Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 8

[Panhead]

Can you ( or should you even ) use TS and SRS same time to cover all players or am I wrong here ??

I have TS and SR up all the time.

 

When I GCI, I can see who is using SR and who is not, by using the website or the desktop app. If they are using simple radio, they are aware of the public GCI channels from the -motd and from a few other documents.

 

So, we have a known freq for GCI, and if my instructions are to those I know on SR, I use that. Because if they want GCI, they are on that freq. For those on only TS, I request they join SR for GCI. If they can't for some reason or another, I broadcast in TS as well.

 

Is it cumbersome, yes. But I'm not going to force people to use SR for my GCI calls if I am doing it publicly. A public GCI is just that - for everyone. Would I prefer to use just one? And which would it be? Personally, I'd want SR for GCI exclusively.

 

For squad only controlling (where I am not directing everyone), I am calling on one or the other. Not both.

 

EDIT:

For aircraft with a single radio, or two dissimilar aircraft in the same flight with incompatible frequencies, it may be a little tough... i.e. F5 or MiG21... Game the system a little and use TS in another channel for interflight and SR if you want GCI.

Edited August 4, 2016 by Panhead
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[Pikey]

Shout out to Matko last night for stepping up and providing an organised approach to the GCI role. Thank you.

 

Key points: Announced sunrise in chat with frequency, likewise announced Midnight and occasionally advertised his services in chat, so for those unfamiliar with DCS Simple radio, they may understand what was going on. Additionally he went a little further and gave us some basic arrival and departure information, not too much, but more than is required for sure (i'm sure we can treat airports as uncontrolled in the game lest we have 30 Towers). He anticipated player requirements and went a long way to organising the radio comms, without being oppressive or too noisy.

 

The people in channel were also playing up to this level by being more breif. I'm not saying people can't do with a healthy dose of shut the f'up still, there still are problems with that, but on simple radio the difference between teamspeak blobs and organised comms was

 

MASSIVE.

 

It's close to where BF 1 and 2 were at in terms of control, but less congested. There were less people shouting out about useless information, presumably because the people interested in SRS tend to be more focused on radio use.

 

Calling Fox's...I saw some say this wasn't appropriate and I have to politely disagree. The 'GCI's' in this fashion do run engagements like a Air Battle Manager and thus calling shots are relevant to engagements. However we are at a split of use between generic AWACS and ABM/WD use and if you want to start getting complicated about it, we don't fit into either catagory very well. I am of the opinion that you have to step out of the real world and apply some common sense and practicality eventually. Running an engagement from the F10 map makes sense and the WD role would be more appropriate but it will end up in cluttered comms. If flight leads are happy calling Judy and getting on with it then so be it. Until then, the designated GCI dude is just as well giving decent guidance with all the available time he has and extending the boundaries of his authority, up to an including tactical recommendations. Because...why not? If there are too many engagements to manage he manages the brevity and scales down his input.

 

One of the limitations of these massive Super-GCI's is actually that some aircraft have only one frequency to use and thus flights will not neccessarily have interflight comms available on top of the GCI frequency. Shame that it is, go and puzzle why the F-15 didn't have a VHF radio or others have only one radio and work out how they could manage. Then you will see how the GCI is working outside his role and should be an Air Battle Manager.

 

One shoe size does not fit all. Fox calls and tactics should stay, according to the level of brevity required to cram everyone in there. As far as that goes, it has to be best effort, not realism.

[Pikey]

So last night I tried solo in F5 and Hawk without any TS because I wanted to see if it's workable. Solo, it is, but in a flight I have no idea how to cope without multiple radios unless some massive concessions are made to the GCI frequency or we get lots more GCI's.

 

I really want to try without TS for tactical elements although TS would be nice for the chit-chat, so as to appreciate a new experience in DCS. I think this is going to be challenging for teams to organise themselves on the fly, but for public solo's I think SRS works awesomely.

 

TLDR; solos try SRS if you aren't the chatty type ;)

I have TS and SR up all the time.

 

When I GCI, I can see who is using SR and who is not, by using the website or the desktop app. If they are using simple radio, they are aware of the public GCI channels from the -motd and from a few other documents.

 

So, we have a known freq for GCI, and if my instructions are to those I know on SR, I use that. Because if they want GCI, they are on that freq. For those on only TS, I request they join SR for GCI. If they can't for some reason or another, I broadcast in TS as well.

 

Is it cumbersome, yes. But I'm not going to force people to use SR for my GCI calls if I am doing it publicly. A public GCI is just that - for everyone. Would I prefer to use just one? And which would it be? Personally, I'd want SR for GCI exclusively.

 

For squad only controlling (where I am not directing everyone), I am calling on one or the other. Not both.

 

EDIT:

For aircraft with a single radio, or two dissimilar aircraft in the same flight with incompatible frequencies, it may be a little tough... i.e. F5 or MiG21... Game the system a little and use TS in another channel for interflight and SR if you want GCI.

[microvax]

Yeah, I use SR and TS at the same time as GCI.

It only gets messy if people on TS are crowding comms with completely irrelevant stuff.

 

"Something is hit"

 

"he is rolling"

 

"whats the range off"

 

And as said I sometimes get salty and tell people to either do interflight stuff on seperate SR or TS channel or I will cease GCI service on TS.

If I only do it on TS, then its not that much of a problem, its annoying but not breaking much since you can still shout "BREAK YOU SCRUBLORDS", I should really have an audio sample at hand in mlg voice generator fashion, so I just have to press a button, and talk to whoever needs to be talked to immediately.

 

But If I am monitoring 264, 254, frequency for someone I chit chat to or an flight frequency AND teamspeak, and I am talking to someone on one of the frequencies, its simply breaking your brain filtering nonsense from TS while talking + coordinating something on SRS.

If someone does a short brevity call on TS for magic its no problem to quickly press the appropriate PTT and say "wait 1" while finishing the call on SRS, then come back to TS.

 

But if people are having a nice teatime conversation on TS about some random nonsense its really straining your concentration. xD

 

For the fox calls I am divided. There is pretty much 2 cases of Fox calls.

People who arent currently in dialog with magic calling foxes are just plain I dunno, I do not even know where that fox is, what is the target its just useless info.

If I am vectoring someone and he is like "judy, fox*", or we are seeking for something and people call foxes okay that is usefull.

 

Mass weapons releases [moltar I am looking at you] calls are also usefull. I do know as magic "okay that stuff is getting seriously blown up", roll the helis or announce that to whoever needs to know. Meanwhile if someone is releasing a single maverick at an airfield, seriously who cares. On the other hand a single maverick against an blocking SA6 is really usefull info.

 

 

But in the end FOX and Rifle calls are really the last problem I think we have in terms of crowded comms.

Edited August 4, 2016 by microvax

[Voodooflies]

Hi, just to clarify what I believe Sacha is proposing - and some of you are agreeing with, including some of my own thoughts:

 

A) In very general terms with no specific boundaries, we will assume that each airport is considered uncontrolled - i.e. no Tower/Departure/Ground/Arrival, etc. This means there is no human monitoring and directing aircraft. In games terms, there is no dedicated GCI for traffic purposes.

 

B) Tune your radio to the airport tower frequency. 5 mic clicks will turn the runway lights on... no, wait... Just state your intentions on this frequency. You don't have to be all hard, and do it with proper language, but it will help. Whenever I try to be a gaming pilot I always mush mouth the comms and say shit all jacked up - so it's much easier for me to keep it simple.

 

C) The only people on this freq are those using the airport.

 

We can assume there will be those not using Simple Radio, or TS for that matter. No big deal. As stated earlier, adhere to a side of the runway if you want.

 

Gentlemen, we have to take the initiative. If we throw our hands up and say people won't do this because they can't be assed to do it, or are not on comms, then we remain in a state of chaos. Create the opportunity for society to accept what is being done in a consistent manner, and we thereby establish the norm.

 

You're right buddy. Anyway, if we do it like this, Buddy Spike admins will need to clarify frequency usage trought a video tutorial, .pdf file, -motd or else to make things clear. That said, I'm fine aswell using a single ATC frequency. I don't mind. But it will be indeed more realistic to tune in the homeplate frequency rather than a global frequency.

 

For the fox calls I am divided. There is pretty much 2 cases of Fox calls.

People who arent currently in dialog with magic calling foxes are just plain I dunno, I do not even know where that fox is, what is the target its just useless info.

If I am vectoring someone and he is like "judy, fox*", or we are seeking for something and people call foxes okay that is usefull.

 

By my side, the only things I do report on the GCI's channel are splashes by giving bullseye reference of the splash occurence, nothing else. GCI are sometimes blind or get a picture clear on their scope, so reporting such events may also raise global SA.

 

"Magic, Charcot 22 splash bandit at bulls 067 for 254."

 

Finally, it looks like red are having a hard time...

 

Edited August 4, 2016 by Sacha

[kobeshow]

 

Finally, it looks like red are having a hard time...

 

 

And I think "Mr.Get your own callsign" is having a hard time coming up with his own callsign :D

[Genchou]

Edit: nvm

Edited August 4, 2016 by Genchou

[Reaper6]

 

Finally, it looks like red are having a hard time...

 

 

And Blue can't win already, even with those numbers? This is by far the most irritating round of BlueFlag I have ever played. I think BS needs a script to limit the number of active pilots each side can have at a time. Blue needs to pull their heads out and win already...

 

Reaper6(Hella salty today)

[microvax]

And Blue can't win already, even with those numbers? This is by far the most irritating round of BlueFlag I have ever played. I think BS needs a script to limit the number of active pilots each side can have at a time. Blue needs to pull their heads out and win already...

 

Reaper6(Hella salty today)

 

Getting shotdown by uh1s today, can understand the saltyness. :D

[Reaper6]

Getting shotdown by uh1s today, can understand the saltyness. :D

 

Yeah I was hit by 2 SAMs first, so not sure thats something to be too proud of? All while destroying Sochi by myself :) I actually would give props to any Huey that could take me down in a straight fight!

 

Reaper6

Edited August 4, 2016 by Reaper6

[microvax]

Yeah I was hit by 2 SAMs first, so not sure thats something to be too proud of? All while destroying Sochi by myself :)

 

Reaper6

 

I just saw it in the log, was spooling up in muh 342m.

I just know the weird feeling when one gets killed in the ka50 by 7.62 and one is like "this should not have happend" :DD

 

Nothing to be proud of anywhere. :D Just banterz.

[roccoo]

"Finally red side is having a hard time" = red side is < 2 blue vs 1 red

[Reaper6]

I just saw it in the log, was spooling up in muh 342m.

I just know the weird feeling when one gets killed in the ka50 by 7.62 and one is like "this should not have happend" :DD

 

Nothing to be proud of anywhere. :D Just banterz.

 

Whoever hits something with the last shot, gets credit for the kill. But it would have been a nice fight, there were no jets around. I'm all for some Heli battles. If he would have actually been the one to bring me down, I would have gave him props. But shooting at something falling out of the sky is not a kill in my book.

 

Reaper6

[microvax]

Whoever hits something with the last shot, gets credit for the kill. But it would have been a nice fight, there were no jets around. I'm all for some Heli battles.

 

Reaper6

 

I know the feels ^^. As soon as the gazelle haz le mistrals I am up for some trials against an ka50. But in a rigid gun mount heli I am not going to meet a KA50 headon. Simply never. :D

Its just suicide. But for surprise the gazelle is pretty damn good.

[Reaper6]

I know the feels ^^. As soon as the gazelle haz le mistrals I am up for some trials against an ka50. But in a rigid gun mount heli I am not going to meet a KA50 headon. Simply never. :D

Its just suicide. But for surprise the gazelle is pretty damn good.

 

Yeah the Gazelle is a bit more of a challenge its far more manueverable than the Huey. I dont think it can take as much damage though?

 

Reaper6

[Etherlight]

And Blue can't win already, even with those numbers? This is by far the most irritating round of BlueFlag I have ever played. I think BS needs a script to limit the number of active pilots each side can have at a time. Blue needs to pull their heads out and win already...

 

Reaper6(Hella salty today)

 

There's a reason I refuse to play with those numbers. ^^ It's just the best way to avoid getting salty and frustrated: Don't play with uneven numbers 2:1 or higher. I only join when there is meaningful gameplay to be had with halfway decently balanced teamnumbers. I suggest the same to you, since being the punchingball of a stacked team is not your job as a player.

[microvax]

Yeah the Gazelle is a bit more of a challenge its far more manueverable than the Huey. I dont think it can take as much damage though?

 

Reaper6

 

If you got someones 6 nothing is getting you off there in a gazelle. But getting there is hard since you cant really make more then 215kph in the 342l.

 

Thats really its main draw back in heli to heli. Was flying behind an mi8 forevar trying to catch him, he never noticed me but I could not really catch up. xD

 

But the little damage it can take is kinda made up for with beeing a pretty tiny target.

 

Mistrals are going to be fun, but you still have to spot stuff...

Edited August 4, 2016 by microvax

[BodyOrgan]

Was flying behind an mi8 forevar trying to catch him, he never noticed me but I could not really catch up. xD

Was this yesterday at Beslan-Tbilisi FARP? It might have been me. I was flying around dropping KUBS, and Igla's, and I took a hit from something which messed up my transmission, but I just kept chugging along because it didn't seem to affect performance all that much.

 

I called it a night when Smokey gunned my entire KUB system in a single pass which I had just setup, and on the second pass he gunned me. I was too busy watching the burning KUB in awe, and saying "Carl! You had one job!"

 

The KUB fired one missile at something, and never fired again. Not sure if BS team changed something, but I think these things are borked again.

[microvax]

Was this yesterday at Beslan-Tbilisi FARP? It might have been me. I was flying around dropping KUBS, and Igla's, and I took a hit from something which messed up my transmission, but I just kept chugging along because it didn't seem to affect performance all that much.

 

I called it a night when Smokey gunned my entire KUB system in a single pass which I had just setup, and on the second pass he gunned me. I was too busy watching the burning KUB in awe, and saying "Carl! You had one job!"

 

The KUB fired one missile at something, and never fired again. Not sure if BS team changed something, but I think these things are borked again.

 

No was 2 days ago at ge-sa.

 

I got the mi8 after some time but it was a struggle he just could have run away. :DD

 

 

Reaper I guess that was a fair fight. :D Was good fun muh heartrate was a little through the roof, cant believe I survived that engagement and lived to tell the story. xD Good fun.

[M0ltar]

Quick question for the admins that I think needs to be addresses for red and blue.

 

Why, when you takeover and airfield, in this case Beslan, does it start closed on the next restart even if it has already repaired before the restart occurs? Is this a feature or a bug?

Edited August 4, 2016 by M0ltar

[microvax]

Quick question for the admins that I think needs to be addresses for red and blue.

 

Why, when you takeover and airfield, in this case Beslan, does it start closed on the next restart even if it has already repaired before the restart occurs? Is this a feature or a bug?

 

+1 asking for this since round 6 nobody seems to believe me sometimes. :DD

 

 

Btw did the SU27, KA50 1 or KA50 2 got me 7,8km out to the north east of Beslan ? :D

 

Edit:[Would also be interesting to know If GCI or a fighter or a heli did spot me. Was great fun sneaking around as long as it lasted but getting within 5k of beslan is really meh imho. :D

Really adds to the fun of sneaking around that there was some ka50s to worry about. Trying to check the tack but as tracks are, you crash somewhere just because you flew low in the original one. Its really bothering me that you practically have to check tacview to clear theese kinds of questions, and you cant when your heli crashes in the track for no good reason whatsoevar. ]

 

Didnt even know that all the freakin CAP was gone. :D

Edited August 4, 2016 by microvax

[Reaper6]

+1 asking for this since round 6 nobody seems to believe me sometimes. :DD

 

 

Btw did the SU27, KA50 1 or KA50 2 got me 7,8km out to the north east of Beslan ? :D

 

Didnt even know that all the freakin CAP was gone. :D

 

Was me :) Payback for earlier lol.

 

Reaper6

[Reaper6]

There's a reason I refuse to play with those numbers. ^^ It's just the best way to avoid getting salty and frustrated: Don't play with uneven numbers 2:1 or higher. I only join when there is meaningful gameplay to be had with halfway decently balanced teamnumbers. I suggest the same to you, since being the punchingball of a stacked team is not your job as a player.

 

It's fine sometimes for 2 or 3 to 1, but when it gets any higher than that it's pointless. It's hard to engage 4 F15s in a KA50 at once.

 

Reaper6

[Reaper6]

+1 asking for this since round 6 nobody seems to believe me sometimes. :DD

 

 

Btw did the SU27, KA50 1 or KA50 2 got me 7,8km out to the north east of Beslan ? :D

 

Edit:[Would also be interesting to know If GCI or a fighter or a heli did spot me. Was great fun sneaking around as long as it lasted but getting within 5k of beslan is really meh imho. :D

Really adds to the fun of sneaking around that there was some ka50s to worry about. Trying to check the tack but as tracks are, you crash somewhere just because you flew low in the original one. Its really bothering me that you practically have to check tacview to clear theese kinds of questions, and you cant when your heli crashes in the track for no good reason whatsoevar. ]

 

Didnt even know that all the freakin CAP was gone. :D

 

GCI spotted you then I tracked you for a few Km.

[gregzagk]

Quick question for the admins that I think needs to be addresses for red and blue.

 

Why, when you takeover and airfield, in this case Beslan, does it start closed on the next restart even if it has already repaired before the restart occurs? Is this a feature or a bug?

 

Hello, what is repaired in the airbase?

Maybe it has not the fuel bunkers etc?

 

Greg