DRM = no sale

[will-]

Don't use steam to play dcs. You'll just complain more.

[MTFDarkEagle]

Don't use steam to play dcs. You'll just complain more.

What he said. Use DCS straight from ED.

Only many years ago the DRM used was a PITA. Now, since DCS integrated A-10C and Black Shark (that sort of time region) the Starforce DRM works fine, at least on my end.

[SkateZilla]

Starforce Proactive DRM is Non intrusive, and does not install any drivers etc.

 

It Generates a Hardware ID Based on your Current Hardware, You Enter your License key, and it binds it to that Hardware ID.

 

Information is stored in the registry.

[rrohde]

Just a fun side note - I plugged in an external drive and my phone via USB cable, and then the DRM for the DCS MiG-21 complained that my PC has changed sufficiently enough to require another activation. I guess it all depends on whose DRM it is... No other DCS modules had that issue... :)

[cichlidfan]

Just a fun side note - I plugged in an external drive and my phone via USB cable, and then the DRM for the DCS MiG-21 complained that my PC has changed sufficiently enough to require another activation. I guess it all depends on whose DRM it is... No other DCS modules had that issue... :)

 

The Mig-21 seems to be very sensitive to just about everything. It uses, apparently, a bizarre implementation of Starforce.

[gavagai]

Ignoring the personal attack

 

Oxymoron is not a personal attack. It is a noun for a term or phrase that contains a contradiction, e.g. "a deafening a silence." Your preference for Steam and dislike of DRM is not an oxymoron, technically, but it does seem like a double standard.;)

[Flagrum]

Oxymoron is not a personal attack. It is a noun for a term or phrase that contains a contradiction, e.g. "a deafening a silence." Your preference for Steam and dislike of DRM is not an oxymoron, technically, but it does seem like a double standard.;)

But the way it was spelled could be interpreted as one, though. :o)

But I am pretty sure, it was not meant that way.

[MikeMikeJuliet]

Sorry for the slight deviation for the topic, but those of you who do not use the steam version... please stop trying to convert people to use the standalone. I know, I know "easier, hassle free, updates earlier, bakes bread and makes your coffee". Given how simple Steam is to use (my OPINION) this is mostly a matter of personal preference than it is anything else.

 

If it is DRM we are worried about here (that is, DRM in excess of Steam): Do not worry. TheDRM, i.e. "the occational serial number check" is not going to break anything, and the key itself is stored on steam if you ever need it. This not UBISOFT we are talking about here these days. I know their DRM could have easily developed a sentience and start WW3...

 

Regards,

MikeMikeJuliet

[SkateZilla]

I believe the reference to Bad DRM was to the early days of Starforce, where it was intrusive, installed a driver to control the Optical Drives and IDE Ports, and if it felt like it, it would brick your IDE Channels, and in most cases require a Fresh Wipe and re-install of Windows.

 

was in no way limited to Ubisoft.

[SkateZilla]

Just a fun side note - I plugged in an external drive and my phone via USB cable, and then the DRM for the DCS MiG-21 complained that my PC has changed sufficiently enough to require another activation. I guess it all depends on whose DRM it is... No other DCS modules had that issue... :)

 

The MiG-21's integration of Starforce is finicky and extremely picky, yeah.

[Socket7]

The most soul crushing part of DRM for me is the the sheer volume of serial numbers I have to enter because I own so many modules.

 

I don't think I've ever uninstalled a single module correctly. I've been through 2 computers and 2 OS formats on each and they all still have 6 activations left...

 

I'm not worried. :music_whistling:

[Socket7]

I believe the reference to Bad DRM was to the early days of Starforce, where it was intrusive, installed a driver to control the Optical Drives and IDE Ports, and if it felt like it, it would brick your IDE Channels, and in most cases require a Fresh Wipe and re-install of Windows.

 

was in no way limited to Ubisoft.

 

In the very early days of DRM, when it was a lot easier for programmers to screw with critical parts of the windows OS, DRM devs thought it would be clever to piggyback their crap on critical parts of the infrastructure. For example, inserting itself into the windows TCP/IP stack. Then the user uninstalls the game, the DRM is buggy and doesn't restore the TCP/IP stack, and you have no more internet, and it's nearly impossible to fix without a format. I remember a specific DRM issue like this. I know there were others as well.

 

The public didn't like this much. Microsoft didn't either, because their OS got flack too.

 

DRM doesn't do that anymore. It's against policy, and microsoft doesn't let them get their meathooks in there anyway. In fact, the last time I remember hearing about a game destroying a bunch of computers, it was EVE Online, because they typoed a line of their installer. and installed the games boot.ini to C:\ (Why they used boot.ini as a config file, the world will never know.)

[aairon]

But the way it was spelled could be interpreted as one, though. :o)

But I am pretty sure, it was not meant that way.

There's only one way to spell Oxymoron it has one clear meaning that can't be misinterpreted.

 

 

1. a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g., faith unfaithful kept him falsely true ).
   

It's only ignorance that allows it to be misconstrued.

 

No look it up, ignorance is NOT an insult.

[NineLine]

Not sure what the goal of the OP was, but not seeing much point to continuing this discussion. I know of no changes to how ED handles this right now.