Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 9

[firmek]

:thumbup:

No, please no. There are planty of all planes vs all planes servers out there.

[*Rage*]

Because I have zero desire to fly inferior aircraft...:pilotfly:

 

Nothing to worry about then. Stand up and salute the flag son!

[M460]

No, please no. There are planty of all planes vs all planes servers out there.

 

Then why does Bluefor have the Mi-8 and Su-25t. you can do well with the huey for sure.

[BSS_Sniper]

TS is a crutch. Period. What you say should happen is exactly right...What Actually happens is just the opposite.

 

 

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. TS is a crutch?

[D4n]

Because I have zero desire to fly inferior aircraft...:pilotfly:

 

Lol a F-15 armed with Sparrows vs MiG-29S armed with a 27T, a 27R and 4x R-73... MiG-29S clearly wins... Or does F-15 already have AIM-9X is DCS? No? Ooooooh what a pitty... :megalol:

[mia389]

No, please no. There are planty of all planes vs all planes servers out there.

 

Don't complain about number imbalance then.

[Sierra99]

Soooooooooooooooooooooooo,

 

Its pretty cool to be in a multi player server flying a DCS level Aircraft with limited lives...Competing against FC3 level aircraft (Su-33) with unlimited lives and weapons...

 

Seriously I'm done with Blue Flag until you'all un-stack the deck.

[simo1000rr]

Soooooooooooooooooooooooo,

 

Its pretty cool to be in a multi player server flying a DCS level Aircraft with limited lives...Competing against FC3 level aircraft (Su-33) with unlimited lives and weapons...

 

Seriously I'm done with Blue Flag until you'all un-stack the deck.

 

Aside from what server you like to play or what air frame you wish to fly , But its really annoying when people diss the FC3 aircraft just because it has no clickable cockpit or because the work load is flushed out compared to other DCS level aircraft ( clickable ) . well the work load of course is much higher when you are preparing for take off lets say in M2000 compared to F15 , but once you are in the fight the work load should be the same if you know how to use your HOTAS .

 

bottom line is an FC3 aircraft is no difference to clickable aircraft once you are in the air and into a fight ( im not talking about weapon , im talking about working the system and using ur Hotas and Keyboard) .

 

Edit : typo mistake

[D4n]

Very very good point!

[BSS_Sniper]

Soooooooooooooooooooooooo,

 

Its pretty cool to be in a multi player server flying a DCS level Aircraft with limited lives...Competing against FC3 level aircraft (Su-33) with unlimited lives and weapons...

 

Seriously I'm done with Blue Flag until you'all un-stack the deck.

 

Stacked? Get out of here with that. For a very long time, much, much longer than the Su33 has been in BF, the blue side has been able to reset their lives. I won't get into how it's done but it can be done and people do it. Stack the deck. lol You guys have every ground attack aircraft on top of your being able to reset lives. You, for some reason, probably whining, lol even had to get the Su25 even though you have the A10, can save target coordinates and barely try and still take farps or airfields in minutes. The only side that's stacked with aircraft, lives and people is blue. If you truly think red is stacked because of the Su33, you're doing something wrong.

[Frostie]

But not hitting on the point about lives.

 

I think they should just remove the Su33 completely, make Mirage Blue only, remove troop transport from Gazelle, Huey Blue, Mi8 Red, and make R-27ER available for the 27 and 29. This will address some inbalance issues regarding capability, improve SA for Blue aircraft and be much closer to a true Blue v Red scenario.

[CrashO]

If you truly think red is stacked because of the Su33, you're doing something wrong.

This. The SU-33 doesn't outperform the blue planes. Blue has mirages, Mirages with 530's. 530's I tell you!. Those puppy's can hit you from even further then the ET and ER's can. And they got all the people, all of them, the people, they are all blue. Red needs the SU-33 to make it fair. It can just barely make it against all those overpowered blue things.

 

*Just a recap of the opinions from the last 20 pages bundled into one

 

Just look at this poor poor red player, barely managing to keep up against those pesky outnumbered blue's. They really need it for balance and fairness.

[komemiute]

Hi everyone, I'm a noob and I've been building proficiency in the A-10C and Huey in SP.

Now, I'm not a native english speaker so that usually have me hesitate a lot before finding the courage to join a MP server.

 

But reading about this Server makes me long for trying.

It really feels exciting. :)

 

I think I can drop in eventually.

Name's Komemiute and I hope you'll bear some patience.

 

Thank you for the Server and I apologize in advance for the mayhem I'm afraid I *could* create.

 

:thumbup:

 

EDIT: Is there any breviary for MP comms I should be aware of? (beside the usual basic brevities... I've been playing Falcon 3.0 and 4.0 ;) )

Edited April 3, 2017 by komemiute

[Frostie]

Blue has mirages, Mirages with 530's. 530's I tell you!. Those puppy's can hit you from even further then the ET and ER's can.

Please don't make stuff up, I don't think that has ever been claimed once in the history of these forums.

[CrashO]

Please don't make stuff up, I don't think that has ever been claimed once in the history of these forums.

I don't feel like searching the entire thread for more (go for it if you are bored), but this is one of many:

 

Give them to MiGs at least. And yes, 530D is better.

*Click on it for the context. It was about enabling ER for 29's

 

Although I am already expecting you to start hitting the bashing blocks after this and come at me, claiming this doesn't prove anything. This post is about performance, not range. Clearly I am making stuff up.

Edited April 3, 2017 by CrashO

[Hansdampf]

This. The SU-33 doesn't outperform the blue planes. Blue has mirages, Mirages with 530's. 530's I tell you!. Those puppy's can hit you from even further then the ET and ER's can. And they got all the people, all of them, the people, they are all blue. Red needs the SU-33 to make it fair. It can just barely make it against all those overpowered blue things.

 

*Just a recap of the opinions from the last 20 pages bundled into one

 

Just look at this poor poor red player, barely managing to keep up against those pesky outnumbered blue's. They really need it for balance and fairness.

 

When you play with a 2:1 advantage and one red player in a Su-33 ruins your day… Well, maybe the coordination of your team isn’t half as awesome as you pretend it to be?

 

Anyway, I don’t understand the drama about giving Red 27ERs. We had several rounds in the past where Blue spamrammed the sh.. out of Red. What is so wrong about having one round where Red actually gets some better equipment and is not the inferior underdog?

[Alpenwolf]

Well, well, well and yet another well! Been away for some months now flying anywheres but BF. Had 2-3 flights though in BF in the last couple of days and it's all the same. Players complaining about the same old problems and the server's still got the same old issues. It seems no matter what we post or suggest it WONT change a damn yet maybe it's a way of loosing some perhaps justified frustration. Reading through some posts here it's bloody the same. Some new player comes in here and thinks he might be the first to post something and the rest of the BF players - mostly veterans - would start commenting and/or coming at him. No point in spending most of the time on the BF forum here rather than on the server. Now that ought to mean something, doesn't it?

 

Just saying... get a break or live with it.

 

Don't hate on me BF, I mean it's the plain truth, aint it?

 

S!

[Frostie]

I don't feel like searching the entire thread for more (go for it if you are bored), but this is one of many:

 

 

*Click on it for the context. It was about enabling ER for 29's

 

Although I am already expecting you to start hitting the bashing blocks after this and come at me, claiming this doesn't prove anything. This post is about performance, not range. Clearly I am making stuff up.

 

One guy mentions the words 530D is better. He doesn't state what so how does that sum up an entire thread.

 

The fact is it is vastly superior to the R while the ER is only marginally better than the 530D. So why do you have a problem with guys using an ER but you see nothing wrong in yourself using 530 against R-27R, that is double standards.

[BSS_Sniper]

But not hitting on the point about lives.

 

I think they should just remove the Su33 completely, make Mirage Blue only, remove troop transport from Gazelle, Huey Blue, Mi8 Red, and make R-27ER available for the 27 and 29. This will address some inbalance issues regarding capability, improve SA for Blue aircraft and be much closer to a true Blue v Red scenario.

 

 

 

I absolutely agree. I HATE that we are using a lot of the same aircraft on both sides. It's getting closer and closer to just being one of those more arcade servers with the same exact aircraft to choose from on both sides. The one thing I don't mind too much is that the transport helis are on both since its already hard to find people to do that mission and limiting one or the other to one side makes it even worse. I'd still be fine however, having the huey on blue and the mi8 on red.

[firmek]

I absolutely agree. I HATE that we are using a lot of the same aircraft on both sides. It's getting closer and closer to just being one of those more arcade servers with the same exact aircraft to choose from on both sides. The one thing I don't mind too much is that the transport helis are on both since its already hard to find people to do that mission and limiting one or the other to one side makes it even worse. I'd still be fine however, having the huey on blue and the mi8 on red.

Fully agree :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

As for helicopters, there are also always the numbers that could be played on with. Just make the most of RED slots to be Mi-8 with few Hueys and opposite for BLUE.

[Oceandar]

Please CrashO, I dare you to play on the Red side next round and don't forget to bring your whole Reaper Squad. After that I'd listen what you say about balance. :D

[lemoen]

I also agree with not having the same planes on the same sides, but, the mission will need to be changed (later this year). At the moment, Blue kinda has a lot of the nicer modules on the way. The Hornet and Harrier is going to be really effective at taking out SAMs, for instance. So you can give them to Blue and remove the SU25 from Blue. But then you'll have loads of people who want to be blue just to be able to use those two. What then? Give Mirage to Red only, SA-10 / 11 / 15 to Red? To get people to go red maybe give them the Tomcat (and not to Blue) ;-)

 

Could open up an interesting scenario, where the balance is is looked at holistically, not in terms of air-to-air performance only.

[lemoen]

Please CrashO, I dare you to play on the Red side next round and don't forget to bring your whole Reaper Squad. After that I'd listen what you say about balance. :D

 

At the moment the outcome is most strongly correlated to the side RVE chooses. A biggish squad that works together religiously. Think about it.

[Oceandar]

Its not the point. My point is you can't really comment about balance until you've played on both side. If I'm not mistaken, I haven't seen Reaper squad played on Red side.

See what RVE guys post about balance in the previous post. Those are more valid than someone who has only ever play on blue side only....I'm sorry to say

[Focha]

You guys all miss the point... It's fun to have differences. Sometimes I choose blue, other red.

The only thing that I don't like in Blue Flag is that helicopters takes a lot of time to reach objectives (making it impossible, sometimes to get back to base before mission restarts), and sometimes, I don't quite fully understand why, I get picked out by enemy in a deep valley, when I was flying NoE all the time.

Also it is a bit more difficult to attack with the Su-25T than with an A-10C, but I am experiencing with the Viggen.

I suggested that the fleet could move, so you could spawn helicopters closer to costal objectives and also have the ability to deploy one FARP in the wild, that would make more sense for helicopters.

FARPs should exist as they are now, capture-able. They should be replaced by towns/cities.

Commander then could deploy FARPs closer to the enemy front.

Just an ideia because it's a pain being an helicopter guy in BlueFlag.

 

 

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