heli3 Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Hello folks. Just a quick question: Is the P-51D Mustang flight model the same than the default TF-51D? I'm hesitating to get either Mustang or Warthog. Which would you choose? Poll! I did some flight hours with A-10C till I got bored but now I want more :lol: However I'm in love with Mustang. YouTube Flickr
theropod Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 yes, same pfm. but p-51 has weapons then it might have little difference.
Exorcet Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 I would (and did) get both. I prefer fighters, so getting the Mustang was never something I had to think about, however DCS doesn't handled the WWII aircraft as well it does the modern ones. The simplified AI models weren't made with prop fighters in mind and they can pull crazy maneuvers. The same goes for the damage model, and enemies can soak up all of your 50 cal ammo before going down. Things do get a little better in many on many combat though, as when the AI is chasing another AI it tends to pull less extreme maneuvers. It's also easier to find a target when there are many in the air. I don't regret getting the P-51, but it will benefit from DCS World 2 when that is launched. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
fastfreddie Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Wait till the next sale and you can probably get the Mustang, Warthog, and Dora for less than $50.
Joni Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 I would (and did) get both. I prefer fighters, so getting the Mustang was never something I had to think about, however DCS doesn't handled the WWII aircraft as well it does the modern ones. The simplified AI models weren't made with prop fighters in mind and they can pull crazy maneuvers. The same goes for the damage model, and enemies can soak up all of your 50 cal ammo before going down. Things do get a little better in many on many combat though, as when the AI is chasing another AI it tends to pull less extreme maneuvers. It's also easier to find a target when there are many in the air. I don't regret getting the P-51, but it will benefit from DCS World 2 when that is launched. Jeez, I didnt know that. It's very dissapointing. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Art-J Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Flight model is the same, but a quarter of a ton empty weight difference between these two makes the handling a bit different as well. i7 9700K @ stock speed, single GTX1070, 32 gigs of RAM, TH Warthog, MFG Crosswind, Win10.
Tucano_uy Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 You said you did some hours in the A-10C! Do you mean A-10A from Flaming Cliffs or the stand alone A-10C? The key for the stand alone A-10C (IIRC) will work for DCS:World, so you may already own the warthog!!! Sorry if I didn't understand correctly.
Ala13_ManOWar Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 I would (and did) get both. I prefer fighters, so getting the Mustang was never something I had to think about, however DCS doesn't handled the WWII aircraft as well it does the modern ones. The simplified AI models weren't made with prop fighters in mind and they can pull crazy maneuvers. The same goes for the damage model, and enemies can soak up all of your 50 cal ammo before going down. Things do get a little better in many on many combat though, as when the AI is chasing another AI it tends to pull less extreme maneuvers. It's also easier to find a target when there are many in the air. I don't regret getting the P-51, but it will benefit from DCS World 2 when that is launched.DCS 1.5 in a few days should come with new AI? Anyway online combats worth the while. Not taking P-51 for 8 bucks in sale... :thumbup: S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
heli3 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Posted September 1, 2015 You said you did some hours in the A-10C! Do you mean A-10A from Flaming Cliffs or the stand alone A-10C? The key for the stand alone A-10C (IIRC) will work for DCS:World, so you may already own the warthog!!! Sorry if I didn't understand correctly. Nope, a friend let me play with the charlie for several times. So, Flight model is the same? What a shame! :mad: YouTube Flickr
Nirvi Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Nope, a friend let me play with the charlie for several times. So, Flight model is the same? What a shame! :mad: The flight model is the same because that's how it is with the real planes. Serious uglies Discord 4YA - Project Overlord WW2 Server My DCS Videos
heli3 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Posted September 1, 2015 The flight model is the same because that's how it is with the real planes. YouTube Flickr
Paradox Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 The TF-51 and P-51 have no differences other than weight and a small shift in CG. It wouldn't be noticeable in the real aircraft. Having guns makes a pretty big difference to how much I enjoy the P-51 though.
heli3 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Posted September 1, 2015 In my opinion Mustang flight model is in beta. Compare it with the IL-2 Sturmovik 1946. DCS Mustang flies more like Flight Simulator. YouTube Flickr
Solty Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 In my opinion Mustang flight model is in beta. Compare it with the IL-2 Sturmovik 1946. DCS Mustang flies more like Flight Simulator. Elaborate please.:book: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA
heli3 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Posted September 1, 2015 Pull the stick. No torque. YouTube Flickr
amalahama Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Compare it with the IL-2 Sturmovik 1946. DCS Mustang flies more like Flight Simulator.
ED Team NineLine Posted September 1, 2015 ED Team Posted September 1, 2015 In my opinion Mustang flight model is in beta. Compare it with the IL-2 Sturmovik 1946. DCS Mustang flies more like Flight Simulator. :doh: Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
msalama Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Compare it with the IL-2 Sturmovik 1946. DCS Mustang flies more like Flight Simulator. :megalol: That's a good one! The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
OnlyforDCS Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 In my opinion Mustang flight model is in beta. Compare it with the IL-2 Sturmovik 1946. DCS Mustang flies more like Flight Simulator. Oh wise one, please enlighten us! :doh: Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
Solty Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Pull the stick. No torque. I am sorry but this is too vague. Torque is present in the game and pulling on a stick causes stalling. Can you say it with a full sentence please?:helpsmilie: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA
Ala13_ManOWar Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 :shocking: :lol: :lol: :lol: S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
Anatoli-Kagari9 Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 I guess no one understood the OP, and he's 100% right. When on a real aircraft you pull the stick / yoke, your neck is, due to the resulting acceleration, subject to a torque, and Gs, and your head tends to bend forward. DCS doesn't model this, and we remain seated in our simmer armchairs without any torque experienced. It's a major flaw on most flightsims, and even worse, no graphics card or processor can address it properly, unless we start using 6DOF platforms. Flight Simulation is the Virtual Materialization of a Dream...
OnlyforDCS Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 DCS doesn't model this, and we remain seated in our simmer armchairs without any torque experienced. It's a major flaw on most flightsims, and even worse, no graphics card or processor can address it properly, unless we start using 6DOF platforms. Erm no. Not even professional military sims with full 6dof cockpits can't simulate the full effects of G-forces (or acceleration) on the human body. The max they can do is +1 or -1 g. Since that is the gravity our little planet. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
Anatoli-Kagari9 Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Erm no. Not even professional military sims with full 6dof cockpits can't simulate the full effects of G-forces (or acceleration) on the human body. The max they can do is +1 or -1 g. Since that is the gravity our little planet. Not to quote the smell. No smell from the oil and or fuel in our cockpits either - absolutely disgusting! And the temperature and humidity ? Where are they ? DO you feel it ? No! Another major flaw... See ? The OP has a point. This sim is very limited, very.... Flight Simulation is the Virtual Materialization of a Dream...
OnlyforDCS Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 My apologies. Sarcasm can be hard to detect in written form.... Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
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