F-15E?

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Development is not on hold, small things are being done, but large work to move it forward has been delayed while current modules are put into their final stages.

 

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[Bedouin]

Development is not on hold, small things are being done, but large work to move it forward has been delayed while current modules are put into their final stages.

 

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Okay nice to hear, will you then inform us when the large work on the module starts up again :), so we know how the progress is flowing.

[stormrider]

Development is not on hold, small things are being done, but large work to move it forward has been delayed while current modules are put into their final stages.

 

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Yeah, again on hold, well, small things won't get it out the door. it's only 10 years delayed now. It's ok. Razbam being razbam.

 

[Viper1970]

The question is which modules are the current that stopped the work on the F-15E. Is it only the AV-8B, or are the current modules the Mig-23 and the Lighting, too?

 

For the Harrier I think its ok to finish it first, cause its already done, but the Mig-23 and for sure the Lightning were anounced many years after the Mudhen!

 

So why prefer them over the Eagle, even so many guys waiting for years now for this one module. :mad:

 

If the current modules mean the Mig-23 and the Lightning too, we will never see the Strike Eagle for the next 4-5 years minimum.

[Eagle7907]

Said the same thing last April. Can’t really post the quote right now, but I said at the pace of things the E will be EA release in about 5-7 years. A certain inside RAZBAM person asked me how I came up with that. I then said, look at where it is now and how much more needs to be done. This module has been curbed so many times. Not completely at the fault of RAZBAM but just the bad luck of other changes and that happened like world 2.0 released, one developer picking up where another left off, etc.

 

 

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[Dragon1-1]

I suspect that what's holding up the Mudhen is systems development. Harrier doesn't require modelers by this point, and those are the ones working on the MiG-23 and the Lightning, while the avionics people are busy fixing the Harrier.

 

Systems coding will be the rate-limiting step here, I'm afraid. While the Lightning is a very simple fighter (albeit with a few not so simple solutions), the MiG-23 is a complex machine, and of course the F-15E is even worse. I strongly suspect the Mudhen will be a priority once the Harrier is squared away, but that would put the MiG-23 in a very distant future indeed.

[Oban]

I'd rather see  a pointless 1960's aircraft like the EE Lightning shelved, and the work redirected to the F15E, as it's pretty obvious the F15E is a much more sought after module over the Lightning, which really didn't do anything other than fly fast..

[Viper1970]

Yes, the F-15E is the only missing bird of the collection we still have. F-14A/B, F-15C/E, F-16C, F/A-18C

 

Could really not understand why they set the work on it on hold for something like the Lightning!?

 

As things look at the moment, we will even get the Apache before we will see an EA F-15E! Who had ever thought of this?

Edited December 24, 2020 by Viper1970

[Blaze1]

In other F-15 news:

 

I was was pretty ecstatic when I learnt the USAF were getting some new updated Eagles.

 

 

Edited January 7, 2021 by Blaze1

[Viper1970]

Another flying tablet. I don't like those new "glass only" cockpits. But that's the future

Edited January 10, 2021 by Viper1970

[Viper1970]

Any news about the F-15E? Is it probable to see it in EA this year, or do we have to wait another 5 years or so? Even the Apache will come this year in EA, and the Strike Eagle is now announced since 2014!!!

 

If there is no interest in making it, just leave it, so someone else can do it! But it's announced since years, and everytime another new module (Mig 19, Mig 23 and now the Lightning) was started and the work on the Eagle was on hold again, instead of finishing this one.

Edited January 15, 2021 by Viper1970

[Viper1970]

So now we have all the legendary US-stuff from the cold war times until the mid 2000s (F-14B, F-16C, F/A-18C, A-10C, AV-8B, AH-64D, OH-58D). Only things still missing is an AH-1F Tow Cobra and the F-15E Strike Eagle. I hope we will see the Strike Eagle within the next two years, but I have great doubts about this.

Even the AH-1 is more probable to become reality, before we would see an EA F-15E.

Edited February 10, 2021 by Viper1970

[QuiGon]

32 minutes ago, Viper1970 said:

So now we have all the legendary US-stuff from the cold war times until the mid 2000s (F-14B, F-16C, F/A-18C, A-10C, AV-8B, AH-64D, OH-58D). Only things still missing is an AH-1F Tow Cobra and the F-15E Strike Eagle. I hope we will see the Strike Eagle within the next two years, but I have great doubts about this.

Even the AH-1 is more probable to become reality, before we would see an EA F-15E.

 

Uhm, the AH-64 and OH-58 are still missing too. The F-15E has already been in active development way before these two modules.

Besides that there are some other legendary US aircraft from that timeframe missing on your list (e.g. F-111, A-7, A-6, UH-60).

Edited February 10, 2021 by QuiGon

[Silver_Dragon]

3 minutes ago, QuiGon said:

 

Uhm, the AH-64 and OH-58 are still missing too. The F-15E has already been in active development way before these two modules.

Besides that there are some other legendary US aircraft from that timeframe missing on your list (e.g. F-111, A-7, A-6, UH-60).

 

OH-58D will coming that year by Polychop, AH-64 has talk on official new by ED will coming on en EA on Q3 2021. F-15E by now has not show into DCS by RAZBAM with a funtional cockpit and system, 2022 I think.

[QuiGon]

25 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

OH-58D will coming that year by Polychop, AH-64 has talk on official new by ED will coming on en EA on Q3 2021. F-15E by now has not show into DCS by RAZBAM with a funtional cockpit and system, 2022 I think.

 

We all know that all this is subject to change

Fact is, all three have not arrived so far.

Edited February 10, 2021 by QuiGon

[WinterH]

42 minutes ago, Viper1970 said:

So now we have all the legendary US-stuff from the cold war times until the mid 2000s (F-14B, F-16C, F/A-18C, A-10C, AV-8B, AH-64D, OH-58D). Only things still missing is an AH-1F Tow Cobra and the F-15E Strike Eagle. I hope we will see the Strike Eagle within the next two years, but I have great doubts about this.

Even the AH-1 is more probable to become reality, before we would see an EA F-15E.

 

Well unfortunately, your list is very much post cold war, oldest I think being F-14B we have, and even that is about mid 90s. Originally Razbam was considering a late 80s-early 90s F-15E, but apparently now it is going to be another 2000s version, so be ready to enjoy  a bazillion MFD pages or two I guess.

 

So if you want a Cold War American air power, the only thing that is missing is... well... everything  

Ok, to be fair, the naval side is getting populated with F-8J, A-7E, and A-6E in future, and we are getting 80s F-14A too (the current A is too similar to B I think, it even still has TGP, so probably a late bird?). We also have UH-1H. And we have the lovely free A-4E which recently even got an EFM, so it finally feels proper in all the ways! But the aircraft you listed are all very much post cold war, earliest being mid 90s.

 

As for the Cobra... I am torn between a mid or late 80s, or up to early 90s AH-1W and AH-1F from the same period. I would really hope that it will NOT be a 2000s or 2010s W, or Z. We will have Apache to sctach that itch, which is cool. AH-1W or AH-1F would be a very nice blue counterpart for upcoming Mi-24P, and a very different experience compared to 2000s AH-64D we are getting. W is twin engine, and a Marine attack helo that would look rather nice on Tarawa (even if it may not be period correct). It would have Hellfires too. F on the hand, is also quite iconic with its angular canopy, assuming same team develops as the Huey, it will have more in common perhaps. Lack of Hellfires would make it an interesting counter part to Hind: Cobra F would have sloooow and relatively short ranged TOWs, but much better sighting system and a swivel mount 20mm gun which follows helmet sight. Depending on the year, AH-1F can also have night capability. Really torn between W and F. I really want to say that I want both, but from developer's point of view, they are too similar in what they offer to consumer, but too different to easily do both.

 

Regarding F-15E, I wonder if it will have AGM-130, or will it be too late a version for that. Would be a new and interesting weapon in DCS. Fairly long ranged missile with man in the loop capability, but not to the extent of a lot more advanced such weapons we have in Hornet, Viper, and Jeff so it would still be somewhat more challenging to use.

[Viper1970]

Yes, for the cold war you are right. I mean the late 80's to the mid 2000's.  There is a lot, that is still missing, but also a lot that is rumored to come in future, like the A-6 the A-7 and we will also get the F-8. Sadly no F-4 Phantom here.

 

For the Cobra I really wish it will be an AH-1F and a Central Europe theater would also be nice . I prefer the F-version over the W Twin Cobra. I know only single engine and much less systems, but it was the only real attack helicopter for a long time here in Europe during the Cold War times. And I think it looks a lot cooler with the flat cabin . The W-model haven't played any role here in Europe during this times, this was MARINES stuff. Best we get both versions, the F and the W . Same goes for the Phantom, a B and a E model would be nice.

Edited February 10, 2021 by Viper1970

[Blaze1]

F-15EX

 

Edited March 1, 2021 by Blaze1
Added model name.

[TLTeo]

Interesting. How common is it for Mudhens to fly with C/A paintjobs?

[Blaze1]

12 hours ago, TLTeo said:

Interesting. How common is it for Mudhens to fly with C/A paintjobs?

Very uncommon, the reason being is that the aircraft shown is the new F-15EX which will be taking over the C/D role, so the aircraft shown (initially at least) isn't a Mudhen.

 

I'll edit the image to included the model.

[Erich Alfred Hartmann]

En 10/1/2021 a las 17:28, Viper1970 dijo:

Another flying tablet. I don't like those new "glass only" cockpits. But that's the future

 

+1000,In the photo that they have put of the cockpit of the new F15, I do not identify the cockpit of an F15, I do not know if you understand me ..., it is like the advanced super hornet (the blockIII) they look like a tablet with wings, but luckily or unfortunately technology advances and that is the future

[Blaze1]

 

 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Blaze1

[Blaze1]

"STARSCREAM".  You've got to love it.

 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Blaze1

[Blaze1]

The EPAWSS upgrade will see the adoption of the F-15SA/QA/EX etc style tail boom fairings:

Edited March 22, 2021 by Blaze1

[Rick50]

Eagle. 

On 11/26/2020 at 5:01 PM, Dragon1-1 said:

I suspect that what's holding up the Mudhen is systems development. Harrier doesn't require modelers by this point, and those are the ones working on the MiG-23 and the Lightning, while the avionics people are busy fixing the Harrier.

 

Systems coding will be the rate-limiting step here, I'm afraid. While the Lightning is a very simple fighter (albeit with a few not so simple solutions), the MiG-23 is a complex machine, and of course the F-15E is even worse. I strongly suspect the Mudhen will be a priority once the Harrier is squared away, but that would put the MiG-23 in a very distant future indeed.

 

 

THIS ^^^

 

There's lots of 3d artists who can make a pretty 3d model of an airframe. There's FAR FAR fewer people who can create coding for flight dynamics, then tweek it until it flies like an aircraft, and finally tune it to match a real Beagle circa mid-2000's. There's FAR fewer people who understand and then program, without bugs, a radar system to interact with an AMRAAM. There's FAR fewer people who can write code to replicate dozens of MFD modes, after finding some aircraft manuals and understand them.

 

Yes, on occasion I'll see a rendering that impresses me. But an airframe rendering does not make a full DCS full fidellity module. At least for the modern complex airframes anyways. If a developer has 5 products being developed at the same time, chances are that none of them are getting enough attention to eventually crawl over the finish line. Some developers struggle hard with releasing a single product, with only that one project occupying their time, more than a year after the original estimated release date.  Even ED, with all it's insider knowledge and high level of resources, struggles with a few aircraft in development. 

 

Look at ED's Hornet and Viper: even now, they aren't finished the development, Hornet's been near 3 years or something. The viper's been more recent, but it too went a long time before the HARM got implemented there... yea, a Viper that couldn't fly with HARMs ?!?! The HORROR!!  

 

The Beagle is every bit as complex, in terms of systems and MFD pages, modes, wpn systems modeling, as any Hornet or Viper. If Razbam has just as much resources, sources and technical manpower as ED, it's likely gonna take years before it's able to end "Early Access" and be considered a complete finished product.  Maybe Razbam has a different strategy... work very hard on it without telling public, do tons of internal testing, in secret, so as to not get hopes up too early. Then suddenly build excitement right before release. It's possible I guess. But I think it's more likely that we have a long wait ahead for an E. I mean, they haven't shown any cockpit video tutorials, showing how to implement the radar ground mapping modes have they? Or slaving an MTI radar selection to targeting pod to use LGB's on moving vehicles? Or datalink for air to air engagements?  Yea, 3d models tell me nothing about when a DCS module will arrive in the store, it's all about systems development and the bug fix phase, IMO. I wish the company well in its endevours, but I think we're more likely to see a release of the Falklands map, an early Harrier and Pucara long LONG before any Strike Eagle. 

Edited March 22, 2021 by Rick50