DCS: AJS-37 Viggen Discussion

[mattebubben]

didn't understand your point.

i actually hope to see gripen more than ja-37

i didn't know ja 37 that much only this month actually lol, so as long as the gripen is swedish as well i hope to see it.

 

The Gripen is much less likely as its still very much classified.

 

Where as the JA 37 has left service so its less classified even though many of the systems (of the later variants especially) live on in the Gripen.

Edited April 23, 2016 by mattebubben

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

I'd imagine a Gripen is unlikely for the foreseeable future. If there were to be a Gripen, I'd imagine an A model would be what you'd get. The Charlie maybe. Expecting anything newer would be folly as Saab has obligations to a number of governments to keep a lot of that information confidential.

 

There's a pretty simple reason why we're getting the AJS-37: It's out of service. Not only is it out of service, there's a flying example of the type in civil hands. I'd venture to guess that this allows LNS to get their hands on very accurate flight data and performance figures of the aircraft without getting the Swedish government a little antsy about a pivotal defensive weapon being exposed for anyone with $50 to see in great detail.

 

Besides, the Viggen and the Draken are the true defenders of Swedish skies, ensuring that their viking heritage is preserved and that surströmming is forever disgusting.

[Paradox]

Surströmming is great!

 

As long as you do it right....

[Tello]

Did anyone mention surströmming ? I am pretty sure that it could be used with great success if you put that stuff inside a bomb - SURSTRÖMMING FOR EVERYONE! :thumbup:

 

and that surströmming is forever disgusting.

[Skjold]

Did anyone mention surströmming ? I am pretty sure that it could be used with great success if you put that stuff inside a bomb - SURSTRÖMMING FOR EVERYONE! :thumbup:

 

Schh! Don't give away our secret biological weapon programme, Surströmming is the cornerstore in that!

[mattebubben]

It is a little known fact that in addition to the 120kg bombs the Viggen was also capable of carrying Cluster bombs with Surströmming Submunitions.

 

It had many uses.

 

Both in destroying enemy Food Supplies and destroying enemy morale and will to live.

 

And a second role of the possibility to air drop it to Swedish troops as emergency rations.

 

It was a highly classified weapon system.

 

That was discontinued (officially atleast) in the late 90s and early 2000s as it broke against 2 major weapon conventions Sweden was a signatory of.

 

As it was both a Cluster Munition aswell as a Biological weapon.

 

But there are rumors of there still being 20-40 year old Surströmming Bombs in secret Bunkers across the nation waiting for any Enemy foolish enough to become a target.

 

As some may know sweden started working on a nuclear weapons program in the 50s and 60s

 

But it was canceled in the early 70s after thorough testing have proved that a Surströmming based weapon system was not only more devestating but was also selective in its targets.

 

And as such would leave Swedes unharmed while causing devestation and death to any enemy combatants.

 

And on a different note Surströmming was also used to identify Communist spies in Sweden as they would no longer be immune to Surströmming due to their traitorous tendencies.

Edited April 23, 2016 by mattebubben

[Duckling]

@Mattebubben. Surströmming bombs still fall under highly classified material and should not be exposed in a public forum. i advice caution in here. Never know when Must interfere. Repricautions could me monumental (myself still struggling of the effect with close encounter with an old can years back....)

 

And some more solid request..

@Letherneck: when (hopfully soon) presenting your 37 Module. Please make the Args for the module public avalible. No bigger issues if these get adjusted/edited during progress and version updates as long info is updated. Interfacing the module on either a homebrewed pit or in one of the few real pits we have here in sweden would be awesome. Same goes for defined viewports of instruments, avionics, rdr etc

 

Cheers

Gus

[emg]

LNS forums 2016: food fiction and people who think this is forum for wishlists. :lol:

[Skjold]

LNS forums 2016: food fiction and people who think this is forum for wishlists. :lol:

 

Well, there has been more then a couple of weeks since new years.. soooo

[mattebubben]

LNS forums 2016: food fiction and people who think this is forum for wishlists. :lol:

well if there is no Official news we have to make stuff up to keep the thread / Viggen Discussion going ^^-

[emg]

I know I know, no criticism (although I think people should use the wishlist forum for things like A-37 or C-160), just thought it was funny.

[joey45]

well the AJS-37 IS happening.. >>http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=157420

 

otherwise yeah... wish list.

[emg]

I was talking about the A-37 Dragonfly thread :D No offense to fans of that aircraft, of course.

Edited April 23, 2016 by emg

[Duckling]

LNS forums 2016: food fiction and people who think this is forum for wishlists. :lol:

 

Ooops, must have stepped on some toes there by posting a "wishlist" about viggen in the viggen thread.. My appologies.

[emg]

Ooops, must have stepped on some toes there by posting a "wishlist" about viggen in the viggen thread.. My appologies.

 

I was talking about the A-37 Dragonfly thread :D No offense to fans of that aircraft, of course.

 

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[impeller]

My first post here.. And as a Swedish DCS fan, stop this abuse and give us this awesom machine, pleeassee

 

 

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[dartuil]

Cant wait to see the first viggen video!

I think we should see some in may as Newsletter said viggen and f-5e before end of half the year!!! Keep the work LN!!

[kolga]

How much fuel can a AJS-37 carry? I can't seem to find it

[renhanxue]

How much fuel can a AJS-37 carry? I can't seem to find it

 

5525 liters of reabensin MC 77 (JP-4/Jet B) internally, 1250 liters in the drop tank. These figures are the usable amount of fuel, not the total volume of all fuel tanks.

 

JP-4 weighs about 6.36 lbs/gal on a "standard day" (presumably ISA), which is the same as ~0.76 kg/liter, so 4200 kg (9260 lbs) internally and 950 kg (2095 lbs) in the drop tank, very roughly speaking.

Edited April 24, 2016 by renhanxue

[kolga]

5525 liters of reabensin MC 77 (JP-4/Jet B) internally, 1250 liters in the drop tank. These figures are the usable amount of fuel, not the total volume of all fuel tanks.

 

JP-4 has a specific weight of about 6.36 lbs/gal on a "standard day" (presumably ISA), which is the same as ~0.76 kg/liter, so 4200 kg internally and 950 kg in the drop tank, very roughly speaking.

 

Thank you!

[Cobra847]

This is probably quite illustrative. :)

Quite a bit missing!

 

[renhanxue]

As far as the original AJ 37 goes, it's only missing rb 75 (Maverick) and the autocannon pods, I think. Both countermeasure pods seem to be pictured. Note the rb 04 on the centerline pylon - I don't think it can be fired from there. At least on the AJS 37 it can't. The rb 28's on the outermost pylons are shrouded in mystery too, they weren't used normally and I'm not even sure if the wiring for them was in place on all aircraft.

 

Now, for the AJS 37, you're missing the bk 90 and the rb 15. And newer Sidewinders, I guess.

[Farks]

From different angle.

 

[mattebubben]

Is it a Fact that the AJ 37 was never able to use RB-24s on the outermost pylons?

 

Or is it just that it was not capable to do so when it first entered service.

 

Is it possible that it got that ability before the AJS upgrade in the 1990s upgrade.

 

Since the SH 37 was able to carry RB 24s on its outmost pylons from the start so the needed launch rails etc were already there.

 

And the SH 37 and AJ 37 are the most similar of all of the Viggen variants so it would probably have been very easy to give the same capability to the AJ 37.

 

I mean if the US airforce during the Vietnam war was able to do field modifications to allow their F-4s to carry Aim-9s instead of Aim-4s it should not have been a major change in wiring for a Viggen either.

 

So is it possible that the abillity to use the RB24s on those pylons were added during the 80s (when the RB 28s were more or less retired) either with the work having been done at the Factory or Squadron side

(maby as a part of scheduled maintenance / overhaul work)

 

And as such it might not have been universal so when the AJS 37 came around it became a official modification and universal throughout the remaining fleet of aircraft.

 

But then again it does not really matter since we are getting the AJS 37 and not a earlier variant.

 

Would be interesting to know though.

 

Edit:

 

On a slightly unrelated note.

 

I found a Picture of a JA 37 that has me a bit mystified.

 

 

Look at that Aim-9

 

I did not know Sweden ever had Aim-9s of that type =P.

 

I thought we only had 3 different Aim-9 Types.

 

RB 24 = Aim-9B

RB 24J = Aim-9J/P

RB 74 = Aim-9L

 

But those are neither =P.

 

Looks like a Aim-9 of the US Navy D/G/H Family but i was not aware we ever had any of those =P.

Edited April 27, 2016 by mattebubben

[dartuil]

Too bad its not the variant we got matt. :)