World War One Planes

[ineth]

Hello friends

 

I see we get graced with allot of new modules to fly with, and while i see there is allot of fun in flying the more challenging planes of older times i think i had an idea i would love to share with you.

 

World War One planes.

They should be allot easier to model and they had only the very crudest of mechanics available, plus they would be very straightforward to fly and fight with and off course the historical value would be extraproportional. Also since they had very limited range a dedicated map for them would be pretty easy to create too.

 

It is not only the planes though. We would be able to fly through zeppelins, do straffings on trains and do primitive bombing and allot more.

 

 

On a second thought i would love to see old fashioned air races with Gee Bee's too.

 

 

What do you think?

[QuiGon]

I am interested in WW1 aviation, but I have Rise of Flight to enjoy that. I kinda doubt that the DCS engine can provide a great flying experience for the lightweight WW1 planes that are heavily affected by wind which is nicely done in RoF. I don't see that in DCS so far.

[Coxy_99]

As much as world war one would be nice i dont think it will happen in dcs a mod would be nice tho.

[firmek]

I think it would be interesting only provided that it's a package - airplanes, ground units and map from the era. Having an opportunity to fly Sopwith Camel over modern Georgia would just not give a consistent experience, which is however a situation with some other planes today.

Frankly speaking I would rather wish to see the currently existing modules consolidated before opening other development stream. WW2 theater is already planned but it would be great to see an dedicated theater for 50-70’s planes like Mig-21, Sabre, etc.

[NineLine]

I am interested in WW1 aviation, but I have Rise of Flight to enjoy that. I kinda doubt that the DCS engine can provide a great flying experience for the lightweight WW1 planes that are heavily affected by wind which is nicely done in RoF. I don't see that in DCS so far.

 

Umm... well... As I think ED's PFM is probably the most advanced Flight Model available, I would counter and say I would love to see a fully modelled WWI fighter, including ASM... I think it would be incredible.

[Yo-Yo]

I am interested in WW1 aviation, but I have Rise of Flight to enjoy that. I kinda doubt that the DCS engine can provide a great flying experience for the lightweight WW1 planes that are heavily affected by wind which is nicely done in RoF. I don't see that in DCS so far.

 

If we modelled 6 + 2 wings for Ka-50 why couldn't we support 4?? :D

[King_Hrothgar]

As a WW1 fan, I can say with certainty that I would not buy any DCS WW1 modules until the core game engine supports high fidelity AI flight models and high fidelity damage modeling for both player and AI aircraft. If those issues are sorted, I might be up for some DCS WW1 action but not before.

[Buzzles]

I'd quite like some WWI birds, they're really interesting to fly but two things spring to mind:

 

1) Damage modelling needs improving quite a bit for them to be viable.

I know this is on the cards at some point in the future, but I suspect it's quite a way away, even if small strides are being made.

 

2) Information.

DCS aircraft require a ton of solid flight information. Getting it for the WWI birds is hard. The RoF devs have had a number of issues with getting hard data, leading to guessing and a community unhappy with how things fly.

There's only a few of the WWI birds still in existance and they don't fly. The replicas are generally close enough for the full size ones, but even then there's not many of them around, and not all of them are fitted with a roughly equivalent engine.

 

Not saying it can't be done as modern computing means that with an accurate model of an aircraft then a lot of the flight dynamics can be computated, even edge of envelope stuff, but verifying it with a pilot is impossible for the most part, and getting the accurate manufacturing information to build an accurate model is very hard if not impossible in some cases.

 

With all that in mind, I'm actually quite suprised there hasn't been a AFM + ASM level free mod made by the community with a Camel or something, as it doesn't seem to hard to do a decent approximation.

[JimTM]

Maybe start with a Tiger Moth as a trainer for the WWII stream to start and move into WWI planes based on that experience. My dad trained in the Moth, so I'd love to see one in DCS some day.

[MVSokie]

I would rather have a Curtis Jenny as a trainer.

[CHSubZero]

Swiss-made twin-seat reconnaisance EKW C-35

 

[ineth]

Well besides the actuall modules involved that pose a certain appeal to all flight enthusiasts i really feel that the concentrated formations on land and air would make a really challenging and interesting experience. Oddly enough when i think of such a game i am not thinking of spectacular colored graphics that would challenge my fxcard but sepia colored environment and modules with immense detail. I do not feel that flying such a plane would be anywhere as difficult as some 50s jetplanes but delivering bombs and strafing would certainly be very hard to do. Imagine pulling out the safety pin of a mortar shell and simply throw it overboard on enemy lines while you get shot at from the soldiers having to keep an eye out for zeppelins and their ropes plus the uncasual fellow pilot looking for a fast kill.

 

I really feel that a WWI gaming enviroment should be in Sepia though as a WWII should be in black and white. If not as a standard, at least optional.

[ineth]

I mentioned a another jewel of past days aviation but it struck no response. I will throw in this wonderfull picture and let that image do the talking for me.

 

http://photo.net/learn/airshow/images/geebee.jpg

Edited February 16, 2016 by ineth

[QuiGon]

Umm... well... As I think ED's PFM is probably the most advanced Flight Model available, I would counter and say I would love to see a fully modelled WWI fighter, including ASM... I think it would be incredible.

 

Hmm, maybe I'm not really familiar with how DCS simulates wind forces, but it always feels pretty static in DCS. By that I mean there is a constant wind speed in a certain direction. I've never really experienced any gusts or turbulences like in RoF where your aircraft get's blown all over the place in all directions by wind and it's hard work to keep on course in windy conditions. But maybe the aircraft in DCS are just too heavy to get violently blown around by wind compared to the very lightweight WW1 planes.

[159th_Falcon]

Just a case of most mission designers not setting up the weather in a challenging way.

You can make your own mission's though, and even create dynamic weather based on cyclone/anticyclone systems.

In the mission editor, look on the LH side for the weather button,

then on the RH side a menu should appear, note the tabs at the top for

standard and dynamic weather. Play around whit the value's and see what happens when you try and fly.

 

Also note, when selecting dynamic weather, the wind strength and direction changes overtime.

It may also start or stop raining/snowing, lightning and thunder are also possible.

[NineLine]

Hmm, maybe I'm not really familiar with how DCS simulates wind forces, but it always feels pretty static in DCS. By that I mean there is a constant wind speed in a certain direction. I've never really experienced any gusts or turbulences like in RoF where your aircraft get's blown all over the place in all directions by wind and it's hard work to keep on course in windy conditions. But maybe the aircraft in DCS are just too heavy to get violently blown around by wind compared to the very lightweight WW1 planes.

 

I was just flying the A-10C Red Flag Campaign the other day, and as I dropped from 12000 feet as instructed, it got real bumpy, so as stated, it has a lot to do with the mission designer... its possible many dont do much except adjust the clouds or precipitation.

[QuiGon]

I was just flying the A-10C Red Flag Campaign the other day, and as I dropped from 12000 feet as instructed, it got real bumpy, so as stated, it has a lot to do with the mission designer... its possible many dont do much except adjust the clouds or precipitation.

 

That might indeed be a reason why I haven't experienced that in DCS so far since I'm mostly playing online missions which usally don't offer such things.

Alright then, in this case I'm looking forward to fight the Caucasus Campaign in DCS, although aviation was pretty limited there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus_Campaign). :D

[scotth6]

I don't mean to shoot you down (pun intended :D), but Rise of Flight already does a pretty good job simulating WW1 aerial warfare.

 

Cheers,