edited May 14, 2015 by SkateZilla

[HiJack]

Wait for Windows 10 release this summer and upgrade to that.

[SharpeXB]

Wait for Windows 10 release this summer and upgrade to that.

Yeah that's a better idea. It's free too.

[SkateZilla]

Use 16GB of RAm for the system and the other 16 as a ramdisk for temp files.

[Poneybirds]

Some DX11 features do not work in W7 (any edition). Not relevant for DCS today, but will be in the future.

 

Also, as far as I understand, Win10 will not be free. It will be subscription based. Pay every year, get the first year for free. Sounds more like a trap than a present to me :)

[infernus1986]

Some DX11 features do not work in W7 (any edition). Not relevant for DCS today, but will be in the future.

 

Also, as far as I understand, Win10 will not be free. It will be subscription based. Pay every year, get the first year for free. Sounds more like a trap than a present to me :)

 

 

Neither of those things are true

DX11.2 does basically nothing hence why no one other that DICE bothered to use it.

 

To answer OP's question

 

Just hang on to home premium until you get the free upgrade to Win10 which will support >16gb of ram and direct X 12

Edited May 15, 2015 by infernus1986

[Poneybirds]

Infernus, you seem to be able to foresee the future, as you know which dx11 features DCS 2 will be using, and you know the pricing of Win10 when it's not yet announced. You must be rich with such a gift :)

 

Anyway, thanks for clarifying that the difference is not that important. I'm still on w7 myself. Although a source would have been nice.

 

This is some info about DX11 on Win7 for anybody who cares: http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35472-microsoft-adds-some-directx-111-features-to-windows-7-kb-2670838/

[infernus1986]

Infernus, you seem to be able to foresee the future, as you know which dx11 features DCS 2 will be using, and you know the pricing of Win10 when it's not yet announced. You must be rich with such a gift :)

 

Anyway, thanks for clarifying that the difference is not that important. I'm still on w7 myself. Although a source would have been nice.

 

This is some info about DX11 on Win7 for anybody who cares: http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35472-microsoft-adds-some-directx-111-features-to-windows-7-kb-2670838/

 

I'm just going off history and common sense and what MS has already said multiple times.

 

ED isn't going to bother with DX 11.1 or 11.2, I can count the number of games made with DX 11.1/11.2 support on one hand even then the performance gain is less than 2% in those games.

 

MS has said repeatedly that anyone who upgrades to win 10 in the first year gets it for free.

The whole point behind this is MS makes more money selling services and other things than they do selling OS's.

The other part of that is they spend more money trying to secure and update old OS's like XP and 7 then they made from selling said OS in the first place.

Edited May 14, 2015 by infernus1986

[HiJack]

I'm just going off history and common sense and what MS has already said multiple times.

 

ED isn't going to bother with DX 11.1 or 11.2, I can count the number of games made with DX 11.1/11.2 support on one hand even then the performance gain is less than 2% in those games.

 

MS has said repeatedly that anyone who upgrades to win 10 in the first year gets it for free.

The whole point behind this is MS makes more money selling services and other things than they do selling OS's.

The other part of that is they spend more money trying to secure and update old OS's like XP and 7 then they made from selling said OS in the first place.

And dont forget that millions of users in China is using hacked windows versions that will not count on Microsofts statistics on the market share. Important to get all users onboard for regular licenses so charge for apps can go to Microsoft :thumbup:

[cichlidfan]

Important to get all users onboard for regular licenses so charge for apps can go to Microsoft :thumbup:

 

They still won't have legitimate licensed software.

 

Updated again: A Microsoft spokesperson sent Ars a full statement about the situation. The wording is interesting: "With Windows 10, although non-Genuine PCs may be able to upgrade to Windows 10, the upgrade will not change the genuine state of the license... If a device was considered non-genuine or mislicensed prior to the upgrade, that device will continue to be considered non-genuine or mislicensed after the upgrade." This story has been updated to reflect that you don't get a legitimate copy of Windows 10.

 

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/03/windows-10-will-be-a-free-upgrade-for-genuine-and-non-genuine-users/

[HiJack]

Ok, so Chinese users will be counted as an base of illegal users (marketshare) that can buy apps from the store? :noexpression:

[Poneybirds]

Hi Infernus

 

Please take no offense. This discussion is going off topic so I will stop with this post.

 

I see your points. However, I trust in Microsofts need for money more then I trust in PR gags.

 

MS has said repeatedly that anyone who upgrades to win 10 in the first year gets it for free.

 

 

Well, they do not say "anyone". They say "qualified new or existing [..] devices that upgrade in the first year!"

 

Whatever that means. Is my device qualified? I bought a PC with Win7 Home preinstalled years ago. I have rebuilt it part by part almost completely since then. The installation is "genuine" as per Microsoft.

 

If they want to go for devices and services, they will have to sell a lot more devices and services with a lot more profit than they do now. The phone thing failed big time already.

 

Also "Free Upgrade" does not equal "Free Use".

And "Lifetime updates and new features for no additional charge" does not mean there is no subscription fee for use.

 

Yes, I am very skeptical to the point of being overly anal. Sorry. Time will tell.

[SkateZilla]

Hi Infernus

 

Please take no offense. This discussion is going off topic so I will stop with this post.

 

I see your points. However, I trust in Microsofts need for money more then I trust in PR gags.

 

 

 

 

Well, they do not say "anyone". They say "qualified new or existing [..] devices that upgrade in the first year!"

 

Whatever that means. Is my device qualified? I bought a PC with Win7 Home preinstalled years ago. I have rebuilt it part by part almost completely since then. The installation is "genuine" as per Microsoft.

 

If they want to go for devices and services, they will have to sell a lot more devices and services with a lot more profit than they do now. The phone thing failed big time already.

 

Also "Free Upgrade" does not equal "Free Use".

And "Lifetime updates and new features for no additional charge" does not mean there is no subscription fee for use.

 

Yes, I am very skeptical to the point of being overly anal. Sorry. Time will tell.

 

 

Qualified devices are Devices running Windows 7, 8, 8.1 x86/64 Non Enterprise or RT Versions, with a Authentic License Key,

[Poneybirds]

I am reading right now w10 is going to come with candy crush saga preinstalled.

 

That explains it all.