AV-8B Harrier Thread

[mattebubben]

I am interested, but the APWKS does not exist in DCS so that means we will have to create one for it. In order to do that we would need to know how it works: Guidance method, rocket burnout time, warhead explosive power, etc.

 

From what I've seen it is a laser guided Hydra rocket and it seems to fit inside a LAU-68 or LAU-61.

 

From what i understand it uses the standard Hydra Rocket motor and warheads.

 

So Guidance method should be the only question mark of those 3.

[comie1]

From what i understand it uses the standard Hydra Rocket motor and warheads.

 

So Guidance method should be the only question mark of those 3.

 

But I thought the guidance section was added to the gerneral rocket making it heavier and thus change its flight stats?

[Tirak]

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[mattebubben]

But I thought the guidance section was added to the gerneral rocket making it heavier and thus change its flight stats?

 

My guess is the additional lift from the fins in the control section will likely make up for the added weight.

 

But that was not what he asked about

(and what my comment was targeted at)

 

he asked about the warhead rocket motor burn time and guidance method.

 

And since the guidance section is simply mated with the standard rocket motor and the standard warhead they could simply use the Existing ED data on the Hydra rockets for those stats.

[comie1]

My guess is the additional lift from the fins in the control section will likely make up for the added weight.

 

But that was not what he asked about

(and what my comment was targeted at)

 

he asked about the warhead rocket motor burn time and guidance method.

 

And since the guidance section is simply mated with the standard rocket motor and the standard warhead they could simply use the Existing ED data on the Hydra rockets for those stats.

 

Sorry didn't see Zeus67 asking you a question there...:music_whistling:

Might be a cool wee addition to the loadout eventually

[microvax]

The weight of the guidance unit can be estimated if need be, standard aerodynamics and balistics can be applied also pretty easily.

 

For the guidance it is just a standard intercept for a laserdot, probably not bang bang like the paveways, but in the end nothing different then the AGM65E, probably a little more efficient.

 

 

Would be extremely cool to have this ! :D

[sirscorpion]

I am interested, but the APWKS does not exist in DCS so that means we will have to create one for it. In order to do that we would need to know how it works: Guidance method, rocket burnout time, warhead explosive power, etc.

 

From what I've seen it is a laser guided Hydra rocket and it seems to fit inside a LAU-68 or LAU-61.

 

Thank you for taking interest indeed it will be a system that many US aircraft can use. and yes it can fit in any hydra pod, only thing is that the missile "head" pokes out ahead of the pod "blue rocket"

 

 

 

This clip Explains it pretty well. "others have posted it as well"

 

 

 

From a game programming point of view, its a semi active laser missile, closest will be the S25L on the SU25T in game. Only difference will be the missile.

 

Warhead and burn time as @mattebubben said is pretty much the same as a hydra "m151 warhead is used as standard but it can use any hydra warhead. as the guidance system is a kit that plugs behind the warhead.

 

Range is "min/max": 1,100–5,000 m (0.68–3.11 mi) (rotary wing); 2–11 km (1.2–6.8 mi) (fixed wing). and it can fit in any hydra pod in service.

 

OEM source PDF:

http://www.baesystems.com/en/product/apkws-laser-guided-rocket

 

There is also a Zuni rocket version which also operates the same way.

Edited March 7, 2017 by sirscorpion

[iLOVEwindmills]

Would be very nice to have.

 

At 1:00, isn't that the Harrier's HUD?

 

[Vitormouraa]

APWKS would be amazing.

[Einherjer]

This would absolutely increase the value of the harrier! It cant carry much weapons, and DCS has no fragmentation effect, so this small precision ammunition is more then welcome

[Stratos]

At first I tought I will pass on the Harrier, but the more I see the more convinced I am to get it as soon as relased as a beta. My congratulations to RAZBAM for this bird, is really looking good!

[CapableJet7]

The Force of penetration of APWKS is?

[sirscorpion]

The Force of penetration of APWKS is?

 

The M151 warhead which most used is 10lb warhead, depending on fuse if its point detonate fuse or not it can pen light skin. You also have the M229 with 17lb warhead.

 

But since the APKWS can accept any Hydra warhead it can also use the M247 High-Explosive, Dual-Purpose warhead. which has a HEAT round from a M72LAW "so 250-300mm" penetration. which not bad, not a MBT killer for sure prolly the zuni version packs a better punch. It is not intended to replace ATGM.

 

You also have all of the other hydra warheads, so WP, flechettes, practice rounds etc.

Edited March 8, 2017 by sirscorpion

[CapableJet7]

The M151 warhead which most used is 10lb warhead, depending on fuse if its point detonate or not it can pen light skin. You also have the M229 with 17lb warhead.

 

But since the APWKS can accept any Hydra warhead it can also use the M247 High-Explosive, Dual-Purpose warhead. which has a HEAT round from a M72LAW "so 250-300mm" penetration.

Thanks :)

[Askerov24]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=36331&highlight=APKWS

 

I hope this thread will be helpful.

[Zeus67]

About the APKWS, one of our team members says that no laser guided FFR has been fielded to date on an AV-8B, only in USMC F/A-18Ds.

[Norsegunar]

About the APKWS, one of our team members says that no laser guided FFR has been fielded to date on an AV-8B, only in USMC F/A-18Ds.

 

BAE's APKWS rockets go to war on AV-8B Harrier

 

APKWS II deployed on USMC Harriers

 

Navy deploys new APKWS design for fixed-wing aircraft

 

Looks like they started fielding them after March 30th 2016

[ESAc_matador]

This would absolutely increase the value of the harrier! It cant carry much weapons, and DCS has no fragmentation effect, so this small precision ammunition is more then welcome

 

Compared to what?

[VTJS17_Fire]

I want this APWKS in my N/A!

Battlefield 4 has it on its AH-1Z. Maybe you get the real (and only true) numbers from DICE. :megalol:

[Einherjer]

Compared to what?

 

 

 

Compared to the A-10 , it's quite less. And with unguided hydras and bombs we reach the limitations of DCS (no fragmentation) but that would be the main weapons for soft skinned vehicles.

[microvax]

About the APKWS, one of our team members says that no laser guided FFR has been fielded to date on an AV-8B, only in USMC F/A-18Ds.

 

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/02/01/us-forces-bank-new-weapon-protect-civilians-next-mosul-battle.html?ESRC=todayinmil.sm

 

This article also states it beeing used on AV8 and A10

[sirscorpion]

About the APKWS, one of our team members says that no laser guided FFR has been fielded to date on an AV-8B, only in USMC F/A-18Ds.

 

Lots of source including USMC claims other wise "some posted here", the one that was not deployed was the Zuni rocket version as far as i know.

 

Still its a weapon system compatible with many aircraft "including ones in DCS and soon to be in" I hope you guys consider it seriously as it fits plenty of aircraft, a relatively simple system which from a programming point of view is kinda there with the In game S-25L rocket in game which is on the SU25T, and has a huge practical use in M.player games even.

[ESAc_matador]

Compared to the A-10 , it's quite less. And with unguided hydras and bombs we reach the limitations of DCS (no fragmentation) but that would be the main weapons for soft skinned vehicles.

 

only Su25 can be compared to A10!!!

[sirscorpion]

 

The M282 warhead for anti-armor or penetration of complex targets.

[Zeus67]

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