Arren Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Hi All, Played a bit of BS1 back in the day, getting back into DCS now... Just a quick question re purchases - is tehre a major difference between the FM or coding or graphics of the DCS World Modules of the SU-27 and the F-15 vs those in FC3? I know FC 3 gives me more planes to play with but tbh I'm going to get BS2 and between that and the Toad-T it'll probably satisfy my ground-pounding needs, if it doesn't there's the A10-C and the 20-odd bucks I save can go to wards other modules... I also hate carrier landings (so no need for the SU-33) and am more curious about soviet fighter than passionate (So an SU AND a MiG is probably overkill - and I might get the miG-21 DCS module instead) thoughts? 1
mwd2 Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Just a quick question re purchases - is tehre a major difference between the FM or coding or graphics of the DCS World Modules of the SU-27 and the F-15 vs those in FC3? They are the same! Playing: DCS World Intel i7-13700KF, 64GB DDR5 @5600MHz, RTX 4080 ZOTAC Trinity, WIN 11 64Bit Prof. Squadron "Serious Uglies" / Discord-Server: https://discord.gg/2WccwBh Ghost0815
OnlyforDCS Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Hi All, Played a bit of BS1 back in the day, getting back into DCS now... Just a quick question re purchases - is tehre a major difference between the FM or coding or graphics of the DCS World Modules of the SU-27 and the F-15 vs those in FC3? I know FC 3 gives me more planes to play with but tbh I'm going to get BS2 and between that and the Toad-T it'll probably satisfy my ground-pounding needs, if it doesn't there's the A10-C and the 20-odd bucks I save can go to wards other modules... I also hate carrier landings (so no need for the SU-33) and am more curious about soviet fighter than passionate (So an SU AND a MiG is probably overkill - and I might get the miG-21 DCS module instead) thoughts? The Mig29 will be getting a PFM soon, as will the Su33. Basically the FC3 is ridiculous value for money, even at full price. Remember you will also get the A10A as well as the SU25A included. I think both have the PFM too. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
Flycat Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 su-27 and f-15 doesn't have the clickable cockpit like ka-50. ka-50 is full detail and the same modules as it are a-10, l-39, f-86, mig-15, mig-21, mi-8, uh-1 and 3 wwii bird. and some of aircraft in fc3 will upgraded flight model, cockpit texture and external model to detail and high level, just like f-15/su-27. fc3 is worth to have it.
Redacuragsr Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 I think FC3 is the best value because you get a variety of aircraft, and ED is still updating them to better standards, so really good value. Modules are fun too, that's what got me into Dcs in the first place, but now that I have less time I find it more satisfying to jump into FC3, especially in multiplayer.
Arren Posted October 15, 2015 Author Posted October 15, 2015 Ok, do the 'plane specific' modules of the F-15 and the Su-27 receive the same sorts of updates? I get that FC3 is great value for money -if you fly the extra aircraft. But World's free Su-25T basically kills any interest I'd have in the 25-A and the same as the A-10. The Su-33 holds no interest for me because I don't want to fly off or onto carriers. ..hence why I'm on the fence a bit! The mig might be fun though, but does it warrant an extra 20 bucks that might go towards a "Full" dcs module like the MiG 21?
Frostie Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Same is same, they are the same as FC3 hence they receive the same updates. But you buy one you'll soon want the other and then when the 29 gets its update you'll be wanting that and as for 33, carrier traps and a2a refuelling is awesome especially in a mission with other players, when that gets updated you're gonna wish you'd just got FC3 in the sales. A10a for me is long gone since beta A10c but the 25a is amazing fun far surpasses the 25t for satisfaction. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
Slazi Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Just get FC3. The stock Su-25 is actually a lot of fun to fly. You'll only regret not having bought it IF you play for any length of time.
DrDetroit Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) I too was going to get FC3, I went with the single module from Steam and purchased the SU-27 instead. I'm with OP - I have the A10C, so don't need the A model, and until the Mig-29 get's updated I'm not interested yet and the SU-25 - ugg. Very happy with my choice. SU-27 is a fantastic module, high quality, and I believe has the PFM already. Love it to death (many deaths so far - not easy to fly at first - likes to invert and stall while doing high AoA maneuvers if not careful). Would be nice if ED added some bits of an interactive cockpit - would be cool but not absolutely necessary I suppose. A bit more detailed Nav system, ILS and Comms would also be welcomed. Was thinking about the F-15, but I just had to get the SU-27 first. F-15 next! Good luck! DrDetroit Edited October 15, 2015 by DrDetroit
Haukka81 Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 A-10A is great, its good old hog , perfect to some 70-80's scenarios :) And same for old SU-25A , really nice for cold war gone hot scenarios :) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Oculus CV1, Odyssey, Pimax 5k+ (i5 8400, 24gb ddr4 3000mhz, 1080Ti OC ) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
JABO2009 Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 The Mig29 will be getting a PFM soon, as will the Su33. Basically the FC3 is ridiculous value for money, even at full price. Remember you will also get the A10A as well as the SU25A included. I think both have the PFM too. This. Im enjoying FC3 from day one , and my so loved Mig29 is finally getting the love she deserved by ED. having FC3 is a great value add for DCSW. Intel I7 - 10700 K @ 3,80GHz / 64 GB DDR3 / RTX 3090 / Win 10 Home 64 bit / Logitech X56 HOTAS / HP Reverb G2 Running DCS on latest OB version
Deano87 Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Just buy FC3, There is a lot of fun to be had with some of the other aircraft when you get bored with flying the main aircraft all the time. Remember you get $8 bonus on the DCS store with FC3 at the moment which you can put towards a future purchase. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
Cibit Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Get them all:P i5 8600k@5.2Ghz, Asus Prime A Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3000, GTX1080 SC, Oculus Rift CV1, Modded TM Warthog Modded X52 Collective, Jetseat, W10 Pro 64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Adding JTAC Guide //My Vid's//229th AHB
Deano87 Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Get them all:P +1!:thumbup: Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
bolek Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 [...]the 25a is amazing fun far surpasses the 25t for satisfaction. I heard people say that before but I am curious why? I thought Su-25T could do everything that Su-25 can? Is it about better performance in flight? Not having Shkval (you can always not use it :))? Thanks Bolek
Frostie Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 I heard people say that before but I am curious why? I thought Su-25T could do everything that Su-25 can? Is it about better performance in flight? Not having Shkval (you can always not use it :))? Thanks Bolek The Toad 25T makes easy work compared to the vanilla Frogfoot which is more agile, more challenging and more rewarding. In some peoples view this equals more fun. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
johnv2pt0 Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 I heard people say that before but I am curious why? I thought Su-25T could do everything that Su-25 can? Is it about better performance in flight? Not having Shkval (you can always not use it :))? Thanks Bolek I enjoy the 25A more than the 25T. As others have said, it's faster and more maneuverable at the expense of some capability and fuel. I enjoy the feel of it in the hands and the fact that it forces you to keep your eyes outside of the cockpit...which is a mistake I see basically everyone make in the sim. Systems are supposed to enhance situational awareness not replace it so it's fun to force yourself to practice the fundamentals ... imho. To the OP: It's a personal preference thing, but the more you fly the more you might find yourself seeking out the other aircraft you didn't think you'd want. I'd get FC3...good bang for your buck.
j.sabo12 Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 I find the Su-25A more of a challenge and fun to fly than the Su-25T, but I might be the only one. While the Su-25T everything is more clinical, in the Su-25A, more depends on pilot skill. Boeing 737 NG instructor at Simulator Centrum in Bratislava, Slovakia
Vectury Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) FC3 should be called the 'DCS starters pack'. A lot of bang for your buck, even at full price. I honestly see it as a must have. After that, just get whatever type you like flying most (A2G, A2A, choppers...) Personally, as an A2A pilot, I am loving the Mig-21bis. It's an impressive module that gives massive satisfaction if you get it right. Edited October 16, 2015 by Vectury [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] -- i7 4790K -- Club 3D R9 290X Royal Ace SOC -- Asus Maximus VII Ranger -- G.Skill Trident X 16GB DDR3-2400 CL10 -- Gelid Tranquillo rev.2 -- Corsair RM850 -- Corsair 760T White -- Windows 10
Deano87 Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 To the OP: It's a personal preference thing, but the more you fly the more you might find yourself seeking out the other aircraft you didn't think you'd want. Exactly That! Variety is the spice of life! Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
Slazi Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 Systems are supposed to enhance situational awareness not replace it so it's fun to force yourself to practice the fundamentals ... imho. TBH that was mainly due to awful visibility pre-1.5. All you would see is sky and green outside the cockpit unless you were super zoomed.
Harnis Posted October 16, 2015 Posted October 16, 2015 I started out playing this game with Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2. I'd fully recommend getting FC3. It gives you the F-15C, an awesome a2a fighter with a detailed radar and nice flight model. You get the awesome Su-27, Su-33, and MiG-29, which are very fun flight models, great a2a, with a bit of a2g possible. There's the supremely fun Su-25 which is one of my favorites to fly. It's simple and basic and just has a great feel to it. Then you get the A-10A, which is basically a way to get some BRRRTTT in without the amount of time investment you'd need to learn DCS A-10C. Don't bother wasting money on buying he F-15 and Su-27 separately. You can buy FC3 when it goes on sale for the same price as those two modules at full price. And the aircraft there are still getting updates, with the F-15 and Su-27 recent improvements to flight models, the new 3d cockpit for the mig29, etc. FC3 aircraft will only get better.
vali_grad Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Get 'em all as someone said before. I bought FC3 and su27 campaign after a few weeks playing with su25t in mission editor . Love the A-10 - too easy to kill enemys, su 25A is a downside if you're used to spin the Schval a lot. The fighters remain fighters, to fun to drop (you can attach smoke rockets for aerobatics ;) ), SU 27 cobra/carrier landing, F15 sick stall tremours/awesome hud clarity, su 33 refueling adrenaline, the Migs awesome to fly around - more stable than su 27 . I'll get a decent pc upgrade and controls cause I don't have any, and buy EVERYTHING :)) its worth it ! Su34 & F111 a dream fullfilled in fsx...[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] i5 5600, 1050ti, 16 GVram, win10 , TM W hotas&rudder, waiting for 1060/1070 price fall or a new gpu family..f*&9 miners :)
millenix Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I'll say thank for the advice in this thread also, in the same boat. Waiting on the season sales now, and will grab several modules when that happens. Millenix | 68th Virtual Fighter Squadron AV8B | AJS-37 | F-5E | Mig-21bis | P-51D | Spitfire Mk IX | Bf-109 | M-2000C | A-10C | U1-H1 | Ka-50 | FC3
Arren Posted October 22, 2015 Author Posted October 22, 2015 Well, I picked up FC3 as a self-reward for good study habits. Destroyed said habits for the next 48 hours. 11/10 would risk own future again. Thanks for the help guys!
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