The AOA is a Stupid Instrument...

[Snacko]

[QuiGon]

:lol:

 

A true living legend :pilotfly:

 

 

"The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down."

— General Chuck Yeager, USAF, describing his first confrontation with a Me262.

 

 

Edited April 18, 2016 by QuiGon

[KLR Rico]

:thumbup: Awesome!

 

I did a report on him in grade school after being inspired by all the "Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Simulator" I was playing. :joystick:

[Neon67]

Dumb question, why is it stupid? how would you know otherwise ?

[Shahdoh]

From Yeager's era of flight, seat of the pants flying, stick positions, all told you what your Angle of attack was, thus, this indicator is meaningless. There is still the seat of the pants feel of the a/c but fly by wire takes away the stick position information so in modern era flying, is a helpful instrument. Though one with enough experience, would not need.

[RoflSeal]

Dumb question, why is it stupid? how would you know otherwise ?

The top 1% are blessed with an ass that can feel everything in a plane.

[QuiGon]

Does anyone know if General Yeager ever flew the F-15 in the front seat (or single seat)?

 

There was another honor flight in 1997 and wikipedia says this:

Yeager is fully retired from military test flying, after having maintained that status for three decades after his official retirement from the Air Force. On October 14, 1997, on the 50th anniversary of his historic flight past Mach 1, he flew a new Glamorous Glennis III, an F-15D Eagle, past Mach 1. The chase plane for the flight was an F-15 Fighting Falcon piloted by Bob Hoover, a legendary air-show pilot who had been Yeager's wingman for the first supersonic flight. This was Yeager's last official flight with the U.S. Air Force. At the end of his speech to the crowd, Yeager concluded, "All that I am ... I owe to the Air Force."

It doesn't say if he was flying or in the backseat.

 

 

He retired one year after the F-15 was put into regular service in the USAF, so maybe there were other opportunities?

Edited April 18, 2016 by QuiGon

[Aginor]

Yeager just doesn't realize it could be important. He has never flown a plane that could maneuver at high AoAs.

In those 3rd, 4th and later generation planes your ass feeling is worth almost nothing anymore.

 

Reading his biography IIRC he knows that, and he admits that for "blessed with skill Hillbillies" like him a modern plane is hard to fly. You have to be more of a computer geek than a old school pilot.

Guys like him (I think he once called himself "too dumb to have fear") were perfect in earlier times but not nowadays. You just need different skills now.

 

Also he is kind of a jerk. He also admits that himself. But he is a funny guy.

[Vincent90]

Check 1:55, what the hell happened to the front of that canopy?!

 

@Aginor: Sounds like a great read, what is the title of the book?

[cichlidfan]

Here it is. I haven't read it in many years but it is worthwhile.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Yeager-An-Autobiography-Chuck/dp/0553256742

 

There is also this one, which I am ashamed to admit, I have not read.

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0553053337/ref=s9_simh_gw_g14_i3_r?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-2&pf_rd_r=074H820JDVDQANB4SRJ2&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2437869762&pf_rd_i=desktop

Edited April 18, 2016 by cichlidfan

[zaelu]

Reading this article makes you think if that is really a stupid instrument.

 

http://www.flyingmag.com/aftermath-it-just-doesnt-compute

[xxJohnxx]

Reading this article makes you think if that is really a stupid instrument.

 

http://www.flyingmag.com/aftermath-it-just-doesnt-compute

 

Indeed the AOA indicator can be usefull in many situations.

 

However, this article is jumping to weird conclusions, as most of the solutions they propose exist allready. Boeing (and I belive Airbus as well) have the option to display an AOA indicator on the PFD. Most airlines however, seem to decide against those.

 

Additonally there is the option to enable a flight path vector like the one on the F-15 HUD, which could help in such situations as well. However, again, it seems most airlines have them disabled.

[ShalashakaDS]

The joke flew way over some people heads on this thread.

[probad]

apparently you're also a relic if you think a joke meter is a stupid instrument...

Edited April 19, 2016 by probad

[Snacko]

Yes it did, but the comments are interesting..

[Vitormouraa]

:megalol::megalol::megalol: What a lovely video, thank you for sharing. :smartass:

[GaryIKILLYOU]

apparently you're also a relic if you think a joke meter is a stupid instrument...

 

Because having more information available is for noobs!

[Aginor]

"See.. [points to AOA guage]

To me that is...stupid instrument.

It tells you what your angle of attack is.

If you don't know you shouldn't be flying."

 

Is it just a "young people today have it too easy" type joke or did I miss something.

 

I am not sure if he is joking actually. His book was filled to the brim with both joking and honest arrogance so I can't really tell at all when he does such remarks.

 

...but then I am German so I probably just don't have a feeling for jokes anyway. ;)

[QuiGon]

I think you guys are taking this waaaaay to serious. He's an old fighter pilot, who flew in a different era where technology was not as it is today. Chuckle about it and just admire what he has achieved back in his days. :pilotfly:

[Nooch]

Yes it's just a joke. I guess what he truly meant is nowadays pilots tend to rely on electronics too much sometimes and don't always pay enough attention to how they feel the plane. But I'm pretty sure he is aware of the fact that all this technology can be handy too.

When making jokes we tend to take something that has a tiny bit of truth in it and emphasize it quite a bit. It shouldn't be taken seriously.

[QuiGon]

Yes it's just a joke. I guess what he truly meant is nowadays pilots tend to rely on electronics too much sometimes and don't always pay enough attention to how they feel the plane. But I'm pretty sure he is aware of the fact that all this technology can be handy too.

When making jokes we tend to take something that has a tiny bit of truth in it and emphasize it quite a bit. It shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

Exactly, i couldn't have said it better :thumbup:

[cichlidfan]

There is also this one, which I am ashamed to admit, I have not read.

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0553053337/ref=s9_simh_gw_g14_i3_r?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-2&pf_rd_r=074H820JDVDQANB4SRJ2&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2437869762&pf_rd_i=desktop

 

In an effort to correct that oversight, I picked up a copy.

 

I found a nice used autographed copy for a reasonable price.

 

 

Don't know why the image got rotated, but...

 

EDIT: Of course, I don't have any evidence of it's authenticity. Whoever ends up with it after I pass on, can worry about that. :)

Edited April 21, 2016 by cichlidfan

[Jowen G. Bruère-Dawson]

Check 1:55, what the hell happened to the front of that canopy?!

 

@Aginor: Sounds like a great read, what is the title of the book?

 

 

 

Ouuh yep, missing panel !? Screws and PR outside i don't think it's normal ...

[mvsgas]

He is 89 years old, do you guys know a 89 year old that does not say random things? :D

 

 

Check 1:55, what the hell happened to the front of that canopy?!

 

Nothing, that is how they look if the paint peels off. Here or here you can see the same thing but the paint is still on.