Yugoslavia/Balkans

[bkthunder]

Voted yes, but It should definitely be expanded to include most of Italy and its airbases. You can't really have a balkans theater without Aviano and Amendola since a lot of missions departed from here. Of course the problem of Italy is that it would require a lot of specific buildings and objects to properly depict some cities (Venice for example).

[Aginor]

Yeah. Dammit Europeans! All those millenia-old cities with their complex structure and diverse buildings.

Why can't we just have boring, easy to build cities like the Americans?! :D :D

[kobac]

Just beware! This time we would have the S-300, and much more technically correct planes. :music_whistling:

[Pitot]

Do notice that you don't really have to simulate every village... :D Few low poly houses and fences would be fine for those populated hilltops. Also, there is no big need for making all the big cities - and even less to make them photo/sattelite realistic. Do you honestly believe Caucasus was done like that? But yet, we have had our fair share of fun in that theatre for many years. Yes, local people, such as myself, would find it a bit awkward to know that Banjaluka is bigger than *that*, or Sarajevo, but again - this isn't ArmA. No need for extreme realism. As for the population, have you seen the teaser screens of the WWII map? It is populated in the IL2 style and I don't have a feeling that DCS has problems with it ;)

 

I would like it with some more Airbases in Italy, even if the rest of Italian terrain was low quality.

I agree on that, but given that ED wants to enhance experience instead of trying to achieve the level of detail in vanilla FSX (ROFL!), I don't think that they would publish a theater that looks like that. But a middle solution usually works the best... ;)

Edited May 19, 2016 by Pitot

[westr]

You make some good points. It would make a good map. And the area mass is almost perfect.

[Pitot]

Voted yes, but It should definitely be expanded to include most of Italy and its airbases. You can't really have a balkans theater without Aviano and Amendola since a lot of missions departed from here. Of course the problem of Italy is that it would require a lot of specific buildings and objects to properly depict some cities (Venice for example).

 

Water and some gondolas would be just fine, trust me. This is not a game where you need to have awesome structures, as much as I personally feel the same as people who would like to GBU12 a pretty building :D There is only a need for a reference to the real landscapes and cities - just for the sake of creating the atmosphere. The gameplay is what matters the most. That is one of the reasons DCS expands (slowly, but still - expands) even after all the legal and developing troubles - because it has an audience that FEELS the atmosphere, the gameplay. We never had problems with, for example, flying over Tuapse that looks like 300 ppl village, while in RL it is a bit different. The level of modeling the cities/villages needs to be just as much detailed to produce the feeling you're flying over Balkans. No need for modeling authentic Serbian village with 4 guys rotating a pig on the skewer in the backyard, while 2 of them are passed out from rakija :D :D :D

 

As for including regions of Italy - only developers know how hard they can squeeze the engine at this point in time. I would love to see the same as you, do notice :)

[bkthunder]

Water and some gondolas would be just fine, trust me. This is not a game where you need to have awesome structures, as much as I personally feel the same as people who would like to GBU12 a pretty building :D There is only a need for a reference to the real landscapes and cities - just for the sake of creating the atmosphere. The gameplay is what matters the most. That is one of the reasons DCS expands (slowly, but still - expands) even after all the legal and developing troubles - because it has an audience that FEELS the atmosphere, the gameplay. We never had problems with, for example, flying over Tuapse that looks like 300 ppl village, while in RL it is a bit different. The level of modeling the cities/villages needs to be just as much detailed to produce the feeling you're flying over Balkans. No need for modeling authentic Serbian village with 4 guys rotating a pig on the skewer in the backyard, while 2 of them are passed out from rakija :D :D :D

 

As for including regions of Italy - only developers know how hard they can squeeze the engine at this point in time. I would love to see the same as you, do notice :)

 

I would't dismiss a city like Venice as "water and some gondolas" or even put it at the same level of Tuapse, for the same reason that you can't have Las Vegas modelled as a generic village in the NTTR map. These are major world renowned landmarks and in 2016 I don't think you'd get away selling a map made of only mountains and generic villages. This stuff works in BMS because it has a whole lot more atmosphere and immersion than DCS atm (dynamic campaign anyone?), and they still made a good effort in modelling the major cities to the amount that is allowed by their graphics engine.

[Pitot]

I would't dismiss a city like Venice as "water and some gondolas" or even put it at the same level of Tuapse, for the same reason that you can't have Las Vegas modelled as a generic village in the NTTR map. These are major world renowned landmarks and in 2016 I don't think you'd get away selling a map made of only mountains and generic villages. This stuff works in BMS because it has a whole lot more atmosphere and immersion than DCS atm (dynamic campaign anyone?), and they still made a good effort in modelling the major cities to the amount that is allowed by their graphics engine.

 

I must admit that I agree on all said.

[Automan]

My idea of Balkans theater

 

 

Square 900x900km

[Bender_39]

The Balkan region would be perfect for many modules we have right now for DCS.

But we really need the italien airfields to get the right impression.

 

So for me a big YES

 

It would bei nice to have the map dimensions that FSX have ;)

[Pitot]

My idea of Balkans theater

 

 

Square 900x900km

 

I like this.

 

Fictional YUAF Approves.

 

[Bassemann87]

I Voted Yes, we need a balkan map :)

[sobek]

Only if it includes the south of Austria. :)

 

In earnest, this would be a very attractive theater of operations with a multitude of possibilities. I suppose it would also be a lot of work due to population density, though.

[Boris]

This would be awesome. However, it does include a multitude of very well known und unique cities that would have to be modelled to some degree of accuracy.

[Pitot]

This would be awesome. However, it does include a multitude of very well known und unique cities that would have to be modelled to some degree of accuracy.

 

"Some degree" - Modelling variety of recognizable landmarks (in "buildings section"), but rest can be low poly buildings. Caucasus is hardly near that as it is, and it is still good. You all honestly believe they didn't cut out a lot from this theater? Point I am trying to say - let's not make this conversation into "too bad it can't work" type of. Developers know in what amount they can reproduce the geographical theater into the game one, not us. So, if we nag too much about "too bad it can't be done" it may give us a counter effect. We should make a big deal out of it to draw their attention, to prove to them that they will earn money from making it. Money they can invest in creating even more content. I mean, yeah, they surely love what they do, but without money it's a no - go - business. So, let's prove that majority of players are interested in this theater - and they might turn their attention to evaluating can it, how it can be and when it could be made. :)

[bkthunder]

"Some degree" - Modelling variety of recognizable landmarks (in "buildings section"), but rest can be low poly buildings. Caucasus is hardly near that as it is, and it is still good. You all honestly believe they didn't cut out a lot from this theater? Point I am trying to say - let's not make this conversation into "too bad it can't work" type of. Developers know in what amount they can reproduce the geographical theater into the game one, not us. So, if we nag too much about "too bad it can't be done" it may give us a counter effect. We should make a big deal out of it to draw their attention, to prove to them that they will earn money from making it. Money they can invest in creating even more content. I mean, yeah, they surely love what they do, but without money it's a no - go - business. So, let's prove that majority of players are interested in this theater - and they might turn their attention to evaluating can it, how it can be and when it could be made. :)

 

I'll get the ball rolling: make a bundle of DCS: F-16C + DCS: Balkans theatre, add a dynamic campaign and there you go, all the Falcon 4 people are instantly ported over to DCS :thumbup:

[Einherjer]

I'll get the ball rolling: make a bundle of DCS: F-16C + DCS: Balkans theatre, add a dynamic campaign and there you go, all the Falcon 4 people are instantly ported over to DCS :thumbup:

 

 

 

Not all... The half of the users will complain that it will cost some money ;)

[Pitot]

Not all... The half of the users will complain that it will cost some money ;)

 

LOL'd hard on the last part :D But yeah, I would even agree on 5 year ETA on full package of what the guy said. F16+F18+Balkans+Joy. :pilotfly:

[bkthunder]

Not all... The half of the users will complain that it will cost some money ;)

 

Lol!

Well, if you consider that they (we) have all of that for free right now... Actually there are far more chances of bms getting new graphics than dcs getting a dynamic campaign engine...

[Pitot]

Lol!

Well, if you consider that they (we) have all of that for free right now... Actually there are far more chances of bms getting new graphics than dcs getting a dynamic campaign engine...

 

Let's not get that ball rolling. All of us have a lot criticism to say about current affairs in DCS, but this is not a thread to say it in. :)

[burnjp5]

My old man flew in allied force, this would be awesome.

[Pitot]

My old man flew in allied force, this would be awesome.

 

What aircraft? :)

[x39crazy]

This is a great idea that I hope comes to fruition!

[Pitot]

Yeah, mate, a lot of us do :)

[Stratos]

My idea of Balkans theater

 

 

Square 900x900km

 

That map will allow us to use Su-25, Hips and Hinds in Macedonian civil war, apart from various fictional conflicts in Greece, Albania...