Is it possible to sling load vehicles?

[Charly_Owl]

Hullo everyone,

 

I am toying around with the CTTS script and I distinctly remember once seeing a screenshot (somewhere... can't remember where though) where a Huey would sling load a truck. I am trying to figure out if it was a mod or if this functionality is implemented (and available) in DCS. Does anyone have good info about it?

 

Sling loading vehicles would be pretty cool, especially for combined arms operations.

[Ohgr]

Skip to 9:11. I have to check which mod it is with but I believe it is from the 229th.

Edited August 14, 2015 by Ohgr

[Cibit]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=124251&highlight=Cargo

 

Obviously anything you include in a MP mission has to be replicated by all:)

[Charly_Owl]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=124251&highlight=Cargo

 

Obviously anything you include in a MP mission has to be replicated by all:)

 

That is the mod I had in mind.

 

However I'm wondering if you can pick up vehicles that are already in the "vanilla" game like a jeep or a truck...

Edited August 15, 2015 by Charly_Owl

[Ohgr]

That would be a rather great idea. If not with the huey then the MI-8!

[Paradox]

That would be a rather great idea. If not with the huey then the MI-8!

 

It should work with both if it was in the game if I'm not mistaken

[AlphaOneSix]

There is an APC in-game light enough to be carried by either an Mi-8 or a UH-1?

 

On a good day an Mi-8 can pick up 8,800 lb. (in real life, UH-1 quite a bit less) and even an empty M113 weighs 20,000-ish pounds.

Edited August 14, 2015 by AlphaOneSix

[Serp Supreme]

I don't know about APCs but I know that according to Wikipedia Humvees can weigh up to5,900 pounds. I'm sure with up armored kits they weigh more but I doubt they cross the max weight.

[Paradox]

Potentially dubious wiki sources tell me that the Mi-8 max takeoff weight is slightly more than the Chinook's max takeoff weight.

 

And a Chinook will carry a CVR(T) vehicle. I'm not sure we have those in DCS.

[Xanderous]

A chinook can carry itself! Without blades, engines and transmission of course haha

[AlphaOneSix]

Potentially dubious wiki sources tell me that the Mi-8 max takeoff weight is slightly more than the Chinook's max takeoff weight.

 

Yeah, pretty dubious.

 

CH-47 max takeoff weight is like 50,000 pounds.

Mi-8 max takeoff weight is 28,600 pounds.

[159th_Falcon]

There is an APC in-game light enough to be carried by either an Mi-8 or a UH-1?

 

On a good day an Mi-8 can pick up 8,800 lb. (in real life, UH-1 quite a bit less) and even an empty M113 weighs 20,000-ish pounds.

 

According ingame Encyclopedia;

M1025 HMMWV (does not have weapons)

Empty Weight: 2855 Kg

Max Load: 1135 Kg

Total: 3900 Kg

 

M1043 HMMWV (1x 12.7mm M2 Machine gun)

Empty Weight: 2855 Kg

Max Load: 1135 Kg

Total: 3900 Kg

 

M1045 HMMWV TOW (1x TOW ATGM Launcher)

Empty Weight: 2855 Kg

Max Load: 1135 Kg

Total: 3900 Kg

 

UAZ-469 (unarmed jeep)

Empty Weight: 1490 Kg

Max Load: 695 Kg

Max loaded weight: 2290 Kg

 

VAZ-2109 (civil car)

Weight: 900 Kg

 

M1097 Avenger PMS (low level air defense system)

Combat Weight: 3900 Kg

 

ZU-23 (Short Range Air Defense Cannon)

950 KG according Wikipedia.

 

Bit odd that all the humvee variants have the exact same all up weight, none the less they can be lifted by the MI-8 reliably.

 

To be honest though, i think we need a MI-26 :music_whistling:

[GunfighterSIX]

The MI8 Maximum external sling load is 3000KG. That is a structural limit. That fact that on a good day it can only handle 8000lbs is kinda disappointing but understandable given how heavy the aircraft's normal empty weight is. Bad power to wight ratio. I believe the MTV5 has a higher capability.

 

Last time I sling loaded a hmmwv is was light skinned and empty, and it was over 5000lbs. Normally we plain for them to be 6,000lbs. Not sure what you use a light skinned hmmwv on a battlefield for anymore these days. Our armored hmmwv's significantly heavier, around 10,000LBS and not in the sling load range of my aircraft.

CH53 & ch47's are your heavy lifters. 20,000 to 30,000 lbs range. If you want to move armor I would say MI26.

 

Just because a helicopter has the structural limit to lift something you need to remember that the environment is the biggest factor. Temp and altitude.

Edited August 15, 2015 by GunfighterSIX

[Silver_Dragon]

Edit:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=146080

Edited August 15, 2015 by Silver_Dragon

[Paradox]

Yeah, pretty dubious.

 

CH-47 max takeoff weight is like 50,000 pounds.

Mi-8 max takeoff weight is 28,600 pounds.

 

hurrrrr, this is what you get when you're reading late at night and you mix up lbs and kg....

 

Yeah the chinook has a much greater MTOW.

 

No CVR(T) for Mi-8.

[AlphaOneSix]

The MI8 Maximum external sling load is 3000KG. That is a structural limit. That fact that on a good day it can only handle 8000lbs is kinda disappointing but understandable given how heavy the aircraft's normal empty weight is. Bad power to wight ratio. I believe the MTV5 has a higher capability.

 

For reference, our aircraft weight a little over 17,000 pounds empty, with a max gross of 28,600. So not the best, by any stretch, but we have dropped 22 assaulters on a pinnacle at 9,000 feet, so I'm okay with it. ;)

 

The external load is an issue with the sling gear itself and not the aircraft. The entire MTV series has an identical cabin structure. The "default" system is 3000kg, but there is also a 4000kg system (the shackle itself is rated at 6000kg). I understand that there is also a 5000kg system, but I don't know much about it, but I do know that if you put 5000kg under an Mi-8 with 3 crewmembers, you are only going to carry about 20 minutes of fuel (no reserve) on an ISA day at sea level.

 

Just because a helicopter has the structural limit to lift something you need to remember that the environment is the biggest factor. Temp and altitude.

 

So true.

[GunfighterSIX]

In another forum you said it would be hard to carry 30 troops. But 22 guys on a 9,000 pinnacle is really impressive. You should have not problems carrying around 30 guys at low altitudes. Don't get me wrong, I am not hating on the MI8. It is on the top of my dream sheet of aircraft to fly. If someone offered me a job flying one tomorrow I would jump on it.

[AlphaOneSix]

In another forum you said it would be hard to carry 30 troops. But 22 guys on a 9,000 pinnacle is really impressive. You should have not problems carrying around 30 guys at low altitudes.

 

I've never been able to *fit* 30 people in the back of an Mi-8. I think the most we've ever physically had in the back was 26, and that was standing room only. I think to fit 30 they would have to have no gear at all, and they would still be packed like sardines.

 

If someone offered me a job flying one tomorrow I would jump on it.

 

We're hiring.

[zaelu]

That is the mod I had in mind.

 

However I'm wondering if you can pick up vehicles that are already in the "vanilla" game like a jeep or a truck...

 

No, only with mods. You can carry them but only after you mod some scripts so they become also cargo. Obviously everyone needs to have same modded scripts for the mission to work well in multiplayer and also if is not the case then server might become unstable.

[Lineaxe]

My reply to this post is late, but I am wondering if you could just kill off the APC and respawn it at the destination ( which would be underneath the M18 and only after at it hovers at a certain altitude above ground). I have already created Lua code that monitors a UH-1 Huey's height off the ground in it's Drop off zones. That code could easily be modified  ... When it is on a Slingload you can change the APC to over to a  Crate (a crated APC for transport). and change it back as it gets dropped off onto the ground.  

So , 

1) Kill the APC at its current location

2) Add the weight of the APC to Mi8 cargo weight

3) Add a Crate to end of Sling  

4) Take to destination and Hover say at 40 ft , 20 ft ...   UNHOOK  Crate.

5) Kill the Crate at its dropped off location (underneath the MI 8 Chopper)

6) Respawn the APC at the dropped off location.(underneath the MI 8 Chopper)

 

Hmm, I might try this work around out , now that I have looked it over a bit.  The only problem I am still having at this point is removing the dead or destroyed (OR even the alive) Static & Ground Units. I have been trying to remove a ship after I destroy it by bombing. It still stays there on the map even after it is dead . So, until I figure out how to actually remove the unit from the map...  

Edited March 21, 2021 by Lineaxe