RaXha Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 You say that, but screaming over tree tops at over mach one with bombs in tow is all the SEAD you'll never need. In fact, you may call it a Need for SEAD. 3. Viggen Pursuit. Allright, that's true. But it doesn't have dedicated anti radiation weaponry. :-)
Muppetlord Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 "Need for SEAD"...Damn. I must remember that one :D
Grundar Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Allright, that's true. But it doesn't have dedicated anti radiation weaponry. :-) You don't need anti-radiation weapons to be SEAD capable though, iirc Dan Hampton on his memoirs of F-16CJ Wild Weasel work was quite unimpressed with HARMs as a weapon for effective SEAD.
QuiGon Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Yeah, SEAD doesn't necessary mean HARM. That's what I meant in my previous post. I have the impression that's not quite clear to many DCS players. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
RaXha Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Yeah, SEAD doesn't necessary mean HARM. That's what I meant in my previous post. I have the impression that's not quite clear to many DCS players. Well yes. But in that case the question "is x -aircraft SEAD capable?" Could be answered with a yes in all cases. (Except possibly in the case of pure fighters) :P
Python Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I can't believe I missed this thread!? Very happy... 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Farlander Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I can't believe I missed this thread!? Very happy... How does one even!? :megalol:
Python Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Haven't been around so much of late, work is mad in December. What a nice surprise to come back too though... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Farlander Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Haven't been around so much of late, work is mad in December. What a nice surprise to come back too though... I see :) Can't wait to do carrier landings in the corsair, and A/G in viggen.
Manuel_108 Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Indeed, I actually like that it has mostly A/G capabilities as the Mig-21 is just very limited in that respect. And for A/A the F-14 is just awesome anyways so we've got everything covered.
mattebubben Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I see :) Can't wait to do carrier landings in the corsair, and A/G in viggen. Or we can do some A/G in the corsair and some carrier landings in the viggen ^^ that would probably be more fun. Actually ive heard multiple stories that they actually tried doing Carrier landings in the In the viggen simulators (on nimitz class carriers). And with optimum conditions (calm seas the carrier moving into the wind at cruising speed) the pilots where successful on most of the test runs. with the thrust reversers on full and the carrier traveling into the wind at about 30 knots the landing distance was quite possible. (takeoff would not have been a problem either as long as you had the entire deck available) They never did any tests on real carriers (for obvious reasons xD) but in simulators and in theory it was "possible" (though it would have been more hair raising then normal carrier landings ^^) When (if) DCS gets a large carrier that you can actually land on without instantly exploding i know that i for one will definatly try it xD.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 When (if) DCS gets a large carrier that you can actually land on without instantly exploding i know that i for one will definatly try it xD. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. We will create the Naval Viggen. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
Hook47 Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Or we can do some A/G in the corsair and some carrier landings in the viggen ^^ that would probably be more fun. Actually ive heard multiple stories that they actually tried doing Carrier landings in the In the viggen simulators (on nimitz class carriers). And with optimum conditions (calm seas the carrier moving into the wind at cruising speed) the pilots where successful on most of the test runs. with the thrust reversers on full and the carrier traveling into the wind at about 30 knots the landing distance was quite possible. (takeoff would not have been a problem either as long as you had the entire deck available) They never did any tests on real carriers (for obvious reasons xD) but in simulators and in theory it was "possible" (though it would have been more hair raising then normal carrier landings ^^) When (if) DCS gets a large carrier that you can actually land on without instantly exploding i know that i for one will definatly try it xD. I think getting a carrier is a sure thing. Even the modded carrier we have now is pretty good, but either ED or LNS will surely push out a carrier
BravoYankee4 Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) The DCS gfx-engine needs to be updated so we can do this! As you can see, reverse thruster is a good thing to have in the northern part of this world :) Edited January 8, 2016 by BravoYankee4 Added comment
ESAc_matador Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 You don't need anti-radiation weapons to be SEAD capable though, iirc Dan Hampton on his memoirs of F-16CJ Wild Weasel work was quite unimpressed with HARMs as a weapon for effective SEAD. Actually, the HARM weapon is more like a threat so the enemy SAM shut down while he or others attack with mavs or bombs. Tjis is what i read in few F16 wild weasels books.
RaXha Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 The DCS gfx-engine needs to be updated so we can do this! As you can see, reverse thruster is a good thing to have in the northern part of this world :) We need DCS EDGE 2.5 with realistic slow blowing physics! :pilotfly:
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 Actually, the HARM weapon is more like a threat so the enemy SAM shut down while he or others attack with mavs or bombs. Tjis is what i read in few F16 wild weasels books. The first anti-radiation missiles lost tracking outright when a radar was shut off. The next generation maintained their heading. At the very least, it's a good way to keep a mobile radar mobile. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
BravoYankee4 Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 I scanned the English summary from the book (sorry for the quality, but I'm in a hurry). I also put together some of the design concepts from the develoment of the 37 platform. As you can see, a lot of influenses from other aircrafts, but with the particular demands and prereqs it evolved to what we know as Viggen.
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BravoYankee4 Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 a look from 7:14 Nice find Castor. Didn't know that we had that kind of exchange with the Polish airforce at that time. I need to get som help from my colleagues in Wroclaw to translate that part.
El Hadji Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Only exchange I know of with Viggens involved in Poland was when SWAFRAP AJS 37's took part in the exercise "Strong Resolve" in Powidz, which was a Partnership for Peace exercise. Could the film be from that? Only seen grey AJSF's from this occasion though. [ame]http://www.fht.nu/bilder/Flygvapnet/Flygvapennytt/fv_nytt_1_2002_pff_ovningen_strong_resolve.pdf[/ame] Edited January 9, 2016 by El Hadji [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
BravoYankee4 Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 Yes, you are right. The Swafrap planes where painted grey and they where AJSF version from F21. In the film it is planes from F7. Really interesting and it needs some additional investigation.
CoBlue Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) Nice find Castor. Didn't know that we had that kind of exchange with the Polish airforce at that time. I need to get som help from my colleagues in Wroclaw to translate that part. Only exchange I know of with Viggens involved in Poland was when SWAFRAP AJS 37's took part in the exercise "Strong Resolve" in Powidz, which was a Partnership for Peace exercise. Could the film be from that? Only seen grey AJSF's from this occasion though. The whole movie is about the dismantle of the 6:th Fighter-Bomber Regiment, in 1998 from Pila airbase. It starts of with some brief history of the airbase & mentions it's international cooperation with other air-forces. From 7:00-7:35 (Viggen sequence) the speaker says: "A 2km long & 16m wide public highway, surrounded by woods, served as an assessment of pilots skills. The last exercise element, featuring Swedish & Polish pilots, was the take-off from the highway & landing at the home airbase." El Hadji's Flygvapennytt's article is from 2002, but the movie is from 98, also the airbases are different, there must have been exchanges before the introduction of SWAFRAP. Edited January 10, 2016 by CoBlue i7 8700k@4.7, 1080ti, DDR4 32GB, 2x SSD , HD 2TB, W10, ASUS 27", TrackIr5, TMWH, X-56, GProR.
BravoYankee4 Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) Some statistics. There where 9 prototypes and 329 service aircrafts built (originally approximately 800 was proposed) and it was a dangerous job being a Viggen pilot. Three of the prototypes crashed, and 48 of the ordinary where totalled and one burned up at the runway. In total 20 pilots died and 32 survived with parachutes. Two pilots walked away from a burning aircraft. In total less than 15% of the Viggens where lost, which is to be considered as pretty good figures. Especially considering the type of flying back then. And that the model was in service for almost 30 years. During the life time the accidents where reduced. Both because of material and quality enhancements but also due to pilot training. The JA 37 GWPS system probably saved a couple of lives... Ten aircrafts where lost in mid air collisions and eighteen ground collisions. There was sixteen engine failures (everything from surge, stall and metal fatigue) and ten other airframe failures (wings broken off etc). There is only one crash caused by a bird strike, and that plane managed to belly land and was later put back to service. I added a column in the document for service hours. As you can see many of the engine failures happend pretty soon. In general an aircraft stayed in service for 1600-2000 hours.Crashes.xls.pdf Edited January 10, 2016 by BravoYankee4 Added information
BravoYankee4 Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 The whole movie is about the dismantle of the 6:th Fighter-Bomber Regiment, in 1998 from Pila airbase. It starts of with some brief history of the airbase & mentions it's international cooperation with other air-forces. From 7:00-7:35 (Viggen sequence) the speaker seas: "A 2km long & 16m wide public highway, surrounded by woods, served as an assessment of pilots skills. The last exercise element, featuring Swedish & Polish pilots, was the take-off from the highway & landing at the home airbase." El Hadji's Flygvapennytt's article is from 2002, but the movie is from 98, also the airbases are different, there must have been exchanges before the introduction of SWAFRAP. Thanks. I know some people working at F7, perhaps they can share some details about this.
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