IASGATG Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 But the war is winned on the ground. Not in the air. Pretty sure WW2 proved this point wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) You can destroy everything you want in the air but if you are not able to capture on the ground AB, cities and FARPS you are only increasing statistics. Obviously, air domination is a huge advantage for any ground operation, but not the one and only factor. Blue side with 60 F-15 would never be able to win and capture anything if no choppers and mud movers were involved in the ground assault. No matter they air-air ratio. The same for red side flying only Su-27. A little respect for chopper drivers and attackers. Also, without CAP cover is impossible to attack and capture anything. I think you understand me. Edited September 30, 2015 by Esac_mirmidon " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushmanni Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Nothing happens on the ground without local air superiority. And nothing assures that better than hot shot fighter pilots with good K/D ratio. K/D ratio isn't all you need but if your K/D ratio sucks you aren't providing air cover but instead targets to the enemy. Besides K/D ratio is actually a real world metric for operational performance (like during Vietnam war). The thing with limited respawn is that losses and therefore K/D actually has operational significance. DCS Finland: Suomalainen DCS yhteisö -- Finnish DCS community -------------------------------------------------- SF Squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostie Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Nothing happens on the ground without local air superiority. I hear the Mi-8s you fly are pretty handy at air superiority.:D "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bidartarra Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Pretty sure WW2 proved this point wrong. Not really. B-29s did deal the final blow to Japan, but not before islands close enough from it were captured (by grunts, on the ground) and used as launch bases. And in Europe, well the massive air raids didn't put an end to the war either. Close cooperation between air and ground, does win wars though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 It´s a cooperative effort. One without the other is useless. Fighters make movies, bombers make history..... XDDD " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViFF Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Not really. B-29s did deal the final blow to Japan, but not before islands close enough from it were captured (by grunts, on the ground) and used as launch bases. And in Europe, well the massive air raids didn't put an end to the war either. Close cooperation between air and ground, does win wars though. The B-29s and the two nukes dropped did not deal the final blow to Japan. It would have taken alot more nukes for effect. Soviet Union declaring war on Japan and executing a full blown assault in Manchuria was the final push that marginalized the hawks in the Japanese war cabinet and allowed the emperor to order the ministers to accept surrender with less risk of coupe by the military reps. of the cabinet. Another good example of a war won without air superiority is Vietnam. Basicly very much dependent on how you define "win", but the war is always won / concluded on the ground despite the best efforts in the air. S! IAF.ViFF http://www.preflight.us Israel's Combat Flight Sim Community Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzagk Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Reds have a chance after all even if during the stress tests :) "ARGO" DCS UH-1H DLC SP Campaign 373vFS DCS World squadron (Greece) - www.buddyspike.net "ARGO 2.0 Project Phoenix" UH-1H DLC Campaign - WIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaanalma Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I love this bird! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] www.36stormovirtuale.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViFF Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Greg / Xcom / Crash, from the 1.5 change log: *Added options to show message events: Kill, Takeoff/Landing, Crash and Ejecting If you can remove these messages for the clients this would be very immersive! Units killed can be confirmed only by somebody seeing them actually destroyed. Will also declutter the chat box, and finally be more usefull for "chat". S! IAF.ViFF http://www.preflight.us Israel's Combat Flight Sim Community Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaanalma Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Greg / Xcom / Crash, from the 1.5 change log: *Added options to show message events: Kill, Takeoff/Landing, Crash and Ejecting If you can remove these messages for the clients this would be very immersive! Units killed can be confirmed only by somebody seeing them actually destroyed. Will also declutter the chat box, and finally be more usefull for "chat". S! +1:thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] www.36stormovirtuale.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcom Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Statistics updated. Now you can see each pilots overview and flights. By clicking the flight takeoff time link, you will go into the events table of that flight. :D http://89.163.173.82/DCS/blueflag/Pilots.php [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BuddySpike Website | Live Map & Statistics BuddySpike Twitch Channel Buddyspike Discord Buddyspike Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaanalma Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Great! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] www.36stormovirtuale.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra99 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Basically very much dependent on how you define "win", but the war is always won / concluded on the ground despite the best efforts in the air. Operation Allied Force absolutly "Won" a war without ground combatants. "During the 78-day campaign, sorties peaked in late May and early June. For example, on May 26, NATO aircraft flew nearly 900 sorties, and by June 2, 1999, Milosevic agreed to end the conflict. The terms of the agreement stipulated that Milosevic would withdraw his forces from Kosovo, a NATO-led force would provide security for the province; refugees would be allowed to return to their homes, and Kosovo would be granted self-rule under Yugoslav sovereignty. On June 10, the Serbian government ratified the agreement and Serbian forces began their withdrawal from Kosovo as elements of the Kosovo Force (KFOR) began to arrive." http://www.afhso.af.mil/topics/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=18652 The use of air power force Milosevic to withdraw his troops...the objective of the operation. While ground troops went in later to prevent hostilities and see that the peace accords were being followed...Airpower did indeed win the war. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon_S Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Operation Allied Force absolutly "Won" a war without ground combatants. "During the 78-day campaign, sorties peaked in late May and early June. For example, on May 26, NATO aircraft flew nearly 900 sorties, and by June 2, 1999, Milosevic agreed to end the conflict. The terms of the agreement stipulated that Milosevic would withdraw his forces from Kosovo, a NATO-led force would provide security for the province; refugees would be allowed to return to their homes, and Kosovo would be granted self-rule under Yugoslav sovereignty. On June 10, the Serbian government ratified the agreement and Serbian forces began their withdrawal from Kosovo as elements of the Kosovo Force (KFOR) began to arrive." http://www.afhso.af.mil/topics/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=18652 The use of air power force Milosevic to withdraw his troops...the objective of the operation. While ground troops went in later to prevent hostilities and see that the peace accords were being followed...Airpower did indeed win the war. Yeah... CNN facts and version of history The real story in short is as follows: - NATO wanted to give up in the next two or three days because aviation strikes were not successful + surprisingly pretty big losses. - At that time while NATO is thinking about quitting, Milosevic is cheated from inside. Betrayal + false promises from the West = Milosevic believing tricksters - traitors and agreed to withdraw. Now we see that this is true. Now, You can laugh >> you can believe in anything >> there is always another side >> the facts are quite different, so take care when you cite examples >> :censored: Over and out! Quote Немој ништа силом, узми већи чекић! MSI Tomahawk MAX | Ryzen 7 3700x | 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | RX 5700 XT OC Red Dragon 8GB | VPC Throttle CM3 + VPC Constellation ALPHA on VPC WarBRD Base | HP Reverb G2 Youtube | Follow Me on TWITCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Now this is IMPRESSIVE! Statistics updated. Now you can see each pilots overview and flights. By clicking the flight takeoff time link, you will go into the events table of that flight. :D http://89.163.173.82/DCS/blueflag/Pilots.php ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcom Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 It's a little slow, but I'll work on optimizing the DB and the queries, hopefully I'll find good ways to make it quicker. Guys with special characters in the nickname might have issues with specific information about themselves until I fix encoding to the URL. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BuddySpike Website | Live Map & Statistics BuddySpike Twitch Channel Buddyspike Discord Buddyspike Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViFF Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Statistics updated. Now you can see each pilots overview and flights. By clicking the flight takeoff time link, you will go into the events table of that flight. :D http://89.163.173.82/DCS/blueflag/Pilots.php Xcom you magnificent god of SQL !!! this is truly amazing! Some suggestions: 1. Add a column for real world date and time stamp (GMT) so we will be able to correlate when we look back some days or even weeks later at the sorties we did in each campaign. 2. Adjust the time stamp for take off time and landing time with the in-game time i.e. Viking_Tsunami / Sortie# 17 / Day 3 / Take Of Time would be 08:37:22 instead of 62:37:22... S! IAF.ViFF http://www.preflight.us Israel's Combat Flight Sim Community Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruja Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 While we waiting for round 3........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknetinium Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Statistics updated. Now you can see each pilots overview and flights. By clicking the flight takeoff time link, you will go into the events table of that flight. :D http://89.163.173.82/DCS/blueflag/Pilots.php From what time period is stats recorded? I have only 8 air to air kills recorded:geek: Edited October 1, 2015 by Teknetinium 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcom Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 from the start of the stress test last week. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BuddySpike Website | Live Map & Statistics BuddySpike Twitch Channel Buddyspike Discord Buddyspike Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknetinium Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 rgr, I will track it from now on. 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcom Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 yes please, if you see any issues let me know. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BuddySpike Website | Live Map & Statistics BuddySpike Twitch Channel Buddyspike Discord Buddyspike Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruja Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 This stats record should restart when round 3 starts cozz lot of people just had fun this days and didnt played for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzagk Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) While we waiting for round 3........... LOOOOOOL!!! :megalol::megalol::megalol: Great vid! Another proof that our secret project works... New F-15C AFM able to do the cobra maneuver :D About the stats yes of course they will be reseted for each round and have an archieve for the future. Edit: Btw the keyrings just arrived :) Greg Edited October 1, 2015 by gregzagk "ARGO" DCS UH-1H DLC SP Campaign 373vFS DCS World squadron (Greece) - www.buddyspike.net "ARGO 2.0 Project Phoenix" UH-1H DLC Campaign - WIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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