dartuil Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 All of my air kills where within 5-10km using R-3R, For me the mig 21 is only a close radar fighter +1 our mig21 isnt BVR capable. i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals
il_corleone Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 CCRP in Mirage! 9:59" from jojo http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2602928&postcount=199
il_corleone Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 You aren't seriously comparing a jet developed in the early 50's with a 4 gen fighter, don't you? It's like trying to win a race in a bettle against a ferrari testarosa. Of course Mig-21 has barely a chance against these jets. However it can BVR. Wasnt the first BVR fight in Gulf war? (Confirmed kill) I dont even call BVR before that I dont think the 21 was made for BVR, it just a Fast interceptor using his radar to extent his IR range (IMHO) :)
JNelson Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 You aren't seriously comparing a jet developed in the early 50's with a 4 gen fighter, don't you? It's like trying to win a race in a bettle against a ferrari testarosa. Of course Mig-21 has barely a chance against these jets. However it can BVR. I wasn't comparing anything. Community A-4E-C
JNelson Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 All of my air kills where within 5-10km using R-3R, For me the mig 21 is only a close radar fighter I normally fire a 3km with R3R but at that point I am behind them. Community A-4E-C
il_corleone Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 Upps sorry https://i.gyazo.com/0d7b54887c15dc05fbf30b4dd3e10bb4.png Nice read for BVR enthusiast from this documment [ame]http://pogoarchives.org/labyrinth/11/09.pdf[/ame] Sorry for Offtopic
KEULE Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 Wasnt the first BVR fight in Gulf war? (Confirmed kill) I dont even call BVR before that I dont think the 21 was made for BVR, it just a Fast interceptor using his radar to extent his IR range (IMHO) :) BVR is not more than Beyond Visual Range. And it is able to fight in that range. Maybe the first comfirmed BVR kill might from the Gulf War (I don't know) because there were no war with use of BVR Air-to-Air missiles until than? I often read people writing that they are surprised that Mig-21 lacks a good radar and getting shot down. But the underlying assumption in that has errors: 1. Russian air fighting doctrine back than was to rely on ground guidance. Especially for intercepters who aren't supposed to dive deep into enemy territory. Russian interceptors back then were made to stay at the very front line of war and to intercept especially incoming bombers. According to that there were no need for a better radar in these jets which would have been bigger, heavier and more expensive. You have to keep in mind that a mig-21 costs roughly half of a F-4. 2. Even though Mig-21 is delta wing jet which are basically very maneuverable Mig-21 isn't that espcially maneuverable. It's, according to it's role to intercept primarily bombers, made to fly high and fast. And for this task delta wing is best practice. Mig-21 is not a dog fighter. 3. Even though you are behind an enemy in a shooting position. Rockets of Mig-21 are by far less reliable compared to F-15 or Su-27. 4. Don't fight in a Mig-21 against a F-15 and Su-27. You'll win only 1 in 100 times. Better try F86 or F-4. If I would like to fly SFM I could get it for free at World of Warplanes. You only need 2 of the following 3: Altitude - Speed - Skill
il_corleone Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) BVR is not more than Beyond Visual Range. And it is able to fight in that range. Maybe the first comfirmed BVR kill might from the Gulf War (I don't know) because there were no war with use of BVR Air-to-Air missiles until than? I often read people writing that they are surprised that Mig-21 lacks a good radar and getting shot down. But the underlying assumption in that has errors: 1. Russian air fighting doctrine back than was to rely on ground guidance. Especially for intercepters who aren't supposed to dive deep into enemy territory. Russian interceptors back then were made to stay at the very front line of war and to intercept especially incoming bombers. According to that there were no need for a better radar in these jets which would have been bigger, heavier and more expensive. You have to keep in mind that a mig-21 costs roughly half of a F-4. 2. Even though Mig-21 is delta wing jet which are basically very maneuverable Mig-21 isn't that espcially maneuverable. It's, according to it's role to intercept primarily bombers, made to fly high and fast. And for this task delta wing is best practice. Mig-21 is not a dog fighter. 3. Even though you are behind an enemy in a shooting position. Rockets of Mig-21 are by far less reliable compared to F-15 or Su-27. 4. Don't fight in a Mig-21 against a F-15 and Su-27. You'll win only 1 in 100 times. Better try F86 or F-4. Well, I was talking about my experience on the module man, I own it from the first day, and I know that GCI is very important, but I was talking about DCS. In DCS you use the 21 as an ambusher, if you use BVR, you are dead, if you dogfight you are dead (Unless you are Hadwell). The Mig used his radar after being guided to the enemy planes, and his radar is made to only attack not for "scan" , is just an "scope" like in a rifle, an the missiles are not for BVR, according to some sources, BVR is for more than 37km, the radar of the Mig only gets good locks at 25 max. So the R3R are just another kind of missile that is guided for radar instead of IR R3S, but his role is not BVR, is just a normal or "extended" Ir missile, if I can remeber correctly, it comes from reverse engineering from an Aim-9 We should keep this away from this post mate, this is really offtopic :smilewink: Edited December 17, 2015 by il_corleone
KEULE Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 Well, I was talking about my experience on the module man, I own it from the first day, and I know that GCI is very important, but I was talking about DCS. In DCS you use the 21 as an ambusher, if you use BVR, you are dead, if you dogfight you are dead (Unless you are Hadwell). The Mig used his radar after being guided to the enemy planes, and his radar is made to only attack not for "scan" , is just an "scope" like in a rifle, an the missiles are not for BVR, according to some sources, BVR is for more than 37km, the radar of the Mig only gets good locks at 25 max. So the R3R are just another kind of missile that is guided for radar instead of IR R3S, but his role is not BVR, is just a normal or "extended" Ir missile, if I can remeber correctly, it comes from reverse engineering from an Aim-9 We should keep this away from this post mate, this is really offtopic :smilewink: You're right. If I would like to fly SFM I could get it for free at World of Warplanes. You only need 2 of the following 3: Altitude - Speed - Skill
il_corleone Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 You're right. No problem man! I love to talk about an aircraft, you can learn new things everyday! I dindt knew about the half a price of F4! Now, lets hope our Muragesock deals with Flanker and Fulcrums :)
Flamin_Squirrel Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 You're right. Don't say things like that, it might break the internet :music_whistling: 1
snowsniper Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 Will be fun to see if we can get the JTAC to laser-sparkle a target and then release the GBU's in CCRP mode. FinnJ I would love, someone doing a tutorial "how to" and a miz file with a Drone Reaper laser and a A10C with GBU. to be ready for real 2000C ground operation missions. IRL : " To carry out the tasks entrusted to them , the Mirage 2000C fighter pilots can carry two bombs air-ground GBU- 12 laser guided or Mk 82 unguided in prone points , and they also have the ability to shot gun which unfortunately is not , for now , available on the fleet of Mirage 2000D as this are two-seaters devices." " These patrols are complementary since the 2000D can illuminate a ground target with its laser designation pod , the 2000C can't" http://www.defens-aero.com/2015/10/mirage-2000c-effectue-sa-premiere-passe-canon-dans-bande-sahelo-saharienne.html i7-10700KF CPU 3.80GHz - 32 GO Ram - - nVidia RTX 2070 - SSD Samsung EVO with LG TV screen 40" in 3840x2150 - cockpit scale 1:1 - MS FFB2 Joystick - COUGAR F16 throttle - Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals
OxideMako Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 They just changed the cover pic on the module page. https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/m2000c/ Now says RAZBAM in bottom left...
il_corleone Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 They just changed the cover pic on the module page. https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/m2000c/ Now says RAZBAM in bottom left... Progress is being made ;)
USAFMTL Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 50 pages of "when is it coming out?".......I am still amused...... [sigpic][/sigpic] US Air Force Retired, 1C371 No rank or title will ever be as important as the unit patch you wear.
OxideMako Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 50 pages of "when is it coming out?".......I am still amused...... Surely not as amused as Zeus is watching us suffer! :D
JNelson Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 It better come out tomorrow or I'll... I'll... wait for it to come out. Seriously though they did say time was running out. Obviously not that fast because it isn't out yet and it has been nearly 24 hours since he said that. Community A-4E-C
boedha68 Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 Release by weekend update.:D Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
boedha68 Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 Hahahaha. ..community forces developer for release.....:D Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
USAFMTL Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 OMG are we really 50 pages? Yes 50 pages. Sad sad sad, now the conspiracy theories are starting to come out too. I have been going to work and coming just to check this thread and it grows by almost 10 pages a day. Fellas, go fly something else, and relax.... [ame] [/ame] [sigpic][/sigpic] US Air Force Retired, 1C371 No rank or title will ever be as important as the unit patch you wear.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 Yes 50 pages. Sad sad sad, now the conspiracy theories are starting to come out too. I have been going to work and coming just to check this thread and it grows by almost 10 pages a day. Fellas, go fly something else, and relax.... RAZBAM confirmed for Reptilians. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
il_corleone Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 ITS HAPPENING! We reached page 51. No, we didn`t :(
il_corleone Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 This joke was funny, the first time. I`m sorry :), I should no go eat a Sock, dont I?
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