Su-33 PFM

[Steph]

DCS FC3 Su 33 PFM , video by Xstounds.

:)

[OnlyforDCS]

DCS FC3 Su 33 PFM , video by Xstounds.

:)

 

Ahm, you sure about that PFM part? Im 99% sure that this mini demo was flown with the existing SFM.

[Texac]

Ahm, you sure about that PFM part? Im 99% sure that this mini demo was flown with the existing SFM.

 

The landing is much different than what we can see with the SFM and not just that part is different.

 

I'm sure it's the new PFM.

[OnlyforDCS]

The landing is different? How? It looks the same to me.

[finch]

the actual 1.5.7 openbeta have the autotrust option and also the “special mode” engine power and the other command that is not mapped yet (sorry i'm not on the pc where I have the sim so I don't remember how is called, "stick to trimming" or something like that) but I haven't really tried the su-33 yet so can't say if the PFM is implemented or not

[Vitormouraa]

Do you have any doubt about the FM they used in that video? Its very obvious, difference between simple and professional flight model is huge.

[Texac]

I'll upload a small, not the best but simple comparison in a few hours. The difference between SFM and PFM is definitely noticeable.

[Texac]

 

I've repeated the landing part so it's easier to see the differences there. For example the landing gear springs behave different.

 

My stick and thrust inputs might be not appropriate to the original video or demo but for a simple comparison it should be okay I guess. :)

Edited July 11, 2017 by Texac

[Krippz]

 

I've repeated the landing part so it's easier to see the differences there. For example the landing gear springs behave different.

 

My stick and thrust inputs might be not appropriate to the original video or demo but for a simple comparison it should be okay I guess. :)

 

Good effort; clear differences.

[Dudikoff]

So there is a moment when the wheels are touching the deck because the Su-33 is in a fixed position relative to the carrier, and the carrier is the one moving up and down. So is touch-floating-touch-floating.

 

Is this only a carrier problem? Because I seem to notice the same issue on this supposed Su-33 PFM video.

 

Perhaps what's missing is some simulation of tires adhering to the surface under pressure rather than touching the ground with the tip of their 3d object shape (sorry if such a thing is already in the game, I never really paid attention to how exactly the wheels on the ground appear)..

[Esac_mirmidon]

This is happening only on any moving ship. For planes and helicopters.

 

I've never experienced this on fixed surfaces like runways or ground.

 

Another thing is the pressure over the tires because the weight. I think is something not modelled yet but is a projected thing.

[OnlyforDCS]

 

I've repeated the landing part so it's easier to see the differences there. For example the landing gear springs behave different.

 

My stick and thrust inputs might be not appropriate to the original video or demo but for a simple comparison it should be okay I guess. :)

 

It is difficult to judge because of the "realistic" shaky cam style recording compared to your SFM video. Also none of the air maneuvers are really edge of the envelope stuff. IMO The only thing that you can accurately say that looks a bit different is the spring effect of the gear, although the wheels still look like they are on rails once they touch down.

 

I would definitely like to hear from the original author of the video, because it would be a first for eagle dynamics to release an update to the Flight Model of an aircraft, without publishing it in the patch notes.

Edited July 11, 2017 by OnlyforDCS

[rrohde]

It is difficult to judge because of the "realistic" shaky cam style recording compared to your SFM video. Also none of the air maneuvers are really edge of the envelope stuff. IMO The only thing that looks a bit different is the spring effect of the gear, although the wheels still look like they are on rails once they touch down.

 

I would definitely like to hear from the original author of the video, because it would be a first for eagle dynamics to release an update to the Flight Model of an aircraft, without publishing it in the patch notes.

 

I think we need to wait for "our" version of the Su-33's PFM when it's getting released. I am sure that Xstounds has some beta access or preview version for the purpose of making videos to tease us. ED haven't said when the PFM is ready for prime time.

[OnlyforDCS]

I am sure that Xstounds has some beta access or preview version for the purpose of making videos to tease us.

 

It is a nice video. The 2.1 effects can be seen nicely, and the sounds are terrific. It would have been nice though if he botched the landing just a little bit (or did some stalls/spins), so we could know for sure :)

 

(Also I hate, really, really hate this "shaky cam" crap that everyone keeps using. It makes it very difficult to judge what the aircraft is actually doing in the air)

Edited July 11, 2017 by OnlyforDCS

[ebabil]

the part i hate the most of the current model is ground taxi with rudder pedals. with small touch, it turns like a crazy and unrealistic

[rrohde]

the part i hate the most of the current model is ground taxi with rudder pedals. with small touch, it turns like a crazy and unrealistic

 

I agree. Ground handling with SFM (Simple Flight Model) is just not convincing. I'd rather have a FC3-level module with PFM, than a DCS-level module with SFM.

[Esac_mirmidon]

From the official news thread

 

The adaptations that make the Su-33 aircraft carrier-capable have been updated and improved to include the wing-fold mechanism, reinforced landing gear struts, and the inclusion of high-gain nose wheel steering for use on crowded carrier decks.

[Automan]

Actually the PFM in the x-stounds's video is still a WIP: I asked Chizh in the russian forum about wheels compression during landing and him confirmed that this will be implemented later.

[Steph]

What is it " wheels compression " ?

 

This ? :

[Automan]

Yes, in touchdown and braking the wheels of the gear are compressed along the suspension

[Steph]

Nice ! ;)

[laugen]

Actually the PFM in the x-stounds's video is still a WIP: I asked Chizh in the russian forum about wheels compression during landing and him confirmed that this will be implemented later.

 

So, in the air it's PFM but on the ground it's still SFM in a way?

[Automan]

I don't know, maybe a step near PFM, but porting is not completed

[Dudikoff]

Actually the PFM in the x-stounds's video is still a WIP: I asked Chizh in the russian forum about wheels compression during landing and him confirmed that this will be implemented later.

 

Ah, yes, WIP, not everything has been ported yet, that makes sense.

[AG-51_Razor]

I would certainly hope that the "High Gain" nose wheel steering would be a selectable function in the cockpit as it surely would be in the real aircraft.