Dear GOD WE NEED THIS for DCS!!!!!

[Gladman]

sorry for being rude. Why I think it is crap (and will remain so)? First of all, main problem of VR is not going away, because it has nothing to do with technology per se, since it is inherent problem. VR is after certain time (varies for individuals of course), causing nausea, because VR is incapable of delivering information, which our brain needs to process the picture which is coming through the eyes. It is not tactile, it provides no clue about distance of the objects, nor is providing any refrence points brain needs to create spatial orientation. Just like when human finds itself in zero gravity for longer period. It takes some time to adjust to the fact, that reference points are floating and it that there is no up or down as reference point. But, after some time almost everybody adjusts - and here comes another but - the space (meaning the interior of space vehicle or station) is real with real coordinates and real objects. So eye and brain are able to find some fix points for orientation. VR, regardless how good, will never be able to do that.

 

Lol. That doesn't make VR crap, that makes it a ongoing process which is currently providing the absolutely most "real" experience there is. My biggest fear with posts such as yours is that you will promote a false reality that will deny people the amazing experiences available in VR. A cockpit can be created around you that would provide the real objects you are looking for. Obviously it would be specific to individual aircraft but most of the time items such as landing gear handles, throttles, and joysticks are in the same place. I know myself, the presence of the body makes a rather impressive addition to immersion. Couple that with properly placed HOTAS and the experience is nothing short of amazing.

[SageOT]

Not sure what VR you have been in recently but your argument is a little off. The one thing VR does over a monitor is provide depth and give your brain and eyes the ability to judge distance in a 3D environment vs a 2d screen.

[dali]

whatever, you can put a jordan on your head and pretend to be in a plane, whatever makes you happy :D

[JunMcKill]

If I not mistaken - Bohemia Interactive is that type of the companies who turns awesome ideas in to shit.

From "Flashpoint" to "Take on Helicopter".

 

I think you are talking in the first case about Codemasters, who have the Flashpoint franchise, in fact Bohemia interactive brought to life the ARMA series with no equal in the infantry level!

[cichlidfan]

The one thing VR does over a monitor is provide depth and give your brain and eyes the ability to judge distance in a 3D environment vs a 2d screen.

 

Indeed. Flying a helo in VR is amazing. The first time I did it was on my newly setup, and incorrectly configured, rig. The helo went sideways and headed right for the ground. The impression, in my mind, of heading for the dirt was amazing. I actually had the feeling that I was going to get hurt on impact. Even with my 4k monitor I don't get that feeling.

[Ratcatcher]

sorry for being rude. Why I think it is crap (and will remain so)? .

 

Very strong opinions you have there, I have to ask... have you actually tried flying DCS in VR?

 

Because your points seem way off of the reality ( no pun intended...) of using it.

 

People are different, so I can't say how it makes you feel, but for me, I don't get nauseous flying now. I did a bit to start, but then upgraded my PC. I also found other types of games more motion sickness inducing, like driving games.

 

VR gives great depth perception and as others have said, I really couldn't go back to 2d monitors now ( and just for the record, I used to fly with a multi screen setup ) and that plus a touch screen monitor using HELIOS, etc still doesn't even come close to the feeling VR gives.

[cichlidfan]

That is the only thing I hate about VR. I spent both money and time getting a touch screen with Helios into my setup and with VR it is useless.

[Torso]

sorry for being rude. Why I think it is crap (and will remain so)? First of all, main problem of VR is not going away, because it has nothing to do with technology per se, since it is inherent problem. VR is after certain time (varies for individuals of course), causing nausea..etc.

 

I am sorry but you are speaking broadly and applying this across the board and that is just plain wrong to do. I have tons of hrs in VR, have had both systems since day one launch. Never used one before. Not once have I felt nauseous. I know several others who are new and now heavy users, same for them. Really, there are people that get seasick, and many that don't. There are those that get carsick and many that don't. There are people who get airsick and many that don't. VR can be quick to trigger those that are susceptible to those other motion/brain conflict issues but you imply EVERYONE is going to feel these negative, technology stopping effects..at some point if you use it long enough. That is just plain wrong. Just like the ones who claimed that for all the above causes for negative reactions in a minority.

[Gladman]

whatever, you can put a jordan on your head and pretend to be in a plane, whatever makes you happy :D

 

I have no idea what this means.

[Chief1942]

Admittidly, I have not tried VR as yet. I am one who tends to stay away from first iteration types of tech and wait for the various issues to be ironed out before I jump onboard. And I must say that just reading some of the pros and cons of VR here on DCSW forums has only re-inforced that position. And then there are articles like this one: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/12/post-vr-sadness/511232/

 

Tends to make one wonder if those currently using the technology are real guinea pigs as regards the long term effects of VR. Pretty obvious if one cuts through the marketing hype, that even those developing the technology do not fully understand or appreciate the potential long term pshycological/physiological effects of VR. Like cell phones, that have been around and in common use far longer than VR, they are discovering potential harms from overuse of those devices only now. Hasn't been fully substantiated as yet, I would admit, but why not err on the side of caution? I'll wait awhile longer, thanks. Sure do like the concept however, as so many here are really enjoying it.

[Kev2go]

If I not mistaken - Bohemia Interactive is that type of the companies who turns awesome ideas in to shit.

From "Flashpoint" to "Take on Helicopter".

 

 

[BlackLion213]

whatever, you can put a jordan on your head and pretend to be in a plane, whatever makes you happy :D

 

So why are you sitting in front of a screen and pretending to be in a plane?

 

-Nick

[Haukka81]

Just dont feed troll :)

 

 

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[Gladman]

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/12/post-vr-sadness/511232/

 

I read the article. Basically if you have a mental condition don't use VR. If your a person that needs a safe place or are a SJW, don't use VR.

 

However, if you realize there is a potential for nausea brought on by virtually the same effect riding a roller coaster has and are willing to deal with it, carry on.

 

Not a good article.

[dali]

So why are you sitting in front of a screen and pretending to be in a plane?

 

-Nick

 

I just expressed my concerns. BTW, I used to fly real jets in the military and I still do so from time to time in my brother's warbird jet. So I'm not your typical armchair pilot :)

 

sorry if some people have been offended, I'm not trolling.

 

BlackLion, I'm not pretending I'm fully aware that I'm sitting in front a rather large monitor and not in the aircraft, VR is just not the suspension of disbelief strong enough to help me immerse into the flight. Other things are, some are actually very difficult to achieve, and have nothing to do with graphics...

 

besides being an active pilot I also run simulation division in our company, so again, I'm not trolling, rather speaking from experience. My own, that's why it is my opinion and it may not fit everybody.

[Abburo]

If I not mistaken - Bohemia Interactive is that type of the companies who turns awesome ideas in to shit.

From "Flashpoint" to "Take on Helicopter".

 

BI is one of the best in this moment, and its Arma3 is on Top10 games on Steam. Reffering to flashpoint and TakeOnHelicopters might mean you did not opened your PC since some time ago :).

 

Eagle Dynamics, Bohemia Interactive, Laminar Research, eSimGames are currently that type of companies we have to encourage to evolve, hoping maybe that some day they will even work together... who knows. But even if they will work on their best bets we still have to encourage them.

 

Otherwise you can go to EA, Ubisoft and so on ... these are not creating anymore... they are just reworking and remarketing things (gret marketing BTW).

[BlackLion213]

BlackLion, I'm not pretending I'm fully aware that I'm sitting in front a rather large monitor and not in the aircraft

 

simulation

 

[sim-yuh-ley-shuh n]

 

2. the act or process of pretending; feigning.

 

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/simulation

 

I just expressed my concerns. BTW, I used to fly real jets in the military and I still do so from time to time in my brother's warbird jet. So I'm not your typical armchair pilot

 

So what is DCS for in your case? I'm pretty sure you are like the rest of us - someone who takes an interest in flying?

 

sorry if some people have been offended, I'm not trolling.

 

Well, you didn't offer a real opinion - just an indiscriminate insult. What is the purpose of that?

 

It's perfectly fair to say you don't like VR or it doesn't offer what you need. That makes perfect sense to me and people tend to like different things. I also don't believe that I am flying in VR, but I find it more fun than a monitor.

 

However, statements like yours add nothing to the argument and are seemingly intended to stir up people's emotions. Hence....it certainly looks like trolling.

 

VR is total crap.

 

whatever, you can put a jordan on your head and pretend to be in a plane, whatever makes you happy

 

We can at least agree that statements like these serve no purpose in polite conversation...right?

 

-Nick

[dali]

you sure have too much time on your hands....have a nice day and merry xmas

[BlackLion213]

have a nice day and merry xmas

 

Same to you. :)

 

-Nick