ED Team cofcorpse Posted December 3, 2015 ED Team Posted December 3, 2015 Recalling from memory; but I thought besides the two wing-tip mounts the F-5E had four under-wing and one center-line. Yes, but underwings and centerline pylons can only carry AG weapons. And Sidewinders only on wingtips. There were some modifications (some of them only test) for carrying more AA missiles, but it's not our case
Paganus Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 Recalling from memory; but I thought besides the two wing-tip mounts the F-5E had four under-wing and one center-line. So you can build an AA config of 2x, 4x, and 1x. Plus I know I've seen a pic somewhere of an F-5 with a rocket pod mounted to the center-line. Most operators of the F-5 modified them or had them modified. The Saudi's paid Northrop for major upgrades, like the ability to self lase, fire Shrikes, and BVR missile, while others like Singapore did the upgrades themselves. You can find pictures and data with all kinds of configurations if you look hard enough. Belsimtek are simulating a less modified version.
ThorBrasil Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 No, why? We are getting E-3 version as playable, with -159 radar, Countermeasures and RWR. AND there is less advanced E, with -153 radar, without Countermeasures and RWR (which is only AI). Add support to supply the air. Please! Please! It's not hard to do. I know. |Motherboard|: Asus TUF Gaming X570-PLUS, |WaterCooler|: Corsair H115i Pro, |CPU|: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, |RAM|: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200MHz DDR4, |SSD|: Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 NVMe, |SSD|: Kingston 2.5´ 480GB UV400 SATA III, |SSHD|: Seagate Híbrido 2TB 7200RPM SATA III, |GPU|: MSI Gaming 980Ti, |Monitor|: LG UltraWide 34UM68, |Joystick 1|: Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog, |Joystick 2|: T.Flight Rudder Pedals, |Head Motion|: TrackIr 5.
ED Team cofcorpse Posted December 3, 2015 ED Team Posted December 3, 2015 Add support to supply the air. Please! Please! It's not hard to do. I know. Unfortunately, currently it is not in-air refuel capable.
dartuil Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 Unfortunately, currently it is not in-air refuel capable. To be honest too bad it cant AA REFUEL , Ill do with it trying to land for refuel when I dont crash. :) i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals
Stratos Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 The F-5 was intended for Air Forces with small budgets and such Air Forces usually do not have A-A refuel assets. I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
dartuil Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 The F-5 was intended for Air Forces with small budgets and such Air Forces usually do not have A-A refuel assets. Yes that's what im guessing too. Better wait on su-33 or M2000 for this. i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals
Ultra Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 It's going to be a challenge fighting the Mig-21 with its radar missiles using our two IR ones and gun. I'm not complaining though, it should be fun. Do you think some servers will limit ordinance to IR missiles only? Was the Mig-21 able to carry it's radar missiles yet during the time these two would have faced off?
ThorBrasil Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 Unfortunately, currently it is not in-air refuel capable. :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: |Motherboard|: Asus TUF Gaming X570-PLUS, |WaterCooler|: Corsair H115i Pro, |CPU|: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, |RAM|: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200MHz DDR4, |SSD|: Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 NVMe, |SSD|: Kingston 2.5´ 480GB UV400 SATA III, |SSHD|: Seagate Híbrido 2TB 7200RPM SATA III, |GPU|: MSI Gaming 980Ti, |Monitor|: LG UltraWide 34UM68, |Joystick 1|: Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog, |Joystick 2|: T.Flight Rudder Pedals, |Head Motion|: TrackIr 5.
Custard Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) It's going to be a challenge fighting the Mig-21 with its radar missiles using our two IR ones and gun. I'm not complaining though, it should be fun. Do you think some servers will limit ordinance to IR missiles only? Was the Mig-21 able to carry it's radar missiles yet during the time these two would have faced off? I wouldn't worry too much, the F-5E has a lot of advantages on it's side. Superb maneuverability and the ability to carry missiles with little negative impact on that maneuverability are huge advantages. The MiG-21 may be able to carry more missiles but with the full 6 loaded it flies like a bus! As for the R-3R, it is definitely in the time frame of these two jets, but given the F-5E's good RWR and the R-3's terrible turn rate I'm not too worried. In the merge another boon for the Tiger II is that it actually has a decent gun-sight intended for dogfighting rather than shooting down bombers. If you've flown the '21 you'll know how crap that things sight is, it seems most people just use the fixed net. Edited December 3, 2015 by Custard [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Ultra Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 I wouldn't worry too much, the F-5E has a lot of advantages on it's side. Superb maneuverability........ Thank you for the info, I don't feel so intimidated now. :D
pepin1234 Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 As for the R-3R, it is definitely in the time frame of these two jets, but given the F-5E's good RWR and the R-3's terrible turn rate I'm not too worrie The RWR for our F-5 should not be the same than the current F-15 RWR in game. The F-5 RWR response should be delayed and not enough accurate. Should be like the real F-5 RWR. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Custard Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 The RWR for our F-5 should not be the same than the current F-15 RWR in game. The F-5 RWR response should be delayed and not enough accurate. Should be like the real F-5 RWR. See that's the thing, what model of RWR will be modeled? BST say they're doing quite a late version of the E, I wouldn't be surprised if we got something like an AN/ALR-69. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
pepin1234 Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 See that's the thing, what model of RWR will be modeled? I want to know that too. Will be great they share this info. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
King_Hrothgar Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 They specified the basic E3 model, I don't think that counts as a late model. In any case, I don't think the MiG-21 will be at a major advantage or disadvantage. The thing about the R-3R combined with the MiG-21Bis is it can't see against ground clutter. As such, all you need to do is duck below the horizon a bit. It doesn't take much of an RWR to support that. Even the MiG-21Bis's RWR is sufficient for that kind of thing.
mattebubben Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) It's going to be a challenge fighting the Mig-21 with its radar missiles using our two IR ones and gun. I'm not complaining though, it should be fun. Do you think some servers will limit ordinance to IR missiles only? Was the Mig-21 able to carry it's radar missiles yet during the time these two would have faced off? It kinda depends what Aim9s we get for the F-5E. if we only get the current Aim-9P with no FM upgrade the F-5E might have a disadvantage missile wise. But if we get a Proper Aim-9P3 (Rear Aspect+) and then an All aspect Aim-9P4 or P5 (Both of wich are used on F-5Es by multiple nations and dont need any real aircraft side modification to be compatible) With a Aim-9P3 it would be close with the Mig-21 having the head on advantage but with Aim-9P4 or P5 All aspect missiles the F-5E would have much more capable missiles and probably has the advantage headon aswell since it would be Fire and forget while being more accurate / manuverable then the R-3R. My hope is having both a Aim-9P3 and a Aim-9P4. Both of whom are Very common on the F-5E in international service. The Aim-9P3 enterd service in the late 70s (77-78 ) and the P4 according to what ive been able to find enterd service around 80-81. So they are both missiles that enterd service earlier then the R-60M that the mig-21 gets. The AIM-9P in game is a Aim-9P3 atleast visually but its unkown what model it is preformance wise. But the Aim-9P3 and P4 are the 2 most common Aim-9P variants (most users) And since there are not really any other Weapons that need to be modeld for the F-5E (like there are for most other modules) I really hope that Belsimtech can do atleast those 2 missiles. Edited December 4, 2015 by mattebubben
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 It's going to be a challenge fighting the Mig-21 with its radar missiles using our two IR ones and gun. I'm not complaining though, it should be fun. Do you think some servers will limit ordinance to IR missiles only? Was the Mig-21 able to carry it's radar missiles yet during the time these two would have faced off? It won't be an easy time for the MiG, either. The Tiger's gun set up is blatantly superior. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Custard Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 Can't the F-5E also use it's radar to que the seeker heads on it's sidewinders? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Darkwolf Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 As for the R-3R, it is definitely in the time frame of these two jets, but given the F-5E's good RWR and the R-3's terrible turn rate I'm not too worried. Well.... Last time i checked, R3-R PK was around 0.9 against manoeuvering targets. :music_whistling: As a mig-21 driver, i'm more worried about bugs than about F-5E :P [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] PC simulator news site. Also....Join the largest DCS community on Facebook :pilotfly:
ED Team cofcorpse Posted December 4, 2015 ED Team Posted December 4, 2015 Can't the F-5E also use it's radar to que the seeker heads on it's sidewinders? AFAIK, no. Not in our version
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 Well.... Last time i checked, R3-R PK was around 0.9 against manoeuvering targets. :music_whistling: As a mig-21 driver, i'm more worried about bugs than about F-5E :P Maybe if you're physically driving the R-3R into a target, with your bare hands, sure. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Custard Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 AFAIK, no. Not in our version Thank you for the clarification, maybe the MiG-21 stands a chance after all. :P [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Stratos Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 We will get a gunsight only "HUD", right? I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
OziRekt Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 Will the HUD have a CCIP reticle similar to the A-10/F-16/SU-27 etc, or will we have to use intuition, like in the WW2 figthers and MiG-15? "We carried out many trials to try to find the answer to the fast, low-level intruder, but there is no adequate defense." — Air Vice-Marshal J. E. 'Johnnie' Johnson, RAF Can't charge us all
Custard Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 Will the HUD have a CCIP reticle similar to the A-10/F-16/SU-27 etc, or will we have to use intuition, like in the WW2 figthers and MiG-15? It's a radar gunsight. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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