TomOnSteam Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I'm really loving what Polychop are doing from everything I've seen so far. I absolutely love the idea of flying a small and nimble helicopter that floats like a butterfly and stings tanks like a bee :) I don't know much about the Gazelle or BO-105, but would I be right saying that they have a similar role on the battlefield? What are there differences, and should I be choosing one over the other, and for what reason? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cockpit Spectator Mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valinor Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Well, if you want something that is small and nimble i think the Gazelle fits more that. But i am also curious if someone can tell me something more about the Bo-105 too. I only know Red Bull had one :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necroscope Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm not sure if tanks will be afraid of bee stings anyway. It's the Tanks for god sake. :) Всех убью, один останусь! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Both use state of the art anti-tank weapons. I think they will be a similar danger to tanks as a KA-50. They don't carry that much ammo though, so a KA-50 is still the better anti tank weapon system. Both are pretty nimble, the Bo-105 a bit more than the Gazelle IIRC, although it is bigger. They have very similar weapons and sensor systems (depends a bit on the version). I think the Bo-105 can carry more unguided rockets (or gun ammo if it has gun pods) so it might be a bit better against infantry or other soft targets. IIRC the Gazelle has a bit more range. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadnine Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 In Sweden we use the Bo105 (Hkp9A) as a mobile Anti -tank platform with predetermined fighting positions. A wing fired from one position the sneaked to the next using Noe flying. (I Server 1 year as i ground crew on the Hkp 9 in the 90 s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSKRipper Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) The Bo-105 is an extremely agile helicopter. As stated before the Red Bull Team owns one and you can find more than a couple of vids showing the aerobatic skills of this machine. The real deal when it comes to fighting is that trained helicopter pilots needed 3 years of extra education to move these tank killers like they were supposed to do. When an Apache Pilot speaks of NOE flight a German PAH-Driver asks for Oxygen :music_whistling: They operated at 10 feet AGL with high foward speed to reach their fire zones. Each of them was only a small sting to the enemy tank formation but since they operated in groups where the helicopters were independent from each other and every helicopter was carrying 6 missiles, they could hit like a swarm of african killer bees on a afternoon tea party :megalol: [ame] [/ame] [ame] [/ame] And one in english.... [ame] [/ame] Edited December 19, 2015 by FSKRipper 1 i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomOnSteam Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 wow that looks really fun! I hope one day there will be a map with this kind of terrain, nice big trees to hide behind :) The last video mentions gun pods - are we getting those too ? :D --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cockpit Spectator Mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avimimus Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I'll be a fan of whichever one gives me unguided weapons. SACLOS is pretty close ...but I still want a few rockets or a gunpod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagrum Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 That first video pops up every once in a while here in this subforum ... and I just can't get enough of it, lol. That flying ... together with that "80's porno"-style music - just awesome. :o) I am so looking forward to fly it. I wonder, how agile it will feel ... maybe the Bo compares to the Huey as the Huey compares to the Hip? :o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Both of those helis are extremely nimble. Ed Macy calls the Gazelle a "flying sports car" and I was told that some pilots of the Bo-105 describe it as "riding a motorbike through the air". Bo-105 compared to Huey is even more than Huey compared to Mi-8. Plus it is built differently. The construction allows for more extreme maneuvers. A look at the numbers: Bo-105: 840 hp and a typical weight of around 2 tons Huey: 1400 hp but typically flying around with a weight of around 4 tons. Mi-8: almost 4000 hp but flying around with a weight of 11 tons. Even empty it is heavier than a Huey and a Bo-105 combined. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schroedi Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Gazelle has four HOT missiles and BO-105 has six. Does the BO have a RWR and countermeasures, too? Edited December 20, 2015 by schroedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 AFAIK there is an RWR (pretty sure we could see it in some cockpit pictures already). Concerning flare dispensers: I know at least some Bo-105 had them, but to be honest I can't find any pictures to prove it on the net. I am pretty sure (not 100% though) that the Polychop Bo-105 will have flare dispensers. Concerning chaffs I don't know. I would tend to say no. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borchi_2b Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I have not seen any Bo105PAH1 with flare dispencers or even chaff. I guess Olli will be able to answer that in detail but as far I have seen them live, none of them had flares. http://www.polychop-sims.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volator Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Bo-105 of the German Army never had chaff/flare dispensers AFAIK. CH53G were the only German Army helicopters equipped with flare dispensers, and now there is the Tiger which has them of course. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Gazelle has four HOT missiles and BO-105 has six. Does the BO have a RWR and countermeasures, too? RWR: The BO-105 PAH1A1 have a RWR which is simulated in the module. It shows bars that tells the pilot in length and angle from which direction the radarbeam is scanning the BO. A "wobbling" sound also indicates the strength of the scan. The BO has 4 spiral Antennas which covers 360° The RWR also have a Missile Alert light. Flare Dispensers: There is a korean BO-105 CBS with Flare Dispensers, Gunpod (Mauser) and Rocketpods. When I get info on how these work, I will simulate it also. Edited December 21, 2015 by The_Fragger 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomOnSteam Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 RWR and and flares - very cool! Is it pushing it asking about the gun pod? :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cockpit Spectator Mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yup Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 RWR: The BO-105 PAH1A1 have a RWR which is simulated in the module. It shows bars that tells the pilot in length and angle from which direction the radarbeam is scanning the BO. A "wobbling" sound also indicates the strength of the scan. The BO has 4 spiral Antennas which covers 360° The RWR also have a Missile Alert light. Flare Dispensers: There is a korean BO-105 CBS with Flare Dispensers, Gunpod (Mauser) and Rocketpods. When I get info on how these work, I will simulate it also. This is gonna be amazing!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fragger Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 RWR and and flares - very cool! Is it pushing it asking about the gun pod? :) I don't know how the target acquiring with the gunpod works. Is there a gunsight or does it work it over the sight sytem at the roof...a lot of questions :) 2D/3D Artist MILTECH-5 /PD Lead 3D Artist - TrueGrit Virtual Technologies [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] BO-105 PAH1A1/VBH / HKP-9A / BO-105 CBS-5 KLH Eurofighter Typhoon https://www.facebook.com/PolyDynamicsDCS/ Windows 10 (x64) 3x Corsair SSD GT 250 GB Mainboard: Asus STRIX Z390-F CPU: Intel Core I9-9900K @ 3.60GHz RAM: 64 Gb Graphics: MSI GForce GTX 980 TI 4GB HOTAS Warthog Hofmann Simpad Rudders Oculus Rift / Oculus Touch Heavy Metal is the law ! :punk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) I read somewhere that some dutch Bo-105 were also equipped with flare dispensers. I'll go and try to dig up some information about them. Edited December 21, 2015 by Aginor DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) The Bo-105 in the "Nationaal Militair Museum" in Soesterberg has two flare dispensers: http://www.airventure.de/tips_soesterberg/bo105.jpg http://www.vanwageningen.net/upload/2015/04/18/20150418133825-53641851.jpg http://www.aviationmuseum.eu/World/Europe/Netherlands/Soest/NMM/Bo-105CB-4_B-37.JPG http://www.sbap.be/museum/soesterberg/soes%20220.jpg Some more pics on this site: http://www.ipms.nl/walkarounds/walkaround-helicopters/839-walkaround-bo-105.html EDIT: Lots of pictures actually. Some very detailed. But it seems that only a later version had them. The site says: "Later, some aircraft were modified with kevlar plates and chaff/flare dispensers for UN operations. They are referred to as Bo-105CB4 and also have slightly more powerfull engines." And from the looks of it I am not sure if those ones are compatible with the HOT or TOW launchers, they might be in the way.... Edited December 21, 2015 by Aginor DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Here's another video about the combat employment of the Bo-105. I posted it already in another thread but it also fits here I think. It's in german, but the video speaks for itself: Fly low (very low! -> 2:20 in the video) and stay in cover. If in position, pop up very quickly, shoot and gtfo :D Edited December 21, 2015 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schroedi Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Regarding the targeting system of both helos. What can the viviane of the Sa342m can do better or more than the system in the Bo-105. I ask because the targeting System of the Bo-105 is just the size of a cake box, whereras the viviane of the Gazelle has the size of a whole oven and both helos were modernized in nearly the same era. So why such a big difference in size, what can the system in the Gazelle do better or more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Looney Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 One is german engineering, the other french... ? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commodore 64 | MOS6510 | VIC-II | SID6581 | DD 1541 | KCS Power Cartridge | 64Kb | 32Kb external | Arcade Turbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schroedi Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I was thinking more of stuff like: do both have LLTV, FLIR, Laser? How much can the optic zoom in and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHelljumper Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 One is german engineering, the other french... ? How dare you :mad::D Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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