fitness88 Posted November 19, 2016 Posted November 19, 2016 I've looked but couldn't find a comparison list that breaks down the differences between: Mig-29s Mig-29a Mig-29g Thank you.
Sweep Posted November 19, 2016 Posted November 19, 2016 29A is the stock fulcrum with no jammer, pretty crappy radar, all the typical A/A and A/G stuff (R-27s, R-73, R-60, 80mm rockets, dumb bombs, cluster bombs, maybe dispensers and illumination bombs, dont' remember) 29S has a better radar (multi target track), internal ECM (inferior to other FC3 birds), R-77 capability, slightly more internal fuel. 29G is a 29A slightly downgraded, limited to R-27Rs only (no T/ET/ER) for BVR. it uses feet/knots for the displays EXCEPT for target range, that's still in KM. Limited to rockets only for air to ground. Don't think there are any differences in the radar besides the fact that target speed/alt are in knots/feet. Lord of Salt
Seaeagle Posted November 19, 2016 Posted November 19, 2016 I've looked but couldn't find a comparison list that breaks down the differences between: Mig-29s Mig-29a Mig-29g Thank you. Real or in game?
Pronin Posted November 20, 2016 Posted November 20, 2016 Sweeper basically summed it up. Worth mentioning, the MiG-29A and MiG-29G have updated external models. They look amazing. The MiG-29S is still stuck with the old school model and looks pretty bad when next to other aircraft. MiG-29S external model, as well as the PFM (Professional Flight Model) is all in the works. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
fitness88 Posted November 20, 2016 Author Posted November 20, 2016 As for speed and maneuvering do they all match up?...thanks.
Sweep Posted November 20, 2016 Posted November 20, 2016 As for speed and maneuvering do they all match up?...thanks. Just about, yeah, why not. Same bird aerodynamically, same engines. The S is slightly heavier, typically, so keep that in mind. Lord of Salt
JazonXD Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 Real or in game? Is there a large disparity between real life capabilities compared to in game? AMD 5600X -- Gigabyte RTX 3070 Vision -- 32GB 3600MHz DDR4 -- HP Reverb G2 -- Logitech 3D Extreme Pro -- Thrustmaster TWCS BRRRT! Car and aviation enthusiast, gun nut and computer nerd!
Seaeagle Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 Is there a large disparity between real life capabilities compared to in game? Well I don't have the latest game version, so I don't know how the MiG-29 versions are simulated currently. Thats why I asked whether the topic concerned this specifically or/and the real aircraft. :)
=Thrust= Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 Less powered engine for the A made for germany air force in real life.
Rabb Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 Less powered anything for G model in real life... Read about military export ("monkey") models.
Rabb Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 And even those export, so called monkey models, were more than competitive: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how-to-win-in-a-dogfight-stories-from-a-pilot-who-flew-1682723379 An excellent read, really. Pilot's life story... amazing.
Basher54321 Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 Confusing but pretty sure the MiG-29G had the same RD-33 engines - however the East Germans ran them in the detuned Limited Power Mode a lot of the time to preserve life time. The RD-33s had 3 different modes that could be set by ground crew.
Seaeagle Posted November 22, 2016 Posted November 22, 2016 The "MiG-29G" is a modification based on the export version for the Warsaw Pact countries, which aside from a few minor details, was all but identical to the full spec Soviet 9.12(for obvious reasons). The "monkey model" is the 9.12B - a lower spec export version for non-warsaw pact countries.
Schmidtfire Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 Oh, I didn't know that. About the monkey model. What was the differences between 9.12A and 9.12B? No archer/HMS?
QuiGon Posted November 23, 2016 Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) wiki says: 9.12A is the downgraded export version for Warsaw Pact while the 9.12B is the downgraded export version for non-Warsaw Pact nations. It lacks a nuclear weapon delivery system and has initial production radar, ECM and IFF (no ECM and IFF in 9.12B). Edited November 23, 2016 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
proletariat23 Posted March 18, 2017 Posted March 18, 2017 You can only use the s in campaign right? You can't change it?
Hadwell Posted March 18, 2017 Posted March 18, 2017 for all intents and purposes, disregarding real life.... in DCS the mig-29S has TWS2, a better radar over all and can use R-77 missiles, so is really the best one of the three... I often take the A just for the novelty of killing people who wouldn't know how to play without the aim-120, but then i also take the mig-21 for that reason... My youtube channel Remember: the fun is in the fight, not the kill, so say NO! to the AIM-120. System specs:ROG Maximus XI Hero, Intel I9 9900K, 32GB 3200MHz ram, EVGA 1080ti FTW3, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB NVME, 27" Samsung SA350 1080p, 27" BenQ GW2765HT 1440p, ASUS ROG PG278Q 1440p G-SYNC Controls: Saitekt rudder pedals,Virpil MongoosT50 throttle, warBRD base, CM2 stick, TrackIR 5+pro clip, WMR VR headset. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Crew Dog Posted March 18, 2017 Posted March 18, 2017 You can only use the s in campaign right? You can't change it? As it stands, yes. The MiG-29S is the stock airframe for the Fulcrum campaign. You can change it to an A model through ME. FENRIR http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzO1zVdbcIJPsKXqYl3Vvaw No KC-10 in DCS? Thank goodness for small miracles! Intel i5 4690K OC to 4.0, Corsair CX850M PSU, 16GB Patriot Viper @ 1866MHz, EVGA GTX 1060 SC, Samsung EVO 250GB SSD, Saitek X-55, Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals, Delanclip
Knock-Knock Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 And even those export, so called monkey models, were more than competitive: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how-to-win-in-a-dogfight-stories-from-a-pilot-who-flew-1682723379 An excellent read, really. Pilot's life story... amazing. That was an amazing article, thank you for the link, Rabb :thumbup: - Jack of many DCS modules, master of none. - Personal wishlist: F-15A, F-4S Phantom II, JAS 39A Gripen, SAAB 35 Draken, F-104 Starfighter, Panavia Tornado IDS. | Windows 11 | i5-12400 | 64Gb DDR4 | RTX 3080 | 2x M.2 | 27" 1440p | Rift CV1 | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS | MFG Crosswind pedals |
Volator Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 Less powered engine for the A made for germany air force in real life. Less powered anything for G model in real life... Read about military export ("monkey") models. Quite a lot of misconceptions about the MiG-29 and its use in Germany here. The in-game MiG-29A is the standard 9-12 model, not downgraded or anything for export. It was made for the Soviet Air Force and also used by the East German Air Force. Note, the East German Air Force did not get the downgraded export variant 9-12A, they got the real stuff! These MiG-29s were later taken over by the German Air Force after the reunification of East and West Germany. Their avionics were modified to western NATO standard and their engines downgraded for longer life time. This is the in-game MiG-29G. The in-game MiG-29S is the 9-13 model. It was already described in this thread: Better radar, ECM, ARH missiles capability. It was only used by the Soviet Air Force and probably by some follow-up states as well, and there were only a hundred or so built. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven
Seaeagle Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 Quite a lot of misconceptions about the MiG-29 and its use in Germany here. The in-game MiG-29A is the standard 9-12 model, not downgraded or anything for export. It was made for the Soviet Air Force and also used by the East German Air Force. Note, the East German Air Force did not get the downgraded export variant 9-12A, they got the real stuff! Not quite right - the East German airforce did get an export variant, but it was the one for Warsaw Pact countries and as such practically identical to the Soviet version. These MiG-29s were later taken over by the German Air Force after the reunification of East and West Germany. Their avionics were modified to western NATO standard and their engines downgraded for longer life time. This is the in-game MiG-29G. Yes thats right. The downgraded version was called 9.12B and was exported to non-warsaw pact nations such as Yugoslavia, Iraq and Cuba. Hungary(although part of the Warsaw Pact) also got this version, but not until 1993(i.e. after the Warsaw Pact was dissolved) as part of debt settlement between Russia and Hungary. The in-game MiG-29S is the 9-13 model. It was already described in this thread: Better radar, ECM, ARH missiles capability. It was only used by the Soviet Air Force and probably by some follow-up states as well, and there were only a hundred or so built. You are mixing up two different variants there: MiG-29 (9.13) is from 1987 and has the ECM and wingtank capability, but has the same radar and weapon capability as the 9.12. It was not exported, but with the break-up of the Soviet Union, some former Soviet states(such as Ukraine and Moldova) inherited some of them. MiG-29S (9.13S) is from around 1992 and is the same as the above, but has a modified radar(N019M) and R-77 capability. Since this variant only came about after the break-up of the Soviet Union, only Russia has it(presumably - not much is known about it). So the in-game MiG-29S is the 9.13S model.
Volator Posted March 19, 2017 Posted March 19, 2017 Not quite right - the East German airforce did get an export variant, but it was the one for Warsaw Pact countries and as such practically identical to the Soviet version. Ok, that's what I wanted to bring across. East Germany did not get any downgraded version, as some claimed. As for the 9-13S, thanks for specifying this. 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven
Seaeagle Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 Ok, that's what I wanted to bring across. East Germany did not get any downgraded version, as some claimed. Yes you are right - I was just nitpicking on this :) . As for the 9-13S, thanks for specifying this. The 9.13 and 9.13S are often being mixed up and I can easily see why - from the Soviet side both the 9.12 and 9.13 were simply called "MiG-29" without any suffix to separate them, while NATO assigned the "Fulcrum C" reporting name to both the 9.13 and 9.13S.
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