GA Planes

[WinterH]

Again, injection of some civilian aircraft modules would have no, or at the most negligible effect on DCS' list of improvements needed for combat side of things. Unless the sim decides going full civilian, which I just don't see happening. Trying to pique interest of some GA simmers is one thing, trying to compete with behemoths like FSX, P3D and X-Plane is whole another, and development effort needed to chart the sim that way would probably be more than most people think.

 

Black Swan's question works both ways : If one decided to develop a civilian rescue helicoper, why make a military one? If what a studio decided to develop is a Caribou, why make a B-1 instead?

 

Similarly, why make it half way? If someone decides to develop a GA module, and there are customers who want to fly them in DCS, why make "military version of same aircraft or the closest military aircraft to it"?

 

Pman, didn't you folks had something like a private mod for Zivko Edge 540 or somesuch along the lines? If for example, it would become a high quality module, I for one would like to buy it.

[Johnny Dioxin]

Not this 'discussion' yet again so soon after the last time! :doh:

 

It seems many people also don't realise that a lot of poorer countries (often those with despotic regimes) who can't afford fighter jets, adapt standard GA type aircraft to carry cannon and rockets or bombs and napalm.

 

I would certainly love to do some dangerous COIN or anti-guerilla ops with a Bandeirante or King Air fitted with such armament. High speed, tree-top level twin-prop antics. Loadsa fun! :D

[Jeepyb]

It would also be nice to have more civilian AI models of GA aircrafts in sim. Right now my virtual squadron has to use tankers to simulate intercepting airliners. It would be nice to simulate an environment were hostilities haven't reach the point where the airspace has been completely blocked to civilian traffic, both commercial and GA.

Edited June 20, 2016 by Jeepyb

[Exorcet]

Anything with wings is a perfect fit for a DCS module. Unfortunately no civilian aircraft are planned at the moment, but I hope threads like these do show that they are wanted. DCS has never been limited to just combat, and there is no benefit to limiting the scope of allowable modules anyway.

[MegOhm_SD]

:gun_sniper:

I don't mind targeting any aircraft with the wrong markings if it gets in way.

Would be interesting to see what a Sparrow would do to your "Cessna".

 

Hope you pack a chute. :pilotfly:

Edited June 20, 2016 by MegOhm_SD

[shagrat]

Oh don't get me wrong I love the idea of ANY replicated aircraft, it's just from a development standpoint why would you want 3 people from the development team (whether 3rd party or not) developing a private jet when they could be helping make a f-16, or if you want non combat, a C-130. Why make a civ plane when you still have SO many military aircraft from different eras/countries to put effort into instead?

Because the 3 guys from the Texture/modelling team, can't help the flight model/avionics coding team! ...and if it comes to 3rd parties from former FSX world, while waiting for the lawyers to negotiate a licence with the manufacturer about making <the next fighter jet> they could model an already contracted DC-3 etc. for DCS World...

Plain and simple. :D

[Teapot]

But why would anyone want to spend their free time flying a Cessna when the can fly a P-51? Lol

Sorry I just don't get it.

 

Try extracting a 2 man recon/sniper team with a P-51 ... we on the other hand used to use a P-6 (Pilatus Porter).

 

I want realism ...

[Rangi]

I would love a porter!

So far the choices of modules seems to be directed mainly by the preferences of the developers and their ability to obtain enough detailed information. So if a development team has a preference for a GA aircraft and can obtain the information they should go for it. I think the fears of the civilian side taking over are a bit of an exaggeration.

[NeilWillis]

Agreed Rangi. I can't see ED turning away a licence application just because the team want to model something different.

 

And the fear of GA taking over, and eclipsing the combat side of things is frankly paranoia. Until DCS World becomes global, then the vast majority of simmers interested in civil operations will stay loyal to the other platforms. And it'll be a long long long time before we get all the maps joining up that way, don't you think?

 

Never say never, and every new module will increase the customer base, regardless of what genre it fits into. New customers = more success and revenue. More revenue and more success = quicker development due to increased resources.

 

Do we really think being picky about what flies in our world will enhance our experience?

[The Black Swan]

Because the 3 guys from the Texture/modelling team, can't help the flight model/avionics coding team! ...and if it comes to 3rd parties from former FSX world, while waiting for the lawyers to negotiate a licence with the manufacturer about making <the next fighter jet> they could model an already contracted DC-3 etc. for DCS World...

Plain and simple. :D

 

True.... I understand what you guys are saying. I'm just afraid it would open a door that might slow down progress in other areas that's all.

[Destroyer37]

This is just my opinion but, who am I to say what is and what isn't DCS. If a developer does the research and puts out a great product weather GA, or Military or whatever then let them. All that will happen is the community will grown in Aircraft, Members, and Developers. As a real world pilot I haven't ever really found a great general aviation flight sim anywhere, so part of me thinks it would be nice to have some of the aircraft I cut my teeth on in DCS. That in itself may bring many positive changes to the sim. It could also add a touch of realism, I.E. Having to alter flight plans and training arrangements because some lone Bonanza has wondered into the MOA your operating in, or perhaps it will make a more interesting TFR intercept mission.

Edited June 20, 2016 by Destroyer37

[Weta43]

A civilian coalition with civilian planes would add a lot of depth to the military side of the SIM too (Think MP - Blue shoots down Iran Air Flight 655 - instant loss of mission).

As someone hinted at, Cessnas running drugs could make for a very interesting campaign for F-5E flyers & Cessna pilots.

 

But it would add access to DCS for a lot of people that wouldn't normally pick up a combat flight sim - who might then 'expand' their interest :-)

 

An Su-29 anyone ?

[Teapot]

I'd find it quite interesting to do a small seaplane and move from river - river and lake - lake etc.

 

I'd take the fidelity of DCS as sufficient to overcome the shortfalls of the map size.

 

Just my opinion :)

 

Pman

 

Ooh yeah! Amphibian Beaver, Otter or C185 please!

[OldE24]

ac-208

 

what about Cesna Caravan [ame]

[/ame]

 

cesna 208 that carries hellfires.

[Destroyer37]

I have been an advocate of the combat caravan since I joined the forums! +1

[Steve_]

A lot of times I just fly this game to fly. I dont always want to be in a combat aircraft.

 

exactly..

[BattleAxes Skinner]

SU-30MK, SEPECAT JAGUAR, MiG-35, MiG-25, MiG-21 BISON (the most advanced MiG21 in the world).

[BSS_Sniper]

GA aircrafts don't get my vote.

 

But, I'm voting for human controlled stations like the KC-135 boom operator or the AWACS with a funcitoning radio / IFF. Something like CA but support miliatry aircrafts.

 

MQ9 reaper station for AFAC, anyone?

 

Why? It just adds to the dynamic and brings in a HUGE community, not to mention a butt load of revenue. If they were to bring on a group to handle the civilian/GA aircraft so that it wouldn't interfere with what is already going on, it could only be a good thing. I really don't see a downside to this.

[Capn kamikaze]

doesn't the TF-51 count as a non-combat aircraft? just asking......

 

It's a trainer version of a combat one, so no it is not a general aviation aircraft.

[Capn kamikaze]

GA planes should only be included if they can't kick you out of a server for using them as target practice.....

[NeilWillis]

It's a trainer version of a combat one' date=' so no it is not a general aviation aircraft.[/quote']

 

A trainer? Actually, no it isn't, it is a civillianised version of a military aircraft.

 

But I do like your comment regarding being free to shoot down any civillian aircraft on any multiplayer server! That will certainly draw in the non-combat fraternity, and result in a warm fuzzy feeling all round.

 

Ever considered joining a diplomatic mission? They love a good joke there too!

 

:music_whistling:

[Teapot]

GA planes should only be included if they can't kick you out of a server for using them as target practice.....

 

Server rules and plane restrictions are set by whoever runs the server and the dictates of the mission/campaign itself.

 

If a person is dead against a particular aircraft they needn't script it into the mission. Easy peasy ;).

[shagrat]

It is up to the developers and third parties, anyway.

 

This discussion and the multiple other on this topic are pretty pointless.

As well, as Apple won't change the iPhone because of a forum thread, so won't Eagle Dynamics or any other company stop developing a civilian plane just because of this.

 

Can you imagine: "We need to stop the Airbus A320 immediately, there is a forum rant going on agianst GA planes!" - "Oh, damn! What about the US$ 800,000.00 we invested in manuals and blueprints, negotiations and the 578 manhours, already spent for the project" - "Just write it off! Our market research was wrong! There is no market for civilian planes in DCS. There are at least 7-10 people who strongly oppose GA aircraft in DCS, we need to stop!" ;)

 

By the way, it was posted earlier in this thread, but here it is anyway, the description of DCS World from ED: "Digital Combat Simulator World (DCS World) is a free-to-play digital battlefield game, focusing on simulation of military aircraft. (...) DCS is a true "sandbox" simulation that can and will cover multiple time periods covering many types of combat and civilian units. DCS World allows both realistic game play and more relaxed game play to suit the player.

 

DCS modules that can plug into DCS World can include aircraft, maps, ground units, campaigns, etc. Not only can DCS World include modules developed internally by Eagle Dynamics, but it can also include those by certified third party developers"

 

...and focusing does not mean exclusively.

 

Source: http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/products/world/

 

Other threads:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=156334

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=164343

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=152741

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=151207

Edited June 21, 2016 by shagrat

[Darkwolf]

The lack of decent civilian flight sim today is driving all those debates.

FSX is ugly. XP is a joke.

 

But well. . . They is a few closed mind people that will just be mad if this happens, because they are selfish and wants only combat module.

 

Fact is : Civilian aviation already exist in DCS, in the form of airshows, air races and civilian helis.

[SageOT]

It is up to the developers and third parties, anyway.

 

This discussion and the multiple other on this topic are pretty pointless.

As well, as Apple won't change the iPhone because of a forum thread, so won't Eagle Dynamics or any other company stop developing a civilian plane just because of this.

 

 

^ This. Although, I'm impressed with how long this one has run. :wallbash: