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Time stamps don't lie, you amended the post 2 minutes AFTER mine was posted.

 

Yes, because i fixed typos and added *one* sentence.

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And this was addressed to you as an individual?

 

Yes, clearly.

 

I refer to you, and the other 7.2 BILLION - please note the size of that number - BILLION, that's 1x10^9 other people.

 

If that's what you meant, than that's what you should have written. I'm not psychic, i can only interpret what you write. Suppose that's what you meant, is it preferrable to insult 7.2 billion people versus just me? That is a strange assessment.

 

Again, you get the impression you matter outside your own little bubble. Why is it you feel so important that anyone would actually consider your existence to be relevant in the great scheme of things?

 

 

You are imagining things that were not written and judge other's posts by your rather creative interpretation. At the very least, don't force me to go into that again by stating more stuff that you think was said but actually wasn't, would you?

 

Quoted for truth.

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Something as benign as my adress book is enough to profile my social network (or my phone records). You don't need access to a social networking website (like facebook) to get that data, which was part of my argument. Not that there's a lot about me on any of them.

The only way Nvidia is getting your personal data is if you voluntarily gave it to them by creating an account.

 

Bottomline is that like it or not, this is their choice (nothing new or world shattering here either), the program does a lot of cool stuff, collects some data, and everyone lives happily ever after, or you refuse to use it, switch to AMD until they start doing the same thing...

Seeing as AMD is getting clobbered by Nvidia I'd suspect they'll follow suit with this:

http://raptr.com/amd

 

The world would be better served by some good competition between Red and Green vs Red just getting pwned.

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The only way Nvidia is getting your personal data is if you voluntarily gave it to them by creating an account.

 

Yes, we have ventured a little OT.;)

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You realise to count all the people on the planet would take you 288 years - that's without actually going to wherever they happen to be, and spending 1 second on each person. I just worked that out all by myself!

 

Kinda puts things in perspective. Sobek, if you think you're being insulted by views expressed in a debate then I pity you. I can assure you that 7.199999 billion people are utterly unaware we exist, so how would they take what I say as an insult? We ARE utterly uninteresting, and that is the bottom line. If you consider that to be an insult, can you explain to me exactly why?

 

There is a saying - where it comes from I don't recall - it goes "May nothing new happen" It is an expression of good will - sort of "May your life be boring" - it implies that if your life is routine, you won't be facing any crises. Trust me, you don't want to be interesting, anonymity is a great thing (as you are supposedly at great pains to maintain!), and to be boring and mundane is no insult. Quite the contrary.

 

If you insist on the last word, be my guest, I am now utterly tired of this. You have your views, I have mine. Where the truth lays is never going to be established. Load the updates, don't load the updates, who cares any more? I wish you well, and I have never intentionally insulted you. If you wish to be touchy about things, then that is your choice, knock yourself out!

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I'm still trying to figure out how Nvidia anonymously collecting data on the performance of graphics cards is a threat to the freedom of all mankind...

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I'm still trying to figure out how Nvidia anonymously collecting data on the performance of graphics cards is a threat to the freedom of all mankind...

 

They are saying it opens a "door" into your computer, another one that wasnt there that someone could abuse at some point if they so choose, but they also say they dont have anything interesting to steal so hackers wouldnt bother with them... so yeah, I am gonna leave this topic with, I am ok with this new fancy control panel... I will keep it on my machine with no stress or worries, the end.

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I'm still trying to figure out how Nvidia anonymously collecting data on the performance of graphics cards is a threat to the freedom of all mankind...

 

That would seem to be a stretch... :thumbdown:

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That would seem to be a stretch... :thumbdown:

 

You should really read the thread if it interests you, at least the first part before it veered hopelessly OT. I find that the TLDR statements in here fail to capture what the people who oppose the move by nVidia rave about.

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And Nvidia won't have your email address unless you gave it to them. And GFE doesn't collect anything identifiable on you unless you actually made an account with Nvidia.

 

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/geforce-experience-beta-update-introduces-new-gamestream-and-streaming-features:

In the new GeForce Experience Beta update we’re adding an email registration feature so we can better support and communicate with our users; the next time you download a Game Ready driver through GeForce Experience you’ll be asked for a verified email address. After that you’ll have instant access to drivers, will receive NVIDIA product news and announcements, and have the chance to win hardware, free game codes, early access to game betas, and other cool stuff.

 

As I understand it, that part will become mandatory after GFE beta. If I did not understand that correctly (which would in turn mean that we're all posting under wrong assumptions), could you point out how to get up-to-date drivers without providing nVidia with a valid email address in the future?

 

The second source link I posted in #1 says this will become mandatory, but they may have misread the statement. So, if you have more detailed knowledge, it would be kind if you could share it. Otherwise, let me point out that "Nvidia won't have your email address unless you gave it to them" is one of the major things that this is all about.

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That is correct. Beginning sometime in December, you will only be able to get the latest drivers through GeForce Experience. And GFE will require registration with a valid email address.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2993272/software-games/nvidia-plans-to-lock-game-ready-drivers-behind-geforce-experience-registration.html

 

Nvidia will continue to provide a driver outside of GFE, but only on a limited basis, like once a quarter for whatever driver they choose to put out there. We shall see how long even that lasts.

 

Understand they want this information from it's users and want them all to use GFE only so they can do an even better job for us, by analyzing our computer habits, what games we play, the hardware we run, etc...

:)

 

I have decided it is what it is. Hate to see them going down this road. I personally have no need for GFE therefore will not install it, I prefer a lean and mean system and doing my own tweaking, so will just wait for the quarterly releases unless the drivers somehow become available elsewhere.

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http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/geforce-experience-beta-update-introduces-new-gamestream-and-streaming-features:

 

 

As I understand it, that part will become mandatory after GFE beta. If I did not understand that correctly (which would in turn mean that we're all posting under wrong assumptions), could you point out how to get up-to-date drivers without providing nVidia with a valid email address in the future?

 

The second source link I posted in #1 says this will become mandatory, but they may have misread the statement. So, if you have more detailed knowledge, it would be kind if you could share it. Otherwise, let me point out that "Nvidia won't have your email address unless you gave it to them" is one of the major things that this is all about.

From what that article says you can still get the usual quarterly driver updates via Windows Update or GeForce.com. It's the "Game Ready" drivers you'll need to be signed into GFE for. Also something like 95% of all the Nvidia card owners already use GFE so requiring it isn't a big deal.

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Also, if I were a hacker, I'd see your opening lines in that last post, and make you target numero uno! [...]

 

The attempt is probably useless, but let's try anyway.

 

You appear to work under the assumption that somewhere out there, some evil person sits at his computer and waits for an opportunity to pick individual targets that will then be attacked in a very individual way.

 

Under this assumption, I understand how you cannot understand the point of keeping a low profile.

 

The thing is, these evil people don't act on an email address. They act on sets of millions of email addresses or whatever they can get their hands on, and the more data they have available, the more targeted any attack can be. These attacks are not performed individually, they are scripted and automated, and any proverbial script kiddie can carry them out.

 

If I give my data to Google and nVidia and Facebook and whatnot, chances are this data will be included in gigantic sets of data theft and I will be targeted, maybe by simple spam, maybe by things much worse, at some point in the future without ever doing anything except hand my data to these companies.

 

So long as I have a say in it, I will not supply them with my data, or I will supply as little as possible, because whatever they don't have can't be stolen.

 

Just like all this paranoia regarding intelligence gathering. The fact is, you have to do something out of the ordinary - to fit a very specific pattern to even appear on their radar. [...]

 

Right. Imagine every phone call, every email, every SMS, every chat and forum post gets recorded, stored, analyzed, categorized and aggregated. Now stop imagining -- it does happen.

 

Am I under investigation by the authorities because I sometimes talk about suicide bombings? Will I be denied entry to some country because their profiling software says I'm a potential threat? Will it be used against me that I'm a proficient combat flight sim pilot? Who knows? I don't, and I guess no one person on the planet does. They could look it up, but it's just a Bit (or rather many Bytes) of data, and I don't know who created the algorithms, or how they work.

 

And no, I will not stop talking about suicide bombings. I will not stop flying DCS. That would be paranoid. But does the combination trigger a flag in some database? What if I'm also a frequent visitor on the rifle range and occasionally google for pressure cooking pots?

 

No, I don't fear that the cops will go and arrest me just because I have everyday conversations on the telephone. But there are millions of ways any of that data could be used against any of us.

 

And that is assuming we won't be getting a fascist government that actively uses the data against us. (Finally, Godwin).

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From what that article says you can still get the usual quarterly driver updates via Windows Update or GeForce.com.

 

Going in circles.

 

It's the "Game Ready" drivers you'll need to be signed into GFE for.

 

Going in circles.

 

Also something like 95% of all the Nvidia card owners already use GFE so requiring it isn't a big deal.

 

Going in circles.

 

Do you have something new to add?

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*Disclaimer*: This is completely OT. :music_whistling:

 

What you ought to be worried about is how much longer it will be habitable, not which one of the other infestees is interested in infesting your sad lonely sorry life.

 

Another thought that just popped into my head out of nowhere, i thought you might find that angle interesting:

 

Spam accounts for a ridiculous amount of network traffic. Wikipedia states a study from 2007 that numbers the annual cost of spam in the US alone at $13 billion. That is a combination of ressources lost through the sheer network traffic that it generates, the energy that botnets use up to send that spam, there's a few other more complicated mechanisms that make it cost even more energy that i won't go into, then there's the manhours lost in people dealing with spam that could otherwise do productive things that generate wealth for society, etc.

 

So even if you're not concerned about your data, a thing so seemingly inconsequential as a few million compromised email adresses has a significant environmental impact. Bottom line: Keep your computer safe, keep your data as secure as reasonably possible, you're actually doing something for the environment. :)

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Going in circles.

 

 

 

Going in circles.

 

 

 

Going in circles.

 

Do you have something new to add?

No I don't have anything new really. I'm just quoting the articles you linked.

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*Disclaimer*: This is completely OT. :music_whistling:

 

 

 

Another thought that just popped into my head out of nowhere, i thought you might find that angle interesting:

 

Spam accounts for a ridiculous amount of network traffic. Wikipedia states a study from 2007 that numbers the annual cost of spam in the US alone at $13 billion. That is a combination of ressources lost through the sheer network traffic that it generates, the energy that botnets use up to send that spam, there's a few other more complicated mechanisms that make it cost even more energy that i won't go into, then there's the manhours lost in people dealing with spam that could otherwise do productive things that generate wealth for society, etc.

 

So even if you're not concerned about your data, a thing so seemingly inconsequential as a few million compromised email adresses has a significant environmental impact. Bottom line: Keep your computer safe, keep your data as secure as reasonably possible, you're actually doing something for the environment. :)

Nobody likes Spam but there's obviously nothing that can legally be done to regulate it (in the USA anyways)

I actually hate paper junk mail worse. Now there's a calamity. Spam email is easy to filter or delete.

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Nobody likes Spam but there's obviously nothing that can legally be done to regulate it (in the USA anyways)

 

I'm not talking about state regulation. I'm talking about prevention by the end user. You can either opt out of spam or do your best to prevent your mail adress falling into the wrong hands.

 

Spam email is easy to filter or delete.

 

Yeah but at that point, the damage is already done.

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Junk mail, no matter how it is transmitted, is a drain on resources of all kinds. But that, as sobek said, is getting further OT.

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I'm not talking about state regulation. I'm talking about prevention by the end user. You can either opt out of spam or do your best to prevent your mail adress falling into the wrong hands.

 

 

 

Yeah but at that point, the damage is already done.

Oh sure. For example I never give out my business email and surprise surprise I never get any spam there. I don't see any harm in Nvidia having my personal email though. It's just not that big a deal.

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I sympathise with Sobek

A skeptical attitude towards giving your personal data on the internet to any who claims you benefit and offers more comfort is an intelligent act. It does unfortunately cost you some extra effort and computer knowledge helps to dodge marketing soft-talks. If that is paranoid then thinking otherwise is equally proportional naive and often lazy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Art: 496 - This is a general statement and should not be read as being personal.

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By the way, that link is broken. Let the rumor-milling commence. ;)

I think this is what you're looking for

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/geforce-experience-beta-update-introduces-new-gamestream-and-streaming-features

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By the way, that link is broken. Let the rumor-milling commence. ;)

 

I would have liked the conspiracy theories unavoidably coming up when nVidia redact their statement.

 

But the simple truth is I probably forgot to check if the link actually works, and so the forum included a colon that didn't belong there. Fixed now. ;)

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