Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 8

[Reaper6]

By this logic, all planes should have capability to call in bombers

 

I'm fine with removing it or keeping it. I personally don't need a bomber for something I can do myself and a lot faster.

 

Reaper6

[NaCH]

I forget that red never outnumbers blue.... Blue was able to push 3 airbases last night before 12AM CST. Looks like between that time and now you guys took it all back. Yes, blue has more players, but there are plenty of times when red has more and lets face it, red is usually more organized then us scrubs.

 

 

I never saw 40 to 10 in favor in red like we use to see in the prime time US on the weekends.

 

The only time I saw something uneven on red was on Round 5 when basically was 3 guys at blue trying to defend Vaziani / Tibilisi

 

Epic fights with Sweeper.

[NaCH]

6 PM Berlin

 

 

[Panhead]

*★ВАРЯГ★ counts as maybe 4 players.. because he is beast flying everything. :D

In an A10C doing air to air he scares the living shit out of me. For real. I wish he spoke English instead of Romulan or something, so I can ask him 'how do'. ;)

[Jman]

I forget that red never outnumbers blue.... Blue was able to push 3 airbases last night before 12AM CST. Looks like between that time and now you guys took it all back. Yes, blue has more players, but there are plenty of times when red has more and lets face it, red is usually more organized then us scrubs.

 

All I know is 2 hours of huey flight to captures those 3 airbases was no joke... specially being the only heli lol

[M0ltar]

Changing things on the fly, during rounds and without much of a notice/explanation has been the modus operandi since I have joined the fun in round 5, you better get used to it.

 

Edit: Buddyspike team also tries to accomodate as much people as possible, so that might be a reason for it.

 

Just because they have never done it in the past does not mean they can't start doing it. People saying, get used to it, its how its always been is dumb. They change things in the servers for game play. Why not change how those changes are communicated as well?

 

I never saw 40 to 10 in favor in red like we use to see in the prime time US on the weekends.

 

The only time I saw something uneven on red was on Round 5 when basically was 3 guys at blue trying to defend Vaziani / Tibilisi

 

Epic fights with Sweeper.

 

I never said Blue and Red were even. Im simply going after the bias that red never has a decent number more players then blue. Yes, I know the teams are imbalanced. That is a result of the available airframes on each team. There is a reason blue has an issue with half the team wanting to fly A10s and the other half wanting to fly UH1s. Hell last night there was a point when there were 15 blue and not one person was in cap. Everyone was in A10s and UH1s.

[microvax]

My question with this whole argument on choppers being able to call in the bombers is this; why can they do it to begin with? Yes I get that they can do it in real life, but the issue, both with the Gazelle and the KA50 is that they can just sit in a spot and do it repeatedly without having to fly back to base. The hawk and the l39 I believe were much more balanced. Yes, you could call in intel when you were still in flight, but you have limited flight time and while you fly you are a target.

 

IMHO, having the intel gathering be on the helos makes the hawk and l39 kind of useless. Why not give the gazelle back its troops and call it good like its been in the past rounds?

 

Lastly, reaper, I think the reason some people are miffed about this is because the ka50 being able to call in bombers was never tested in the testing rounds to blue knowledge and was just added to the main rounds.

 

Yeah, while the Gazelle would loose lots of capability, in general having it as a armed troop transport would be great in the same way. The fun part is really sneaking around. :D

[microvax]

Actually KA50 CAN laser designate targets, it's irrelevant if they were used for it.

 

Reaper6

 

I said:

"

And technically KA50s where never used as target designation helicopters. KA29s with the rubikon where used for that. But thats really no point for blueflag."

 

So yeah that exactly means what you said.

Rubikon is the name of the computer/targeting electronics suite the KA50 and target designation ka29 have in common.

[including the shkval to my knowledge.] [Which implies that the KA50 technically can both designate and laser designate.]

And as I said, thats irrelevant for blue flag. Just an interesting fact. :D

There is very few info about that stuff and I did put quite some research in to find out how the ka29/ka50 tandem worked. Thats why I shared it. :)

[microvax]

I'm fine with removing it or keeping it. I personally don't need a bomber for something I can do myself and a lot faster.

 

Reaper6

 

What I said or wanted to point out, apparently I a terrible at zis, for literally forevar since round 7 thread where the Idea Ka50 needs le bomber call already poped up.

 

THX !

[kobeshow]

Just because they have never done it in the past does not mean they can't start doing it. People saying, get used to it, its how its always been is dumb. They change things in the servers for game play. Why not change how those changes are communicated as well?

 

Here we go again, "people saying" ... now somebody is going to read this and think there is an army of dudes who said it (forum snowballing 101).

It's just me, and I only worded my response like I did not to show disagreement, but in fact to express that I believe it is futile. I tried the very same thing you are doing now, as you can see without success.

So good luck with your request, I support it and would certainly welcome it.

Edited August 1, 2016 by kobeshow

[Reaper6]

I said:

"

And technically KA50s where never used as target designation helicopters. KA29s with the rubikon where used for that. But thats really no point for blueflag."

 

So yeah that exactly means what you said.

Rubikon is the name of the computer/targeting electronics suite the KA50 and target designation ka29 have in common.

[including the shkval to my knowledge.] [Which implies that the KA50 technically can both designate and laser designate.]

And as I said, thats irrelevant for blue flag. Just an interesting fact. :D

There is very few info about that stuff and I did put quite some research in to find out how the ka29/ka50 tandem worked. Thats why I shared it. :)

 

I gotcha. Technically, the KA50s were never used for much of anything. Besides the amount of maintenance hours, I think it is the greatest attack chopper out there. Even if they put the Apache in the game, I would still go with the KA50!

 

Reaper6

[microvax]

I gotcha. Technically, the KA50s were never used for much of anything. Besides the amount of maintenance hours, I think it is the greatest attack chopper out there. Even if they put the Apache in the game, I would still go with the KA50!

 

Reaper6

 

Ah kay, wasnt sure had to many people beeing confused by it. :lol:

Yeah, one of many military projects that stalled on both sides of the iron curtain post 1990.

 

I would say the KA50 is probably the best gunship, KA52 is a formidable reconnaissance platform, but the downscale on armor although it technically has a bigger cockpit to cover and the lower power to weight ratio spoilt it a bit for greatest gunship.

 

The thing I would love to see in DCS is an Tiger UHT module. While it does not have a gun, dont get me started about some choices here xD, it does have a very large FOV FLIR in the nose with the obligatory picture projected into helmet blah, but the main things I do really love about it are the mas sight and the ATGMs it uses.

The mast sight is according to info supplied by the army capable of reading a license plate at 15km distance, meanwhile the PARS3 LR is an imaging IR lock on after launch fire and forget pretty CM resistant salvofieable beast. :D

mark 4 targets with the sight looking over the cover, pop out to the side or pop up, 4 ATGMS salvo fired, run/hide. :DD

 

And even if there are inidcations the Tiger is in the works somewhere I doubt it will see the light, if at all, within the next 5 years.

[BodyOrgan]

I never said Blue and Red were even. Im simply going after the bias that red never has a decent number more players then blue. Yes, I know the teams are imbalanced. That is a result of the available airframes on each team. There is a reason blue has an issue with half the team wanting to fly A10s and the other half wanting to fly UH1s. Hell last night there was a point when there were 15 blue and not one person was in cap. Everyone was in A10s and UH1s.

Moltar, I have my doubts about this. Redfor has had this same problem since Round 5. In the past during the day (my time) the numbers slightly tip in favor of Redfor, but at night (my time) they're always 30/10 +/-, but as the night drags on it becomes 30/0. The only airframes restricted to sides in the previous rounds was the F-15C/Su-27/Mig-29 yet Redfor still faced those odds, so I don't think the airframe is the issue.

 

I myself started to play in Round 6, but found the odds so stacked I played all of two days, and didn't come back. I played Round 7 for two days as well, and then left because the numbers were the same. Bluefor only lost Round 7 because Redfor fields all its players on the last two days (they stay up 24 hrs), so they're finally able to get a numbers advantage. The same thing happened on Round 5.

 

One of the big issues with this Round (not as bad as 6) is Redfor isn't maintaining a numbers advantage for very long if at all, and I don't think it's an airframe issue. I personally feel the numbers disparity is starting to become long in tooth for a lot of Redfor pilots. Our HQ is filled with messages from Greg about "if you build it they (Redfor pilots) will come" in an effort to keep the spirits high aka keep those playing still playing. Why do you think this is? Propaganda like this is only needed if your user base intends to leave you hanging dry.

 

For Round 8 I just decided to resign myself to the fact we'll be outnumbered heavily when I play, and I'll just keep dropping those KUBS regardless of what happens.

[NaCH]

7 PM Berlin

 

[Frostie]

Only 2 to 1 in favour of Blue, these are normal odds which Red deal with, cos Red stronk with Varaeg/Bart. If only Blue could get some more pilots they might not have to rely solely on the 20 vs AI in the Euro nightshift hours to make some ground. :D

[NaCH]

8 PM Berlin

 

[Dave317]

I've played this a few times now and can see 3 slight problems with the current set up.

1. There are loads of su27's and f15's which makes it very hard for the slower aircraft. I know team work is the key for this mission but is still very hard defending in an a10 against an su or mig.

2. 4 lives aren't enough, for a rubbish pilot like me anyway.

3. Not many people use the transport helicopters.

 

How about this? You still have 4 lives but once these have run out you get another 4 but you can only use the transport choppers. What do you think?

[Voodooflies]

8 PM Berlin

 

 

Almighty SRS is so hyyyyyypeed ! :thumbup:

[M0ltar]

I've played this a few times now and can see 3 slight problems with the current set up.

1. There are loads of su27's and f15's which makes it very hard for the slower aircraft. I know team work is the key for this mission but is still very hard defending in an a10 against an su or mig.

2. 4 lives aren't enough, for a rubbish pilot like me anyway.

3. Not many people use the transport helicopters.

 

How about this? You still have 4 lives but once these have run out you get another 4 but you can only use the transport choppers. What do you think?

 

Thats how it is currently setup. The lives for the transports helis and the attack aircraft are separate.

 

Also, atm imo, there are way too many strikers and transports as opposed to fighters on blue. Wish we had more CAP players. :)

 

Lastly, you can't say, "There needs to be less fighters because Im having a hard time in my A10." If you're having a hard time maybe you need to coordinate with some CAP flights or train on dog fighting with fighters. Buddyspike is not an easy server and does not set CAP and CAS areas apart like 104th.

Edited August 1, 2016 by M0ltar

[Dave317]

Oh really. Didn't realise the chopper lives were separate. I'm not saying there should be less fighters either. I love the mirage but am always getting shot down and using up my 4 lives. Didn't realise I could still play on in a helicopter.

[NaCH]

9 PM Berlin

 

 

[TheSnark]

9PM Dutch time:

 

[M0ltar]

Oh really. Didn't realise the chopper lives were separate. I'm not saying there should be less fighters either. I love the mirage but am always getting shot down and using up my 4 lives. Didn't realise I could still play on in a helicopter.

 

Are you ever in comms? Most guys reside there during play on TS or SR. If you need any help with the A10C feel free to ask.

Edited August 1, 2016 by M0ltar

[Jester Darrak]

Only 2 to 1 in favour of Blue, these are normal odds which Red deal with, cos Red stronk with Varaeg/Bart. If only Blue could get some more pilots they might not have to rely solely on the 20 vs AI in the Euro nightshift hours to make some ground. :D

 

Oh please, it's not just the numbers. BLUE attracts many casual/novice pilots that, if at all, communicate solely via chat. I see them typing "I'm in A-10, where to go?" and then they die 10 minutes later and subsequently leave the server. New player comes in - rinse repeat. The overall numbers don't really reflect the real "force" that's actually attacking.

 

BLUE has too many planes that are in some way degraded, bugged, and or way too underpowered.

 

F-5: Basically a faster HAWK with a short range radar

Gazelle: Only 4 missiles

Mirage: Missiles bugged

F-15: Missile performance is so poor, it comes down to dogfighting 90% of the time where Shlem/R73 stand out

A-10: Way too slow with greatly reduced attack range

F-4: Self-explanatory.

 

I even see Su27s equipping ECM and fly above cons. Strange new world...

[Dave317]

Yep I'm always listening on teamspeak. I've only just got my mic working so should be on tomorrow.