Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 8

[gregzagk]

DCS World 1.5.4 Update 3 for Stable and Openbeta is out - will you update the Blue Flag server or should we wait, so that the Buddyspike Team can run some test?

 

Will update after restart.

 

Greg

[microvax]

You are going to win this war through a wall of text.

 

I'm not trying to single you out. In general I hear the same arguments from Bluefor. We can't accomplish anything because of pilot skill. The finger pointing I was speaking of isn't Bluefor pointing at Redfor, but Bluefor pointing at Bluefor.

 

Due to the above the same argument keeps getting laid forth that the numbers aren't a problem. The numbers have actually gotten so bad at times that some Bluefor are acknowledging this, but we keep going back to Redfor is more efficient, so it all evens out. It only evens out when the numbers even out. Bluefor doesn't have significant gains because you're pushing into Redfor home bases which means your time on station is less, the time it takes to get there is longer, the AI become a factor, etc, etc... Remember we can spawn everything on our bases while you can't. This makes defending these areas easier for us. If you lose a valuable asset like a chopper, then the time to get back could be 30 minutes to an hour. For us it would be a matter of respawning. The reverse holds true. It becomes extremely hard to take Bluefor bases. Notice we pretty much only ever get Sochi because it's the closest one to us.

 

I also didn't claim I knew how life on Bluefor is. I stated we face same problems you describe in your post. If you face other problems, then I don't know if we do or not, because I don't know what those other problems are. You can call that false all you want.

 

Fighting a defensive battle against oppressive odds can be fun every now and then which is about how you receive it. It isn't all that fun when it's all you get to do, and if you think otherwise then you really should join Redfor.

 

As for my bombing runs, it was the first time I got to call in a bomber strike. Transport or no transport I was calling in that bombing strike.

 

I do not conceive it as a war it is an discussion, an exchange of info and interpretation of observations. You can declare a discussion as war if its against an obviously flawed thing like chemtrails but I would not consider our discussion here "a war to be won".

And please, if you start a conversation, you have to expect an honest answer. And if the issue is missinterpretation, the solution should be more info, since more info is, if read with a constant interest in understanding the point, makes the probability of missinterpretation smaller.

 

Last time: I am not making a point that numbers arent a problem.

And yes defense in that case is easier, but if we are at 2:1 or 3:1 that shouldnt be a problem either.

 

Ah kay, since you didnt specify that you meant that you face the same subset of problems I thought you meant you face [all] the same problems. Well I wouls say anyway that we face different problems which lead to similar outcomes. :D

 

Fighting as a team is allways fun. Outcome doesnt matter.

'would be redfor if the people i like to fly with werent bluefor. If the next round ist split framesets again I will be flying red. Even if you do not have glorious mirage. I miss muh KA50 and mi8.

uh1 is simply meh performance wise and gazelle is only fun for so long. :D

[And mirage has broken CCIP pipper, which is ultra meh.]

 

 

I noticed that you did, I did just did make a small joke.

[M0ltar]

Not saying your frustrations are wrong. It's tough dealing with people who aren't able to get the job done, and who don't want any help in getting the job done.

 

"However, what is not an issue on red, to my understanding, is the player numbers."

This is an issue in the opposite direction.

 

On my end, I was sending in a bomber strike to a FARP which I closed twice before being forced to retreat. I asked for Mi-8 pilots, but none were to be had for over 2 hours. Not a single Mi-8 pilot in the entire team. It wasn't until the very end in the last 30 minutes of the round that Reaper6 (not a Mi-8 pilot) took a Mi-8 for his first flight to help retake the city south of Beslan because we lacked the players. I can't believe he didn't VRS.

 

Lets also look at things from an ED level, as well as me screwing up level. Same situation as above. I'm the only Mi-8 pilot available, so I start making my way to a FARP which a 25T pilot closes. 2 KM from the FARP, game crashes! Thanks ED! Take 2! While waiting for the 25T to close the FARP, I decide to land to place an EWR, and what do I do? I VRS, doh! (I don't do this much anymore, but it happens). Sorry guys I wasted your time. Take 3! short story, my game crashes again. We deem the FARP touched by the hand of the Bluefor GODS and abandon all attempts to take it.

 

IMO Communication can be managed. Lack of players/assets cannot.

 

We still have that issue on blue even though we have numbers. Ill ask for a heli and half the time no one will do it when Im closing something even though we have a ton of people on and 7 people in UH1s. I have no idea what some people do when they pick CAS or helis. They just take off and are never seen or heard from again. So, even though we may have someone that would, he can't because all the slots are taken and the person in the slots will not respond to comms or if they do won't team play and does what they want.

 

I feel your pain on everything. Seems like a smaller guerrilla force is much more effective then the republic of china's army.

[BodyOrgan]

I do not conceive it as a war it is an discussion, an exchange of info and interpretation of observations. You can declare a discussion as war if its against an obviously flawed thing like chemtrails but I would not consider our discussion here "a war to be won".

And please, if you start a conversation, you have to expect an honest answer. And if the issue is missinterpretation, the solution should be more info, since more info is, if read with a constant interest in understanding the point, makes the probability of missinterpretation smaller.

That was my joke. I'm going to die while reading your text before getting back to the war.

 

Ah kay, since you didnt specify that you meant that you face the same subset of problems I thought you meant you face [all] the same problems. Well I wouls say anyway that we face different problems which lead to similar outcomes. :D

That sums it up pretty well though I think we face similar problems more then one might be lead to believe.

[BodyOrgan]

We still have that issue on blue even though we have numbers. Ill ask for a heli and half the time no one will do it when Im closing something even though we have a ton of people on and 7 people in UH1s. I have no idea what some people do when they pick CAS or helis. They just take off and are never seen or heard from again. So, even though we may have someone that would, he can't because all the slots are taken and the person in the slots will not respond to comms or if they do won't team play and does what they want.

 

I feel your pain on everything. Seems like a smaller guerrilla force is much more effective then the republic of china's army.

That description is great! "Never seen or heard from again". You need to get Mulder, and Skully on it. Might be some Redfor UFO out there.

 

Our most successful runs tend to happen with around 4 to 5 people. Anything more which isn't defense falls apart rather quickly.

[M0ltar]

That description is great! "Never seen or heard from again". You need to get Mulder, and Skully on it. Might be some Redfor UFO out there.

 

Our most successful runs tend to happen with around 4 to 5 people. Anything more which isn't defense falls apart rather quickly.

 

Agreed. This is when I most successful stuff happens too.

[microvax]

That was my joke. I'm going to die while reading your text before getting back to the war.

 

Ah kay didnt catch that one. Damn it you got me ;DD

 

No but honestly I am not WOT intentionally. I am below microvax average on post volume.

Sorry :lol:

[microvax]

I feel your pain on everything. Seems like a smaller guerrilla force is much more effective then the republic of china's army.

 

Yup.

[BodyOrgan]

Something just dawned on me,

maybe spawned bombers could cost resources, so lets say a bomber is going form Maykop to a farp, then Maykop loses X ammount of fuel. That would make bomber spamming very dangerous for your own forces, make strikes more valuable AND increase the importance of manually refueling airfields.

Since Bombers are tied to a specific airfield anyways I imagine this should be doable.

On the other hand this kind of change would require a great ammount of communication and coordination, which might be a problem from what I can read here, and form what I have expirienced on the server.

So just throwing this out there as an idea, I realise it might cause more trouble though.

This would be even more effective at curtaining spammed bomber runs if the AI refueling aircraft is turned into a chopper, but I don't really see the bombers as to big of a problem right now. It take some time for them to reach their target, and they fly right into enemy threats without taking any evasive action.

 

Sometimes they actually help capture a FARP, or airfield, but mainly they seem to be a minor inconvenience at best.

[Panhead]

Sometimes they actually help capture a FARP, or airfield, but mainly they seem to be a minor inconvenience at best.

on more than one occasion i have directed f15s to take out a late friendly bomber as we captured the target and didnt want to get closed by carpet bombing.

 

Maybe BF team can add a bomber cancel option for the caller.

[BodyOrgan]

on more than one occasion i have directed f15s to take out a late friendly bomber as we captured the target and didnt want to get closed by carpet bombing.

 

Maybe BF team can add a bomber cancel option for the caller.

Funny that you mention this, because Reaper6, Dave, and myself went to close the Maykop-Sochi FARP using two Ka-50's and my Mi-8. A bomber strike was called in which we ended up having to wait on it to carpet bomb prior to us capturing the FARP less we bomb ourselves.

 

We didn't get far enough away from the FARP for the bombing run, so we all got peppered by the bombs, but we're functional enough to still capture it thankfully. It was a very cool experience having bombs dropped all around you. Gave the feeling of a large war even if they were our own bombs.

[M0ltar]

Just so everyone is aware the update that was released today was the wrong one. Zeus released this this morning after the patch was released.

 

Ok. There has been a SNAFU and the bins that have been delivered today are just the 1.5.4 version of the 2.0.3 bins. These are old bins with the 2.0.3 bugs. The fixes are not there.

 

So, basically 1.5.4 now has the "Super Radar".

 

I guess we will have to wait for the next release.

 

I knew something was wrong when I checked the updated folders and something was missing. I rechecked with the delivered package to ED and the fixes are there.

 

ED released an old package. Gosh! I hate when that happens.

 

My apologies to you all for this FUBAR.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2866283&postcount=3010

[Etherlight]

The current situation:

 

 

 

Secret leader of BLUEfor:

 

 

 

Perceived average BLUEfor player:

 

 

 

Actual average BLUEfor player:

 

 

 

:>

Edited August 5, 2016 by Etherlight

[microvax]

Just so everyone is aware the update that was released today was the wrong one. Zeus released this this morning after the patch was released.

 

 

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2866283&postcount=3010

 

I would say that equalizes the magic bug. :D

 

Dont tell redfor ! :D

[Jman]

Just so everyone is aware the update that was released today was the wrong one. Zeus released this this morning after the patch was released.

 

 

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2866283&postcount=3010

 

 

Time for 360 no scope super 530 kills :pilotfly:

[BodyOrgan]

I would say that equalizes the magic bug. :D

 

Dont tell redfor ! :D

I wonder if the Mirage will ever not be broken.

[BodyOrgan]

Time for 360 no scope super 530 kills :pilotfly:

That's going to cause a ton of problems for our SA in fighters. Without that thing losing lock we'll never know if you're in front, 3/9, or behind. Not to mention if we have other bandits closing from other directions.

 

Edit: We'll.. I guess we'll know since it should point in the direction you're locking, but if we're chasing you, then we'll be blind to everything else.

[microvax]

That's going to cause a ton of problems for our SA in fighters. Without that thing losing lock we'll never know if you're in front, 3/9, or behind. Not to mention if we have other bandits closing from other directions.

 

Somehow not sorry since it only had half its armament the last week.

 

But I get the pain with the russian RWR. xDD

 

But honestly its not RAZBAMs fault, ED messed up.

Razbam is really fast at bug extermination. EDs patch cycle is the biggest thing stopping the mirage from not beeing broken.

[microvax]

Time for 360 no scope super 530 kills :pilotfly:

 

Do the 530s track behind you ? xDDD

Who needs high angle off boresight IR if you can have 360 radar coverage. xD

Edited August 5, 2016 by microvax

[BodyOrgan]

Somehow not sorry since it only had half its armament the last week.

Tell me how you really feel. :wub:

[microvax]

Tell me how you really feel. :wub:

 

:megalol::megalol::megalol::megalol: :DD

 

 

And the CCIP pipper is also broken, no A/G pipper for the guns, no launch warnings etc. etc. etc.. :DD So yeah its more banterous then really breaking. :D

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

I wonder if the Mirage will ever not be broken.

I'd say the same about the Hawk.....

 

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[Frostie]

I'm jealous of all the fun you guys are having, would love to find the time and get in to help my Red comrades out but it seems they have everything under control.

[bolek]

The subject of rookie pilots using up valuable slots (like the only Mi-8 at Beslan) has been brought up before several times by both sides. So, I would like to ask for some direction here. I am not a rookie by the dictionary definition since I have been flying DCS for about 3 years now, but because of lack of time I never had any real training and my pilot skills are below average at best (mediocre really, compared to what I see on BF). So, for all practical purposes I count as a rookie.

 

I fly for Red and my favorites are Su-27, Su-25T and Ka-50. All of these get me killed quickly and I often loose all fighter/atack lives well before the next lives restart. So that leaves me with either the GCI slot (which I do occasionally even though I am not good at it and I sense people's frustration, though most are polite about it) or the Mi-8. I actually just started learning Mi-8 because of BF, so here I really am a rookie. Also, I usually only have time to fly when Red numbers are in single digits, so any pilot counts (or would count, if they were any good). I am normally on both TS and SRS. I try to help with missions as best as I can but in reality there is probably greater than 50% chance that I will die and jeopardize the mission. Sometimes I go on my own just not to interfere with the important plan because of that. But mostly I try to work with the team, though I feel being constantly limited by my skills and don't want to be a problem for the more experienced players.

 

Is BlueFlag really not for me?

 

Thanks

[roccoo]

The subject of rookie pilots using up valuable slots (like the only Mi-8 at Beslan) has been brought up before several times by both sides. So, I would like to ask for some direction here. I am not a rookie by the dictionary definition since I have been flying DCS for about 3 years now, but because of lack of time I never had any real training and my pilot skills are below average at best (mediocre really, compared to what I see on BF). So, for all practical purposes I count as a rookie.

 

I fly for Red and my favorites are Su-27, Su-25T and Ka-50. All of these get me killed quickly and I often loose all fighter/atack lives well before the next lives restart. So that leaves me with either the GCI slot (which I do occasionally even though I am not good at it and I sense people's frustration, though most are polite about it) or the Mi-8. I actually just started learning Mi-8 because of BF, so here I really am a rookie. Also, I usually only have time to fly when Red numbers are in single digits, so any pilot counts (or would count, if they were any good). I am normally on both TS and SRS. I try to help with missions as best as I can but in reality there is probably greater than 50% chance that I will die and jeopardize the mission. Sometimes I go on my own just not to interfere with the important plan because of that. But mostly I try to work with the team, though I feel being constantly limited by my skills and don't want to be a problem for the more experienced players.

 

Is BlueFlag really not for me?

 

Thanks

 

If you're red, then blue flag definitely IS for you, comrade! :D Consider that being red means you learn 100% faster because of the outnumbering, so don't worry, before the end of the round you'll certainly become a blue flag pro. It just takes a little patience and practice, it's all about situational awareness.

Oh and by the way I've only been in the first few days but you were doing great, I didn't think you were a rookie at all.

 

Anyway, seriously the Beslan mi-8 slot hasn't been fixed? Then please do the same on blue side, 1 uh-1 in Sochi and we're even.

Edited August 5, 2016 by roccoo