thesystem Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 I was reading in the Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide and there I saw that the Su-27 (no version included) Flanker could carry the following weapons: One 30mm GSH-30-2 Cannon R-27 Alamo AAM R-33 Amos AAM R-60 Aphid AAM R-73 Archer AAM bombs;rockets and external fuel tanks.... So is it legal, to carry the R-33 in Lomac? What is your oppinion? For the fanatics: Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide 2005 ISBN: 0-00-718329-1 Page: 174 DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21
Pilotasso Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 It has been debated to death serveral times and quoted as wrong info. Only the Mig-31 can carry it. .
thesystem Posted July 2, 2006 Author Posted July 2, 2006 Allright then, thank you! DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21
Alfa Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 I was reading in the Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide and there I saw that the Su-27 (no version included) Flanker could carry the following weapons: One 30mm GSH-30-2 Cannon R-27 Alamo AAM R-33 Amos AAM R-60 Aphid AAM R-73 Archer AAM bombs;rockets and external fuel tanks.... So is it legal, to carry the R-33 in Lomac? What is your oppinion? For the fanatics: Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide 2005 ISBN: 0-00-718329-1 Page: 174 What Pilotasso said - Janes got it wrong :) . The R-33 has the same relation to the "Zashlon" radar complex of the MiG-31 as the AIM-54 has to the AWG-9 of the F-14 :) . It is often the case that a particular missile is designed for use with a particular radar complex. Cheers, - JJ. JJ
Poopskadoop Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 Too bad, that's just what the Su-27/33 needs. I could see it carrying two R-33s in between the engines.
ФрогФут Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 "Zashlon" It's Zaslon, not Zashlon.;) Is that some kind of sickness? Fishben... Zashlon...:) "Я ошеломлён, но думаю об этом другими словами", - некий гражданин Ноет котик, ноет кротик, Ноет в небе самолетик, Ноют клумбы и кусты - Ноют все. Поной и ты.
Cobra360 Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 The R-33 is actually not that great as a missile, give me an R-27ER any day. The R-37 on the other hand, well......... if was compatable with the N001 radar..........
thesystem Posted July 2, 2006 Author Posted July 2, 2006 well...i thought lets post it haha, normaly jane's has the edge on militaire intel and so on....so this time they have it wrong or we don't know all the details....lets contact sukhoi?:lol: DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21
Pilotasso Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 The R-33 is actually not that great as a missile, give me an R-27ER any day. The R-37 on the other hand, well......... if was compatable with the N001 radar.......... Then again the mIg-31's AESA radar might have a mighty lock on grip. It will scare everybody at long BVR ranges. When the missiles are airborne it would take a hero to turn itno them to get some off himself. And the R-33's antenna is HUGE compared to that of the R-27. .
Alfa Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 It's Zaslon, not Zashlon.;) Is that some kind of sickness? Fishben... Zashlon...:) ....... :sly: Cheers, - JJ. JJ
D-Scythe Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 Then again the mIg-31's AESA radar might have a mighty lock on grip. It will scare everybody at long BVR ranges. When the missiles are airborne it would take a hero to turn itno them to get some off himself. And the R-33's antenna is HUGE compared to that of the R-27. Since when did the MiG-31/M come equipped with an AESA radar?
GGTharos Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 I thought it was PESA, too ... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Alfa Posted July 2, 2006 Posted July 2, 2006 I thought it was PESA, too ... Yes it is an electronically scanned passive phased array - not an AESA :) . Cheers, - JJ. JJ
D4n Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Can we get an update about this 7-year old thread? Can we finally have the Wympel R-33 "Amos" in FC3 ? ;) Would be awesome! :) DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence
EtherealN Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 No. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Iberian Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Can we get an update about this 7-year old thread? Can we finally have the Wympel R-33 "Amos" in FC3 ? ;) Would be awesome! :) The game already has it. And you can manually add it to any aircraft if you wish. And are able to use it in air to air combat. But you are still required to respect server rules. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Boberro Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 No. Short without beating around the bush :D Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
EtherealN Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Quite possibly my shortest post ever. :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
pyromaniac4002 Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Quite possibly my shortest post ever. :D K. :P
Vekkinho Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 I was reading in the Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide and there I saw that the Su-27 (no version included) Flanker could carry the following weapons: One 30mm GSH-30-2 Cannon R-27 Alamo AAM R-33 Amos AAM R-60 Aphid AAM R-73 Archer AAM bombs;rockets and external fuel tanks.... So is it legal, to carry the R-33 in Lomac? What is your oppinion? For the fanatics: Jane's Special Forces Recognition Guide 2005 ISBN: 0-00-718329-1 Page: 174 To be more specific, during Su-27 development (early '80s) integration of R-33 was initially planned but final product N001 radar was uncapable of supporting it...back in the day the only "thing" in Soviet inventory that could run R-33 was N007 - Zaslon that was (finally) introduced in 1983 but it's 110cm antenna was too big for Flanker nosecone... So the only AC equipped with R-33 is Mig-31. Necromancer... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Alfa Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 To be more specific, during Su-27 development (early '80s) integration of R-33 was initially planned but final product N001 radar was uncapable of supporting it back in the day the only "thing" in Soviet inventory that could run R-33 was N007 - Zaslon that was (finally) introduced in 1983 but it's 110cm antenna was too big for Flanker nosecone... Antenna size is down to the aircraft in which it needs to fit and a smaller version could probably have been made for the Su-27. I think it had more to do with the size/weight of the radar as such - the Zaslon is very heavy(IIRC about twice the weight of the N001), which may not be a problem for a dedicated interceptor like the MiG-31, but less feasible/practical for an air-dominance fighter like the Su-27. JJ
Alfa Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 Yea, the Russians could have done so much more back in the day with the airframes if only the money did not run out.. Development of the Su-27 took place in the late 70'ies/early 80'ies - i.e. during the height of the cold war, where funding wasn't a problem. That the Su-27 got the N001(really an upscaled version of the MiG-29's N019) and not a phased array set like the Zaslon was down to technical issues at the time rather than economic ones. JJ
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